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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2014, 12:27:06 PM »

More than a rumor, it's 395 on PATP's website. I don't know where the 395/295 switchover would be - at 195 or at 1.
I would assume that it would be at I-195 (having it change at another Interstate interchange would make more sense).  I know that the current I-95/295 handoff being at US 1 predated the full completion of the I-195/295/NJ 29 interchange; but I'm not 100% sure whether the shifted I-95/295 hand-off circa 1993 predated I-295 being extended southward towards I-195 (it used to end at one of the interchanges south of US 1).

Nonetheless, having the I-395/295 handoff at US 1 would mean that no mile markers/exit numbers on the Jersey side would need to change at all.  Whether or not, that's NJDOT's intent is not currently known.

What was the reason for NOT extending I-295 west/south of US-1 in N.J. all the way down to I-276? That would seem like the most logical solution without having to introduce additional confusing route numbers.

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The reasoning behind AASHTO's 2007 change was likely due to having I-295 in NJ run north-south and the PA part (current I-95) running south-north.  While there are examples of 3dis changing directions at state lines (and even in-state along full-loop beltways); those changes typically involve a north-south becoming an east-west road first prior to changing to a reverse south-north route.  Such was not the case in the NJ I-95/295 scenario; plus the NJ-stretch of highway in question was more east-west rather than north-south if one uses the PA State line and the I-195/295/NJ 29 interchange as reference points.

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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #76 on: December 15, 2014, 12:50:51 PM »

I know that the current I-95/295 handoff being at US 1 predated the full completion of the I-195/295/NJ 29 interchange; but I'm not 100% sure whether the shifted I-95/295 hand-off circa 1993 predated I-295 being extended southward towards I-195 (it used to end at one of the interchanges south of US 1).


I-295 ended at Kuser Road (which is not a current interchange on the highway), when I moved to the area, which was 1987.  Extension south to I-195 occurred at the same time as the temporary connection with I-295, which was early 1990s, but I am not sure the exact year.  I am pretty sure it predated the change in hand-off of I-95 and I-295, though.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #77 on: December 15, 2014, 12:52:26 PM »

In April 2013 it was I-195: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAPMAY2013_lg.jpg
By September 2014 it had changed to I-395: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAP_Sept2014_lg.jpg
I think this is pretty good evidence that Pennsylvania's changed their mind.

Now let's see if they decide to change the number again in the next 5 years!
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #78 on: December 15, 2014, 06:19:19 PM »

In April 2013 it was I-195: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAPMAY2013_lg.jpg
By September 2014 it had changed to I-395: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAP_Sept2014_lg.jpg
I think this is pretty good evidence that Pennsylvania's changed their mind.

Now let's see if they decide to change the number again in the next 5 years!

I could see PA signing it as I-395 and NJ just extending I-295 to the bridge. That would make the most sense and reduce the directional changes.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #79 on: December 15, 2014, 06:54:57 PM »

In April 2013 it was I-195: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAPMAY2013_lg.jpg
By September 2014 it had changed to I-395: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAP_Sept2014_lg.jpg
I think this is pretty good evidence that Pennsylvania's changed their mind.

Now let's see if they decide to change the number again in the next 5 years!

I could see PA signing it as I-395 and NJ just extending I-295 to the bridge. That would make the most sense and reduce the directional changes.
It would not make the most sense. Replacing I-95 with I-395 would be the easiest, and people are already used to a route number changeover at US 1. Extending 395 down to 195/295 is the only other option that makes any sense to me.

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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #80 on: December 15, 2014, 11:05:18 PM »

I-395 makes most sense to me
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #81 on: December 16, 2014, 08:48:10 AM »

Assuming 95 will become 395...I would like to see 395 wrap around to I-295's Exit 60, just for the cool 195/295/395 interchange effect.  But 395 from the PA Turnpike to US 1 in NJ would work just as well. 
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #82 on: December 16, 2014, 01:30:07 PM »

In April 2013 it was I-195: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAPMAY2013_lg.jpg
By September 2014 it had changed to I-395: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAP_Sept2014_lg.jpg
I think this is pretty good evidence that Pennsylvania's changed their mind.
Now let's see if they decide to change the number again in the next 5 years!
I could see PA signing it as I-395 and NJ just extending I-295 to the bridge. That would make the most sense and reduce the directional changes.
It would not make the most sense. Replacing I-95 with I-395 would be the easiest, and people are already used to a route number changeover at US 1. Extending 395 down to 195/295 is the only other option that makes any sense to me.
agreed. also, it would be the least expensive in terms of resigning - only the shields need to be replaced.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #83 on: December 16, 2014, 08:11:35 PM »

In April 2013 it was I-195: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAPMAY2013_lg.jpg
By September 2014 it had changed to I-395: http://www.paturnpikei95.com/images/STAGEMAP_Sept2014_lg.jpg
I think this is pretty good evidence that Pennsylvania's changed their mind.
Now let's see if they decide to change the number again in the next 5 years!
I could see PA signing it as I-395 and NJ just extending I-295 to the bridge. That would make the most sense and reduce the directional changes.
It would not make the most sense. Replacing I-95 with I-395 would be the easiest, and people are already used to a route number changeover at US 1. Extending 395 down to 195/295 is the only other option that makes any sense to me.
agreed. also, it would be the least expensive in terms of resigning - only the shields need to be replaced.

In NJ maybe, but in PA, we'll have to change the exit numbers on former I-95.

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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #84 on: December 17, 2014, 08:25:42 AM »

In NJ maybe, but in PA, we'll have to change the exit numbers on former I-95.
I believe that's an automatic given.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #85 on: December 17, 2014, 02:48:51 PM »

Either PA will have to renumber, or they'll be lazy and just have the mileage/exit numbers start around 41 (not forbidden by the MUTCD).  Either way, it's not affected by whatever the new number will be.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #86 on: December 17, 2014, 05:07:09 PM »

be lazy and just have the mileage/exit numbers start around 41 (not forbidden by the MUTCD).
it would also be consistent with the behavior at the I-76/I-276 split.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #87 on: December 17, 2014, 06:52:18 PM »

be lazy and just have the mileage/exit numbers start around 41 (not forbidden by the MUTCD).
it would also be consistent with the behavior at the I-76/I-276 split.
The I-76/I-276 issue, in my opinion, is a different matter.  The continuation of exit numbers on I-276 is a continuation of Turnpike exits, not I-76 exits (though they are on the same mileposting convention up to Valley Forge).  This is (likely) to minimize confusion of exit numbers on the toll tickets, especially when they were sequential.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #88 on: December 17, 2014, 07:05:10 PM »

While I-276 is indeed due to the Pennsylvania Turnpike, the rule is not a "toll road exception", but rather a loophole out of the fact that it never states that numbers need to begin with 0.  And, let's be honest: this is PennDOT we're talking about.

FYI, I don't have a feeling one way or the other about what they might do.  I'm simply trying to raise a different view to the "the road is guaranteed be renumbered" perspective.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2014, 07:21:31 PM »

While I-276 is indeed due to the Pennsylvania Turnpike, the rule is not a "toll road exception", but rather a loophole out of the fact that it never states that numbers need to begin with 0.  And, let's be honest: this is PennDOT we're talking about.

Then why did PennDOT take the time to renumber I-279 when it was shortened.  I would have had no problem if they had left the numbers as-is on the remaining segment of the highway.

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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2015, 09:35:26 AM »

I don't see the reasoning for making it I-395 as it's not a spur.  It's one continuous road morphing into another.  It's like the i-395 to I-290 debacle in CT/MA.  It should be an even as it connects two interstates as stated above.

and will I-276 and i-95 be multiplexed from the new flyovers to the NJ Tpke?
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2015, 10:37:02 AM »

It's already one continuous road morphing into another. In a vacuum, keeping it I-295 would be the best solution, but if they want to keep the same mileage and exit numbers, at least in NJ, that wouldn't fly (neither would 195 for that matter). As for why it's odd, I imagine that has something to do with all even x95s being taken in neighboring New York.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2015, 03:06:43 PM »

and will I-276 and i-95 be multiplexed from the new flyovers to the NJ Tpke?

No, 276 will end at 95. It never did actually enter New Jersey (Google Maps is wrong in showing it doing so), and it's only now being acknowledged on the NJTP with the new signage.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2015, 11:57:48 PM »

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Where is existing 195 going to be renumbered? It currently ends at 295; under this plan 295 is going to be terminated at that exit and the remainder of 295 and then 95 beyond US 1 are going to be renumbered. Unless I missed something.
take a look at my post from a couple months ago on this thread. I came up with a list of exits based on milage when I-95 becomes I-195, if, that is.  The exit numbers have to change if the route is being renumbered.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #94 on: February 19, 2015, 01:26:16 PM »

So once this is complete, will 95's control cities in PA north of Philly be updated to New York, or will they remain as Trenton, since it is going in that general direction?
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #95 on: February 19, 2015, 01:28:57 PM »

So once this is complete, will 95's control cities in PA north of Philly be updated to New York, or will they remain as Trenton, since it is going in that general direction?

From the visualizations, New York will be signed on I-95 through the new interchange, and Trenton will be signed on I-195/395/Whatever PennDOT decides to number the old I-95 segment.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #96 on: February 20, 2015, 12:47:16 AM »

So once this is complete, will 95's control cities in PA north of Philly be updated to New York, or will they remain as Trenton, since it is going in that general direction?

From the visualizations, New York will be signed on I-95 through the new interchange, and Trenton will be signed on I-195/395/Whatever PennDOT decides to number the old I-95 segment.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #97 on: February 20, 2015, 10:24:25 AM »

So once this is complete, will 95's control cities in PA north of Philly be updated to New York, or will they remain as Trenton, since it is going in that general direction?

From the visualizations, New York will be signed on I-95 through the new interchange, and Trenton will be signed on I-195/395/Whatever PennDOT decides to number the old I-95 segment.
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #98 on: February 20, 2015, 10:46:02 AM »

I-366?
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Re: I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange
« Reply #99 on: February 20, 2015, 10:47:45 AM »

I-366?

New Jersey nor Pennsylvania would allow a road to have an 85 MPH speed limit.
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