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theroadwayone

How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?


famartin

Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.

Beltway

Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?
Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
How quickly are they expected to build an interchange (or at least ramps for the two major quadrants)?

It was just designated as I-95 in 2018.
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famartin

Quote from: Beltway on December 03, 2018, 09:03:27 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?
Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
How quickly are they expected to build an interchange (or at least ramps for the two major quadrants)?

It was just designated as I-95 in 2018.

Its not happening.  Probably ever. Certainly I'm not aware of any plans for it.  Neither agency desires it.

PHLBOS

Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
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bzakharin

Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
I don't know about most people, but when I need to gt from 95 to 295 there, it's to go south not north. Not to mention, where would you be going on 295 if you came from PA and are exiting at exit 7 or 7A?

PHLBOS

Quote from: bzakharin on December 04, 2018, 09:05:52 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
I don't know about most people, but when I need to gt from 95 to 295 there, it's to go south not north. Not to mention, where would you be going on 295 if you came from PA and are exiting at exit 7 or 7A?
Prior to the new connection opening; I used Exit 7A & 7 (prior to the 1994 completion of I-295) on my numerous trips to/from New England over the span of at least 27 years.
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famartin

Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
It does, but a 95/295 link would be the most direct and I suspect it would suck a decent amount of trafffic from 7 and a bit more from 7A. But if you are the NJTA, you don't want to lose the money, and if you are NJDOT, you don't want the added congestion and increased maintenance costs.

PHLBOS

Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
It does, but a 95/295 link would be the most direct and I suspect it would suck a decent amount of trafffic from 7 and a bit more from 7A. But if you are the NJTA, you don't want to lose the money, and if you are NJDOT, you don't want the added congestion and increased maintenance costs.
For traffic coming to and from the north, a direct connection w/I-295 near Exit 6 would actually translate into more revenue for the NJTA than if such are currently using Exits 7 or 7A to get to I-295.  Not to mention the corresponding drop in thru-traffic to and from the north along I-295 between MM 53.3 (where I-295 crosses over I-95) and Exits 56 (US 206/NJ 68) or Exit 60 (I-195/NJ 29).
GPS does NOT equal GOD

famartin

Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
It does, but a 95/295 link would be the most direct and I suspect it would suck a decent amount of trafffic from 7 and a bit more from 7A. But if you are the NJTA, you don't want to lose the money, and if you are NJDOT, you don't want the added congestion and increased maintenance costs.
For traffic coming to and from the north, a direct connection w/I-295 near Exit 6 would actually translate into more revenue for the NJTA than if such are currently using Exits 7 or 7A to get to I-295.  Not to mention the corresponding drop in thru-traffic to and from the north along I-295 between MM 53.3 (where I-295 crosses over I-95) and Exits 56 (US 206/NJ 68) or Exit 60 (I-195/NJ 29).
While true, I think the reasoning is the traffic south of there that would be further encouraged to bypass the turnpike via 295... a longer stretch of road and greater revenue loss, I suspect

PHLBOS

Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
It does, but a 95/295 link would be the most direct and I suspect it would suck a decent amount of trafffic from 7 and a bit more from 7A. But if you are the NJTA, you don't want to lose the money, and if you are NJDOT, you don't want the added congestion and increased maintenance costs.
For traffic coming to and from the north, a direct connection w/I-295 near Exit 6 would actually translate into more revenue for the NJTA than if such are currently using Exits 7 or 7A to get to I-295.  Not to mention the corresponding drop in thru-traffic to and from the north along I-295 between MM 53.3 (where I-295 crosses over I-95) and Exits 56 (US 206/NJ 68) or Exit 60 (I-195/NJ 29).
While true, I think the reasoning is the traffic south of there that would be further encouraged to bypass the turnpike via 295... a longer stretch of road and greater revenue loss, I suspect
The way I see it, a direct connection w/I-295 near Exit 6 would mostly be more convenient for traffic to/from North Jersey and beyond; but the trade-off would be higher toll costs for entering/exiting the Turnpike further south.

For traffic coming to/from points south of the Turnpike Connector (I-95) via I-295; a direct connection with the Turnpike Connector only benefits traffic to/from the PA side of the river.  Such was the reasoning why the original Exit 6A partial-interchange w/US 130 was constructed.  All other traffic to/from points south needing to get to/from the mainline NJTP would simply use Exits 56 (US 206/NJ 68) or Exit 60 (I-195/NJ 29) as they're doing now.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

jeffandnicole

Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  My Opinion is it's an economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.

Fixed for you, as you don't know the real reason.

In reality, there's available land, as in land that's mostly used for agriculture reasons (and thus still owned by someone, rather than just available right of way sitting there).  But you also have a major interchange on the NJ/PA Turnpike Connector 3,200 feet to the east from I-295.  And to the west, 1 3/4 miles away is the US 130 interchange.  They are not desired distances to build anther interchange in-between, especially one that'll be a major interstate-interstate interchange when you have to consider where the actual interchange and ramps will be placed, along with the necessary accel and decal lanes.

While you're looking at it as a way for people to shorten their trip on the Turnpike, that's not entirely true.  Many motorists - and especially truckers, enter I-295 from the Burlington/Florence area.  Most of them head north to where they can access the NJ Turnpike at Exit 7 or 7A.  They would more easily be able to access it from this new interchange, which means they'll be spending more time (and money) on the NJ Turnpike.  Same is true for southbound travel - they wouldn't need to exit the Turnpike at 7A or 7 to get to I-295. 

The Turnpike is also going to build interchanges where there's a need.  There are needs up and down the Turnpike where interchanges could be built.  The only 'need' I keep hearing here is because two interstates cross each other.  Due to nearby parallel routes and exits, it's not an urgent issue. 

Roadwarriors79

For travelers on the PA Extension of the NJ Turnpike (I-95 SB), there is still a ground mounted sign that points to I-295 via the US 130 exit. See at 3:18 of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnrU8nD4wc

NJTA seems to be SLOWLY adding or uncovering more I-95 shields, based on some of the roadwaywiz videos I checked out that were posted around Thanksgiving weekend.

PHLBOS

#2413
Quote from: Roadwarriors79 on December 04, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
For travelers on the PA Extension of the NJ Turnpike (I-95 SB), there is still a ground mounted sign that points to I-295 via the US 130 exit. See at 3:18 of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnrU8nD4wc

NJTA seems to be SLOWLY adding or uncovering more I-95 shields, based on some of the roadwaywiz videos I checked out that were posted around Thanksgiving weekend.
See Page 92, Reply #2276 of this thread.  Those updates shown in the video were there before Thanksgiving weekend.  No known additional I-95 shields have been erected anywhere near/along the NJTP since then.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

theroadwayone

Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
It does, but a 95/295 link would be the most direct and I suspect it would suck a decent amount of trafffic from 7 and a bit more from 7A. But if you are the NJTA, you don't want to lose the money, and if you are NJDOT, you don't want the added congestion and increased maintenance costs.
For traffic coming to and from the north, a direct connection w/I-295 near Exit 6 would actually translate into more revenue for the NJTA than if such are currently using Exits 7 or 7A to get to I-295.  Not to mention the corresponding drop in thru-traffic to and from the north along I-295 between MM 53.3 (where I-295 crosses over I-95) and Exits 56 (US 206/NJ 68) or Exit 60 (I-195/NJ 29).
While true, I think the reasoning is the traffic south of there that would be further encouraged to bypass the turnpike via 295... a longer stretch of road and greater revenue loss, I suspect
Why don't they take a page from PA's book and build some EZ-Pass-only "slip ramps" there; one from I-295 north to the turnpike north, and from the turnpike south to I-295 south?

jeffandnicole

Quote from: theroadwayone on December 04, 2018, 06:38:38 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 12:10:16 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 12:01:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on December 04, 2018, 11:37:34 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 09:00:02 AM
Quote from: famartin on December 03, 2018, 08:07:02 PM
Quote from: theroadwayone on December 03, 2018, 07:58:34 PM
How is it now that I-95 and I-295 in NJ cross without an interchange?

Its been suggested that there isn't room for an interchange, but I'm sure that's not really true.  The real reason is the economic one (for the NJTA):  They don't want to further encourage bypassing the mainline by providing a better connection.
Not to mention that such already exists further north with both Exit 7A (I-195) & Exit 7 (US 206/NJ 68).
It does, but a 95/295 link would be the most direct and I suspect it would suck a decent amount of trafffic from 7 and a bit more from 7A. But if you are the NJTA, you don't want to lose the money, and if you are NJDOT, you don't want the added congestion and increased maintenance costs.
For traffic coming to and from the north, a direct connection w/I-295 near Exit 6 would actually translate into more revenue for the NJTA than if such are currently using Exits 7 or 7A to get to I-295.  Not to mention the corresponding drop in thru-traffic to and from the north along I-295 between MM 53.3 (where I-295 crosses over I-95) and Exits 56 (US 206/NJ 68) or Exit 60 (I-195/NJ 29).
While true, I think the reasoning is the traffic south of there that would be further encouraged to bypass the turnpike via 295... a longer stretch of road and greater revenue loss, I suspect
Why don't they take a page from PA's book and build some EZ-Pass-only "slip ramps" there; one from I-295 north to the turnpike north, and from the turnpike south to I-295 south?

This.

Especially near NJ 38 would be good crossover point.

Alps

Just to put this to bed, there is absolutely no discussion by any highway agency that I'm aware of regarding a new Turnpike connection to anything. The last considerations that I've heard anything about are extending NJ 17 (briefly talked about but never seriously considered) or doing something at Interchange 3 (not even talked about as much as 17).

Steve D

Quote from: PHLBOS on December 04, 2018, 02:42:12 PM
Quote from: Roadwarriors79 on December 04, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
For travelers on the PA Extension of the NJ Turnpike (I-95 SB), there is still a ground mounted sign that points to I-295 via the US 130 exit. See at 3:18 of the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJnrU8nD4wc

NJTA seems to be SLOWLY adding or uncovering more I-95 shields, based on some of the roadwaywiz videos I checked out that were posted around Thanksgiving weekend.
See Page 92, Reply #2276 of this thread.  Those updates shown in the video were there before Thanksgiving weekend.  No known additional I-95 shields have been erected anywhere near/along the NJTP since then.

Wow... Noticed the sign in the video for US 13 on the NJ side three miles away!

PHLBOS

Quote from: Steve D on December 05, 2018, 08:54:56 AMWow... Noticed the sign in the video for US 13 on the NJ side three miles away!
IIRC, that sign has been there prior to the AET gantry on the PA side of the bridge was erected.
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artmalk

Quote from: PHLBOS on November 20, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
For a recap, the following pull-through NJTP signs still do not yet have I-95 shields placed on them:
Exits 8A, 8, 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A, north/eastbound only)

Ramp signs beyond the toll plazas that currently do not yet have I-95 shields on them:
Exits 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A).


Sounds like NJTA really is in no hurry to properly sign I-95!

AMLNet49

Quote from: artmalk on December 07, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 20, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
For a recap, the following pull-through NJTP signs still do not yet have I-95 shields placed on them:
Exits 8A, 8, 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A, north/eastbound only)

Ramp signs beyond the toll plazas that currently do not yet have I-95 shields on them:
Exits 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A).


Sounds like NJTA really is in no hurry to properly sign I-95!

I mean they don’t really properly sign I-95 or I-78 on even the most established sections of the Turnpike, and for the last 40 years have been signing the Lincoln Tunnel exit as “NJ 3” instead of “NJ 495”. Maybe in about 2028 there will be I-95 shields from exits 10-6…

Roadsguy

Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: artmalk on December 07, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 20, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
For a recap, the following pull-through NJTP signs still do not yet have I-95 shields placed on them:
Exits 8A, 8, 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A, north/eastbound only)

Ramp signs beyond the toll plazas that currently do not yet have I-95 shields on them:
Exits 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A).


Sounds like NJTA really is in no hurry to properly sign I-95!

I mean they don't really properly sign I-95 or I-78 on even the most established sections of the Turnpike, and for the last 40 years have been signing the Lincoln Tunnel exit as "NJ 3"  instead of "NJ 495" . Maybe in about 2028 there will be I-95 shields from exits 10-6...

They seem to do a good job with signing the routes where they have MUTCD signage, but they're in no hurry to update the rest it seems.
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AMLNet49

Quote from: Roadsguy on December 07, 2018, 11:44:54 AM
Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: artmalk on December 07, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 20, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
For a recap, the following pull-through NJTP signs still do not yet have I-95 shields placed on them:
Exits 8A, 8, 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A, north/eastbound only)

Ramp signs beyond the toll plazas that currently do not yet have I-95 shields on them:
Exits 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A).


Sounds like NJTA really is in no hurry to properly sign I-95!

I mean they don’t really properly sign I-95 or I-78 on even the most established sections of the Turnpike, and for the last 40 years have been signing the Lincoln Tunnel exit as “NJ 3” instead of “NJ 495”. Maybe in about 2028 there will be I-95 shields from exits 10-6…

They seem to do a good job with signing the routes where they have MUTCD signage, but they're in no hurry to update the rest it seems.

True but that could indicate that we might never see proper route signage on the Exit 10-6 stretch because that stretch will be the last portion of the turnpike to get MUTCD signage and that’s not happening for 20 years

PHLBOS

Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:47:47 AMTrue but that could indicate that we might never see proper route signage on the Exit 10 8A-6 stretch because that stretch will be the last portion of the turnpike to get MUTCD signage and that's not happening for 20 years
FTFY.  Exits 9 & 10 received MUTCD-style signage, that included I-95 shields on the ramp & pull-through signs, within the last two years.

The dual-carriageway/widening extension project that went from Exits 8A to 6 of several years ago included ramp (except for Exit 7) & pull-through signs that were mostly spaced to accommodate I-95 shields in the foreseeable future.  Hence, the bone of contention here; to date, the majority of those signs haven't had I-95 shields added to them yet.

I stated this before several times in this thread & I will state such again; NJTA had absolutely no excuse not to place I-95 shields north of Exit 7A during that last widening project.  Such would've confined the post-interchange-completion-induced sign mods/retrofits to a smaller region.
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famartin

#2424
Quote from: AMLNet49 on December 07, 2018, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: artmalk on December 07, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 20, 2018, 04:53:17 PM
For a recap, the following pull-through NJTP signs still do not yet have I-95 shields placed on them:
Exits 8A, 8, 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A, north/eastbound only)

Ramp signs beyond the toll plazas that currently do not yet have I-95 shields on them:
Exits 7A, 7 & US 130 (aka Exit 6A).


Sounds like NJTA really is in no hurry to properly sign I-95!

I mean they don't really properly sign I-95 or I-78 on even the most established sections of the Turnpike, and for the last 40 years have been signing the Lincoln Tunnel exit as "NJ 3"  instead of "NJ 495" . Maybe in about 2028 there will be I-95 shields from exits 10-6...

Depends on what you mean by "proper".  If you mean the lack of reassurance signs after entrance ramps, yes for the most part they are missing.  However, pull-through signs north of Exit 8A have been updated thoroughly.  Here's a few pictures I took this past summer going northbound (sorry this post will take up lots of browser window space):












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