Has anybody done topics on County Routes, unsigned Freeways and Auto Trails?

Started by bing101, January 04, 2014, 10:37:49 AM

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bing101

Criteria for Freeways, Expressways and Rural highways without state,US route and Interstate Route shields


1 The Freeway was not built by the State Built but by city, county and Private Toll authorities.

2 The Freeway was originally built by the state but was forced to give up its interstate, state and US Route Designation due to a court order (Sam Cooper Blvd in Memphis.) and hand it over to state or city. Or because of state budget cuts.

3 the freeway did not meet strict interstate, US Route or state route standards.

4 the Freeway/highway was located entirely in certain properties IE Airport, Park, Military base, Native American Reservation, National parks, State Forests and Ports

5 Still waiting for state route designation such as Westside parkway in Bakersfield.

6 The Route is a Glorified interchange ramp to other freeways such as hidden CA-244 in Sacramento at the east Business 80 @ I-80 interchange.

7. The Road was grandfathered as an Auto Trail

8. The Road was bypassed.

9. A State loophole permitted certain parkways/Expressways and Freeways to not have a number shield signed.

10. The City or county decided to do a City Expressway system and is not funded by the state


http://www.scvresources.com/highways/socal_unsigned/ Here the rest of the criteria.
Unsigned Freeways in Southern California.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MriF1morfU
Storrow Drive video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA7bthvPV4I
Dallas North Tollway





bing101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcwqlPEDKqM
Desert Inn RD a city owned Expressway in Paradise,NV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsVIv1wNg8
The Expressways are Entirely in the Las Vegas Airport

http://www.bakersfieldfreeways.us/project_westside_parkway.html
Still waiting for State route designation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l73QKDFVAY
Las Vegas CC-215 Expressway is funded by the county.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFc1s1DAYBA
Sam Cooper Blvd was Intended as I-40 But due to a court Order The State of Tennessee was ordered to give it to the City of Memphis.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_trail
The precursor to US or state routes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_highway
the overview of county routes.

hotdogPi

Lowell Connector (northeast Massachusetts): 3 miles, currently no number.

Everett Turnpike (southern New Hampshire): Some of it is US 3, but some of it is unnumbered.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 53, 79, 107, 109, 126, 138, 141, 159
NH 27, 78, 111A(E); CA 90; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32, 320; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, WA 202; QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 36

NE2

pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

dgolub

In Westchester County, NY, there are a few parkways that are county-maintained, and one of them even has a county route number:

Bronx Parkway
http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nypark/bronx

Playland Parkway
http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nypark/playland

Central Westchester Parkway (CR 150)
http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/west/cr150

Also, Suffolk County has a number of county routes are large divided highways with high speed limits and a high percentage of interchanges grade-separated.  They may not quite qualify as freeways, but they come very close to meeting the definition:

Nicolls Road (CR 97)
http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/suffolk/cr97

William Floyd Parkway (CR 46)
http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/suffolk/cr46

Cross River Drive (CR 105)
http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/suffolk/cr105

NE2

Smallest government that maintains freeways: Reedy Creek Improvement District?
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

oscar

Alaska has two unnumbered freeways, one including parts of Minnesota Dr. and O'Malley Rd. in Anchorage, the other part of the Johansen Expressway in Fairbanks.  Both kind of come in under #9 above, only it's not really a "loophole" -- in Alaska, almost all state-maintained roads, and all other roads, have no route numbers, including some roads more significant than the two unnumbered freeways (which really are just overgrown city streets).
my Hot Springs and Highways pages, with links to my roads sites:
http://www.alaskaroads.com/home.html

hubcity


Alps

JFK Drive in Bloomfield, NJ, has one quasi-freeway section with median barrier, grade separation, and a half-diamond interchange, though I'm not sure it lasts long enough to count.

bing101

I forgot a few things JFK Expressway in New York is a freeway owned by the airport and Sea-Tac Expressway is another freeway owned by the airport thats why there are no route shield number attached to it.

Scratch number 11.

bing101

A few more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg2ivJ2GWDs

Freeways inside Walt Disney WOrld,
Geary Expressway San Francisco
Pseudo-Freeway San Jose Avenue in San Francisco
Air Base Parkway (City Expressway in Fairfield,CA)
Suisun Parkway (City Expressway in Fairfield ,CA)
County Routes E-14, E-2, E-3 in Sacramento all County designated  expressways
County Route G series aka (Santa Clara County Expressways)
and Richmond Parkway (City Expressway in Richmond, CA was intended as CA-93)

oscar

Kinda coming in under #1 (freeways built/maintained by Federal agencies), all in the Washington D.C. area:

Dulles Airport Access Road (Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority)
George Washington Memorial Parkway (National Park Service)
Clara Barton Parkway (NPS)
part of the Suitland Parkway (NPS)

VDOT assigns route inventory numbers to the first two, at least for traffic count purposes.  But they're unposted, and I'd argue they aren't real route numbers in any case, especially since VDOT doesn't own or control those roads. 
my Hot Springs and Highways pages, with links to my roads sites:
http://www.alaskaroads.com/home.html

mrsman

I believe that the topic is asking for freeways that are not signed as Interstate, US, or state highways.

Many of the parkways in the New York area are full freeways as far as restricting cross traffic and having no traffic lights, but they disallow trucks.  Roads like the Grand Central Parkway and the Hutchison River Parkway are freeways in that sense, but they have a restriction on trucks. 

With the OP's link to SCVResources, I take exception to the list provided in the link.  Sepulveda Blvd may be a mini-freeway in the LAX area, but it's definitely signed as CA-1, albeit may not be signed that well.

froggie

Also related to what Oscar posted is the Rock Creek Pkwy (NPS).  Part of North Capitol St in DC, from Michigan Ave north to Hawaii Ave NE, would also qualify.

In Virginia, the Dulles Greenway (VA 267 west of VA 28) and VA 895 fall under #1 (privately built toll roads).

In the Twin Cities area, what is now MN 62 and the part of US 169 from Shakopee to Osseo were county-built freeways (CSAH 62 and CSAH 18, respectively).  CSAH = County State Aid Highway...a state aid road but officially a county route for all other purposes.

Also in the Twin Cities area, Hennepin CSAH 9, Scott CSAH 18, Scott CSAH 21, and Dakota CSAH 42 all have at-grade expressway segments.

Shepard Rd/Warner Rd in St. Paul, MN are also non-state-built/maintained at-grade expressways.

Part of the All-American Expressway in Fayetteville, NC serving Fort Bragg and an extension of I-185 near Columbus, GA serving Fort Benning fall under #4.

Glumack Dr, serving Minneapolis-St. Paul Int'l Airport, also falls under #4.

mhh

The Davison Freeway in Detroit and Highland Park, Michigan used to fit in category 1. It was opened in 1942 as a county freeway and didn't acquire a state highway number until 1993 when it was uploaded to the state and rebuilt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-8_(Michigan_highway)

Two Canadian freeways also come to mind although they technically don't fit in this thread since they're, well, Canadian. The Gardiner Expressway (actually a freeway despite the name) is a municipal freeway in Toronto and has no number, although a portion of it was once part of the provincial Queen Elizabeth Way until it was downloaded in 1997. It would be partly in category 1 and partly in category 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gardiner_Expressway The E. C. Row Expressway in Windsor, Ontario (also a freeway despite the name) would be in caterogy 2. It was a provincial freeway until it was download in 1997; now it's a numberless municipal freeway too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._C._Row_Expressway

dgolub

Quote from: mrsman on January 05, 2014, 08:31:24 AM
I believe that the topic is asking for freeways that are not signed as Interstate, US, or state highways.

Many of the parkways in the New York area are full freeways as far as restricting cross traffic and having no traffic lights, but they disallow trucks.  Roads like the Grand Central Parkway and the Hutchison River Parkway are freeways in that sense, but they have a restriction on trucks. 

By those criteria almost all of the New York parkways would qualify, as well as the Milford Parkway in Connecticut and the Palisades Parkway, the Garden State Parkway, the Atlantic City Expressway, and the southern section of the New Jersey Turnpike in New Jersey.  However, these are all unsigned state routes or reference routes, so I'm not sure if they'd qualify.

wxfree

Some Houston-area freeways are toll roads built by county toll authorities, and I believe none of those have highway numbers.  They're technically county roads.

All DFW-area toll roads, except the one inside DFW Airport, are built by NTTA, a regional tollway tollway authority which is a political subdivision, legally the same type of thing as a city or county, but with no taxing power and authority only over the roads and other property it owns.  They are not state highways (although I think the Sam Rayburn Tollway goes back to TxDOT after 50, at which time it may become SH 121).  Regional mobility authorities are also political subdivisions, with toll roads in the Austin, Tyler, and Brownsville areas.  The ones in the Tyler and Brownsville areas are signed state highways; the ones in the Austin area are not.

The freeway through DFW Airport is a different kind of toll road, with charges based on how long the vehicle spent inside the airport.  Spur 97 ends at the airport boundary, and the road in the airport, International Parkway, is unnumbered.  This road has some neat overpasses where airplanes go over the road.

All of the non-state built unnumbered freeways I know of in my area are toll roads.  There are unnumbered turnpikes in Oklahoma, but I think they're all state-built, by OTA.
I'd like to buy a vowel, Alex.  What is E?

All roads lead away from Rome.

NE2

pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

hbelkins

Tisdale Expressway in Tulsa? It has logo signage but I don't know if it has a secret number like the Kentucky parkways or not.
Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

wxfree

Quote from: NE2 on January 05, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
What does this have to do with auto trails?

The description includes "rural highways" without shield numbers, and the criterion number 7 includes auto trails.  Because of criterion 8 my interpretation is that old, bypassed through roads that weren't recognized auto trails and still exist as rural highways are also included in the topic, the title of which also includes "County Routes."

We seem to have focused on freeways and expressways.  Part of the Bankhead Highway still exists around Weatherford, Texas.  Part of it is even called Bankhead Drive.  I think Millsap Road and Old Millsap Highway were also parts, as well as FM 3028, which is disqualified due to having a state number.

Under criterion 8, I'd include Johnson County Road 1206 south of Rio Vista, Texas.  This is part of the old Cleburne-Whitney Road that was the through road before SH 353 (currently SH 174) was built.  Also, Bosque County Road 2700 between Eulogy and Walnut Springs was once SH 174.  This one doesn't quite fit under 2 or 8, as it wasn't bypassed, but the highway was rerouted far away.  Somervell County Roads 312 and 407 were once part of US 67, as well as FM 200 in between.  I often drive that way and avoid the newer highway.
I'd like to buy a vowel, Alex.  What is E?

All roads lead away from Rome.

agentsteel53

Bakersfield also has the Alfred Harrell Highway.  Watt Ave in Sacramento is a full freeway with grade separations for a mile or so north of US-50.
live from sunny San Diego.

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bing101

OK I have driven on Rural Roads without a route shield

Lake Herman Rd in the Vallejo/Benicia Area They are counted as city streets.

Rockville Rd is a Rural Highway but counted as a city Street in Fairfield, CA (According to Google Maps) Its Co signed with Lincoln Highway

Suisun Valley Rd (Rural Highway North of Solano Community College) in Fairfield,CA and its counted as Lincoln Highway too aka Historical US-40( But Its a city street .)



Lopes Rd from Fairfield to Benicia is a rural road that parallels I-680 Solano County segment.

I've Been to Columbus Parkway in Vallejo back in the 1990's when it was a rural highway but was counted as a City Street. But in 2000's on It was renovated to be an Arterial or Expressway owned by Vallejo.


US Routes that became Decommissioned and given to the cities
CA-141 (Benicia rd) Was a state highway but was given up to the cities of Vallejo, Benicia and Solano County as a city street.

But AAroads and CA Highways has it as Curtola Parkway, Mare Island Way and Wilson Ave. Its a Locally Funded Street

US-40 in Vallejo was on Broadway Street before it was moved to I-80
Now signed as a Historical route.

bing101

Quote from: dgolub on January 05, 2014, 11:14:20 AM
Quote from: mrsman on January 05, 2014, 08:31:24 AM
I believe that the topic is asking for freeways that are not signed as Interstate, US, or state highways.

Many of the parkways in the New York area are full freeways as far as restricting cross traffic and having no traffic lights, but they disallow trucks.  Roads like the Grand Central Parkway and the Hutchison River Parkway are freeways in that sense, but they have a restriction on trucks. 

By those criteria almost all of the New York parkways would qualify, as well as the Milford Parkway in Connecticut and the Palisades Parkway, the Garden State Parkway, the Atlantic City Expressway, and the southern section of the New Jersey Turnpike in New Jersey.  However, these are all unsigned state routes or reference routes, so I'm not sure if they'd qualify.

Well I know FDR Drive is a State Route (Freeway) for New York but does not have a route number and I classify them as (9. State Law having a loophole that permits certain State funded Routes to not have a Route Number)

roadfro

Comments on some Nevada examples mentioned previously:

Quote from: bing101 on January 04, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcwqlPEDKqM
Desert Inn RD a city owned Expressway in Paradise,NV

The Desert Inn Road segment in question was built and is maintained by Clark County, Nevada–the actual city limits of Las Vegas are north of here. (Paradise is the unincorporated township the road is located in, along with McCarran Airport and most of the Las Vegas Strip.)

Originally constructed and known as "the Desert Inn Superarterial", the route is only about 2 miles long. It has one half-interchange eastbound, and one set of "ramps" on the west end, but otherwise has only RIRO intersections and commercial driveways. However, it is the only road providing non-stop access between the west and east sides of I-15 and the Las Vegas Strip (passing over I-15 and under Las Vegas Blvd). When the Strip is closed to vehicular traffic on New Year's Eve, the DI Arterial is the only way to cross from one side to the other anywhere along the closure.

Quote from: bing101 on January 04, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsVIv1wNg8
The Expressways are Entirely in the Las Vegas Airport

The access to McCarran Airport is seemingly expressway in nature, especially when considering all the ramps. Parts of this are actually considered arterial streets. The freeway section leading between the south end of the airport access roadway network is a combination of the tunnels underneath the airport runways (built and maintained by Clark County) and the unsigned Nevada State Route 171 connection to the I-215 beltway.

Quote from: bing101 on January 04, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l73QKDFVAY
Las Vegas CC-215 Expressway is funded by the county.

The Las Vegas Beltway is funded primarily by Clark County. However, the interchanges with I-15 and I-515/US 93/US 95 were partially funded by NDOT–NDOT actually currently maintains two separate two-mile segments of I-215 freeway near these interchanges, which were segments partially funded by NDOT at initial construction. All the rest of I-215/CC 215 freeway and expressway segments are completely county built and maintained.

It's worth noting that once the entire beltway is constructed to Interstate standards, the County is expected to turn ownership over to NDOT.




One not mentioned in the Las Vegas area: Summerlin Parkway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerlin_Parkway

This is a full-fledged freeway in western Las Vegas connecting US 95 to CC 215. The original portion was constructed by the developers of the Summerlin master planned community. Subsequent expansions and interchanges have been funded by the City of Las Vegas and the Regional Transportation Commission of Southern Nevada, but I believe ownership and maintenance responsibility lies with the City.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

bing101

Quote from: roadfro on January 05, 2014, 08:26:23 PM
Comments on some Nevada examples mentioned previously:

Quote from: bing101 on January 04, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcwqlPEDKqM
Desert Inn RD a city owned Expressway in Paradise,NV

The Desert Inn Road segment in question was built and is maintained by Clark County, Nevada–the actual city limits of Las Vegas are north of here. (Paradise is the unincorporated township the road is located in, along with McCarran Airport and most of the Las Vegas Strip.)

Originally constructed and known as "the Desert Inn Superarterial", the route is only about 2 miles long. It has one half-interchange eastbound, and one set of "ramps" on the west end, but otherwise has only RIRO intersections and commercial driveways. However, it is the only road providing non-stop access between the west and east sides of I-15 and the Las Vegas Strip (passing over I-15 and under Las Vegas Blvd). When the Strip is closed to vehicular traffic on New Year's Eve, the DI Arterial is the only way to cross from one side to the other anywhere along the closure.

Quote from: bing101 on January 04, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSsVIv1wNg8
The Expressways are Entirely in the Las Vegas Airport

The access to McCarran Airport is seemingly expressway in nature, especially when considering all the ramps. Parts of this are actually considered arterial streets. The freeway section leading between the south end of the airport access roadway network is a combination of the tunnels underneath the airport runways (built and maintained by Clark County) and the unsigned Nevada State Route 171 connection to the I-215 beltway.

Quote from: bing101 on January 04, 2014, 10:46:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l73QKDFVAY
Las Vegas CC-215 Expressway is funded by the county.

The Las Vegas Beltway is funded primarily by Clark County. However, the interchanges with I-15 and I-515/US 93/US 95 were partially funded by NDOT–NDOT actually currently maintains two separate two-mile segments of I-215 freeway near these interchanges, which were segments partially funded by NDOT at initial construction. All the rest of I-215/CC 215 freeway and expressway segments are completely county built and maintained.

It's worth noting that once the entire beltway is constructed to Interstate standards, the County is expected to turn ownership over to NDOT.




One not mentioned in the Las Vegas area: Summerlin Parkway
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summerlin_Parkway

This is a full-fledged freeway in western Las Vegas connecting US 95 to CC 215. The original portion was constructed by the developers of the Summerlin master planned community. Subsequent expansions and interchanges have been funded by the City of Las Vegas and the Regional Transportation Commission of Southern Nevada, but I believe ownership and maintenance responsibility lies with the City.

Thank you about Summerlin Parkway I never knew about that one But thats worth looking at.



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