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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #575 on: February 11, 2018, 09:12:01 PM »

took a few pics on my cell phone today when driving down Getwell. This is Getwell at future I-269. All the roads are paved and traffic lights are up. Even though not operational. https://www.flickr.com/gp/140140930@N06/5XcrB5
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #576 on: February 12, 2018, 01:30:47 PM »

I-269 mile marker signs are up near the SR-193 exit.

Are they turned to the side like Missouri did with I-49, or are they mounted normally?
Not sure what youíre referring to, but last time I was out there, they had I-269 trailblazers from I-40 all the way to 385.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #577 on: March 04, 2018, 12:57:16 AM »


Took this picture last night at the I-269/SR 385 interchange. Itís good to see this up; however, the other of the really shitty old ones is still in place for now.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #578 on: March 04, 2018, 02:46:19 PM »

Iím confused... does I-269 run from MS 305 to TN 385 or I-40?
I-269 is designated all the way to I-40; however, until TDOT gets off their asses and changes the signs, 269 ends at 385. In a perfect world, the designation and signage would extend all the way to US 51 in Millington.



Following a suggestion above, I checked in at MDOT's traffic advisory web site to get a live view of I-269 via traffic cams.

While there, I noticed that MDOT (perhaps inadvertently) weighs in on the end point of I-269. When I visited, the DMS on I-269 between MS 305 and Red Banks Road was displaying:

I-269
NOW OPEN
TO I-40 IN TN

Makes sense -- MS has more to gain (via both present/future I-269 as well as I-22) than TN, so touting the yet-to-be-signed N-S TN segment of TN 385 as a functional I-269 gives the driver on either of the TN freeways a known-quantity destination in I-40. I'm surprised that there aren't I-40 trailblazers on WB I-22 at or near the 269 junction -- just as I'm pretty certain TDOT won't place I-22 trailblazers at the I-269/TN 385 interchange -- at least in the near term.  Unless more highway-oriented businesses deploy themselves along that N-S stretch, TN has little to gain by directing I-40 traffic to & from I-22.
You hit the nail on the head. The only gain in Tennessee is a lot of transportation companies could move to the Collierville area. With I-269/385 junction having  a lot of land Collierville is zoning for it around that junction. Everything else is Mississippi's to gain. Obviously a ton of traffic will travel I-269 between I-55 and I-22. I-22 is the gateway from the midwest and middle America into the southeast. When that section of I-269 is complete, there will be lots of traffic that wont have to go through non highway city traffic in Memphis anymore. I don't expect much retaill development on I-269 between I-22 and I-40. I-269 between I-55 and I-22 would be another story. Honestly TDOT could probably care less about signing the Tennessee section over, if they didn't have to do so.

gateway from the midwest to the southeast is a bit of a stretch
Is it? Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Oklahoma wanting to get into Birmingham, Atlanta, Florida beaches, exc. Do the google routing.

In the summertime, I-24 near Paducah is chock-full of cars with Kansas and Missouri license plates. I remember one trip where plates from those two states outnumbered Kentucky and Illinois.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #579 on: March 05, 2018, 03:45:36 AM »

Iím confused... does I-269 run from MS 305 to TN 385 or I-40?
I-269 is designated all the way to I-40; however, until TDOT gets off their asses and changes the signs, 269 ends at 385. In a perfect world, the designation and signage would extend all the way to US 51 in Millington.



Following a suggestion above, I checked in at MDOT's traffic advisory web site to get a live view of I-269 via traffic cams.

While there, I noticed that MDOT (perhaps inadvertently) weighs in on the end point of I-269. When I visited, the DMS on I-269 between MS 305 and Red Banks Road was displaying:

I-269
NOW OPEN
TO I-40 IN TN

Makes sense -- MS has more to gain (via both present/future I-269 as well as I-22) than TN, so touting the yet-to-be-signed N-S TN segment of TN 385 as a functional I-269 gives the driver on either of the TN freeways a known-quantity destination in I-40. I'm surprised that there aren't I-40 trailblazers on WB I-22 at or near the 269 junction -- just as I'm pretty certain TDOT won't place I-22 trailblazers at the I-269/TN 385 interchange -- at least in the near term.  Unless more highway-oriented businesses deploy themselves along that N-S stretch, TN has little to gain by directing I-40 traffic to & from I-22.
You hit the nail on the head. The only gain in Tennessee is a lot of transportation companies could move to the Collierville area. With I-269/385 junction having  a lot of land Collierville is zoning for it around that junction. Everything else is Mississippi's to gain. Obviously a ton of traffic will travel I-269 between I-55 and I-22. I-22 is the gateway from the midwest and middle America into the southeast. When that section of I-269 is complete, there will be lots of traffic that wont have to go through non highway city traffic in Memphis anymore. I don't expect much retaill development on I-269 between I-22 and I-40. I-269 between I-55 and I-22 would be another story. Honestly TDOT could probably care less about signing the Tennessee section over, if they didn't have to do so.

gateway from the midwest to the southeast is a bit of a stretch
Is it? Missouri, Kansas, Nebraska, Arkansas, Oklahoma wanting to get into Birmingham, Atlanta, Florida beaches, exc. Do the google routing.

In the summertime, I-24 near Paducah is chock-full of cars with Kansas and Missouri license plates. I remember one trip where plates from those two states outnumbered Kentucky and Illinois.

Funneling traffic from the central Plains states to Nashville and on to the Deep South (and vice-versa) seems to be the main function of I-24 in any case.   I-22 merely augments that by giving areas in the southern Plains region a more direct route to and from the same destinations (Atlanta, Florida). 
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #580 on: March 05, 2018, 07:39:18 AM »


Took this picture last night at the I-269/SR 385 interchange. Itís good to see this up; however, the other of the really shitty old ones is still in place for now.

That sign looks so much better now than it did before!
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #581 on: March 05, 2018, 11:10:48 PM »

Quote from: sparker
Funneling traffic from the central Plains states to Nashville and on to the Deep South (and vice-versa) seems to be the main function of I-24 in any case.   I-22 merely augments that by giving areas in the southern Plains region a more direct route to and from the same destinations (Atlanta, Florida).

I think I-22 has the potential to be a much more important Interstate highway in the Deep South, but that's only if it gets built-out properly -particularly in the Memphis metro area. I'd like to see I-22 extended West along I-269 and across the Mississippi River to connect with I-40 in Arkansas. That would draw quite a bit of long distance I-40 traffic headed to/from places like Atlanta. If I-22 was extended farther Southeast (Opelika; Columbus, GA; Albany, GA) to end at I-75 near Valdosta, GA then it would serve even more Deep South traffic needs as well as long distance traffic coming in and out of Florida. And if we want to bring in the military factor (like proponents of I-14 love to do) Fort Benning is a major Army post next to Columbus, GA and the US Marine Corps Logistics Base (aka Repair Division) is in Albany.

Converting Lamar Avenue (US-78) into a freeway from I-269 to I-240 in Memphis would also be a good thing. But the I-55 Mississippi River crossing in Memphis and its outdated hard turn at Crump Blvd is a choke point. A new I-22 bridge crossing near Tunica would pull some traffic off that portion of I-55.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #582 on: March 06, 2018, 04:29:45 AM »

Quote from: sparker
Funneling traffic from the central Plains states to Nashville and on to the Deep South (and vice-versa) seems to be the main function of I-24 in any case.   I-22 merely augments that by giving areas in the southern Plains region a more direct route to and from the same destinations (Atlanta, Florida).

I think I-22 has the potential to be a much more important Interstate highway in the Deep South, but that's only if it gets built-out properly -particularly in the Memphis metro area. I'd like to see I-22 extended West along I-269 and across the Mississippi River to connect with I-40 in Arkansas. That would draw quite a bit of long distance I-40 traffic headed to/from places like Atlanta. If I-22 was extended farther Southeast (Opelika; Columbus, GA; Albany, GA) to end at I-75 near Valdosta, GA then it would serve even more Deep South traffic needs as well as long distance traffic coming in and out of Florida. And if we want to bring in the military factor (like proponents of I-14 love to do) Fort Benning is a major Army post next to Columbus, GA and the US Marine Corps Logistics Base (aka Repair Division) is in Albany.

Converting Lamar Avenue (US-78) into a freeway from I-269 to I-240 in Memphis would also be a good thing. But the I-55 Mississippi River crossing in Memphis and its outdated hard turn at Crump Blvd is a choke point. A new I-22 bridge crossing near Tunica would pull some traffic off that portion of I-55.

Something tells me that (a) if the Crump situation isn't resolved via the current but seemingly perpetually postponed plans and (b) a "Southern Crossing" near Tunica is deployed, with connections to I-40 somewhere near its multiplex with I-55, that facility could well become a rerouted I-55, with I-69 the sole designation north into downtown Memphis (including an upgraded 55/69/269 interchange).  Don't think too many folks -- locals or travelers, both commercial and other, would really mind the present old I-55 Mississippi River bridge being deleted from the Interstate system (if there was a viable alternative, I certainly wouldn't!).   If not actually deleted, it could be a I-240 extension (again, with I-69 taking over the N-S portion).     
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #583 on: March 06, 2018, 07:43:30 AM »

Quote from: sparker
Funneling traffic from the central Plains states to Nashville and on to the Deep South (and vice-versa) seems to be the main function of I-24 in any case.   I-22 merely augments that by giving areas in the southern Plains region a more direct route to and from the same destinations (Atlanta, Florida).

I think I-22 has the potential to be a much more important Interstate highway in the Deep South, but that's only if it gets built-out properly -particularly in the Memphis metro area. I'd like to see I-22 extended West along I-269 and across the Mississippi River to connect with I-40 in Arkansas. That would draw quite a bit of long distance I-40 traffic headed to/from places like Atlanta. If I-22 was extended farther Southeast (Opelika; Columbus, GA; Albany, GA) to end at I-75 near Valdosta, GA then it would serve even more Deep South traffic needs as well as long distance traffic coming in and out of Florida. And if we want to bring in the military factor (like proponents of I-14 love to do) Fort Benning is a major Army post next to Columbus, GA and the US Marine Corps Logistics Base (aka Repair Division) is in Albany.

Converting Lamar Avenue (US-78) into a freeway from I-269 to I-240 in Memphis would also be a good thing. But the I-55 Mississippi River crossing in Memphis and its outdated hard turn at Crump Blvd is a choke point. A new I-22 bridge crossing near Tunica would pull some traffic off that portion of I-55.

Even if I-22 isn't extended southeast, US 280 would still funnel some Florida-bound traffic to Columbus GA and on to I-75 via US 280, GA 520, and US 82. Still, an interstate would certainly make that route more viable for long-distance traffic.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #584 on: March 06, 2018, 08:48:59 PM »


Took this picture last night at the I-269/SR 385 interchange. Itís good to see this up; however, the other of the really shitty old ones is still in place for now.

This sign is, at most, 3 weeks old.

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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #585 on: March 06, 2018, 10:51:01 PM »

I think I-22 has the potential to be a much more important Interstate highway in the Deep South, but that's only if it gets built-out properly -particularly in the Memphis metro area. I'd like to see I-22 extended West along I-269 and across the Mississippi River to connect with I-40 in Arkansas. That would draw quite a bit of long distance I-40 traffic headed to/from places like Atlanta. If I-22 was extended farther Southeast (Opelika; Columbus, GA; Albany, GA) to end at I-75 near Valdosta, GA then it would serve even more Deep South traffic needs as well as long distance traffic coming in and out of Florida. And if we want to bring in the military factor (like proponents of I-14 love to do) Fort Benning is a major Army post next to Columbus, GA and the US Marine Corps Logistics Base (aka Repair Division) is in Albany.

Agreed, and you're not the only one with that idea.  This fellow's idea extends I-22 east all the way to Brunswick, Georgia at I-95:

http://interstate-dots.blogspot.com/2006/03/interstate-22-extension-phase-i.html

Extending it to the coast also makes it useful as a hurricane evacuation route.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #586 on: March 06, 2018, 11:32:23 PM »

I would prefer the route going toward Valdosta from Albany, hooking into I-75 not far from the Florida border. It would give traffic coming from the Jacksonville area just as direct an Interstate quality route as upgrading GA-520/US-82 to Waycross and going down to Jacksonville via US-1. And it would shave off miles for traffic heading to/from Florida's Turnpike (Orlando, Miami) and I-75 (Tampa Bay area, Naples, etc).

I think GA-520/US-82 does a good enough job as is serving Brunswick, GA traffic, even as a hurricane evacuation route. Not many people live in that area and the visitor capacity on Saint Simons Island, Sea Island and Jekyll Island is somewhat limited (maybe even on purpose since some spots are a bit more exclusive to those with deeper pockets).
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #587 on: March 07, 2018, 12:03:13 AM »

I made a suggestion about that being a future long term plan in the future on the I-22 thread in the "Southeast" section. Another poster said it was fictional as if he was implying that I was on the "Stuff" lol
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #588 on: March 07, 2018, 09:16:17 AM »


Took this picture last night at the I-269/SR 385 interchange. Itís good to see this up; however, the other of the really shitty old ones is still in place for now.

This sign is, at most, 3 weeks old.



And it already sucks. "Jackson MISS"?!?!??? Like, anyone there's going to confuse the capital city of Mississippi with Jackson, Tennessee??  What's wrong with using "Jackson, MS" or just plain "Jackson" (or, if you want dual destinations, "Jackson/New Orleans")??
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« Reply #589 on: March 07, 2018, 06:30:26 PM »

And it already sucks. "Jackson MISS"?!?!??? Like, anyone there's going to confuse the capital city of Mississippi with Jackson, Tennessee??  What's wrong with using "Jackson, MS" or just plain "Jackson" (or, if you want dual destinations, "Jackson/New Orleans")??

It's TDOT policy to post it as "Jackson Miss" (without the grammatically-necessary period, for some reason). You'd think people wouldn't get confused, but since Jackson TN isn't used as a control city for I-40, if you saw a sign that just said "Jackson" you could easily end up going the wrong way - even with the "Miss" it is certainly not an unheard-of situation for people unfamiliar with the region to end up in the "wrong" Jackson.
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« Reply #590 on: March 07, 2018, 08:13:56 PM »

And it already sucks. "Jackson MISS"?!?!??? Like, anyone there's going to confuse the capital city of Mississippi with Jackson, Tennessee??  What's wrong with using "Jackson, MS" or just plain "Jackson" (or, if you want dual destinations, "Jackson/New Orleans")??

It's TDOT policy to post it as "Jackson Miss" (without the grammatically-necessary period, for some reason). You'd think people wouldn't get confused, but since Jackson TN isn't used as a control city for I-40, if you saw a sign that just said "Jackson" you could easily end up going the wrong way - even with the "Miss" it is certainly not an unheard-of situation for people unfamiliar with the region to end up in the "wrong" Jackson.
It should at least say Jackson, MS. The other way is misleading.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #591 on: March 08, 2018, 11:59:31 AM »

And it already sucks. "Jackson MISS"?!?!??? Like, anyone there's going to confuse the capital city of Mississippi with Jackson, Tennessee??  What's wrong with using "Jackson, MS" or just plain "Jackson" (or, if you want dual destinations, "Jackson/New Orleans")??

It's TDOT policy to post it as "Jackson Miss" (without the grammatically-necessary period, for some reason). You'd think people wouldn't get confused, but since Jackson TN isn't used as a control city for I-40, if you saw a sign that just said "Jackson" you could easily end up going the wrong way - even with the "Miss" it is certainly not an unheard-of situation for people unfamiliar with the region to end up in the "wrong" Jackson.
I don't remember TDOT ever using periods.  As long as I can remember I-55 has used "St Louis" as the control city.  AHTD/ARDOT does the same on I-55 in West Memphis.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #592 on: March 08, 2018, 01:54:37 PM »

And it already sucks. "Jackson MISS"?!?!??? Like, anyone there's going to confuse the capital city of Mississippi with Jackson, Tennessee??  What's wrong with using "Jackson, MS" or just plain "Jackson" (or, if you want dual destinations, "Jackson/New Orleans")??

It's TDOT policy to post it as "Jackson Miss" (without the grammatically-necessary period, for some reason). You'd think people wouldn't get confused, but since Jackson TN isn't used as a control city for I-40, if you saw a sign that just said "Jackson" you could easily end up going the wrong way - even with the "Miss" it is certainly not an unheard-of situation for people unfamiliar with the region to end up in the "wrong" Jackson.

And then once you enter MS on I-55 south, the control city becomes Grenada, which I believe is halfway to Jackson.  So Iím curious if I-269 south will have Grenada or Tunica as the control city.
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« Reply #593 on: March 08, 2018, 01:58:25 PM »

And it already sucks. "Jackson MISS"?!?!??? Like, anyone there's going to confuse the capital city of Mississippi with Jackson, Tennessee??  What's wrong with using "Jackson, MS" or just plain "Jackson" (or, if you want dual destinations, "Jackson/New Orleans")??

It's TDOT policy to post it as "Jackson Miss" (without the grammatically-necessary period, for some reason). You'd think people wouldn't get confused, but since Jackson TN isn't used as a control city for I-40, if you saw a sign that just said "Jackson" you could easily end up going the wrong way - even with the "Miss" it is certainly not an unheard-of situation for people unfamiliar with the region to end up in the "wrong" Jackson.

And then once you enter MS on I-55 south, the control city becomes Grenada, which I believe is halfway to Jackson.  So Iím curious if I-269 south will have Grenada or Tunica as the control city.


I believe Grenada is only used for northbound I-55. I believe Jackson is used for southbound traffic.

EDIT: It looks like it used to say something else on I-55 southbound at the I-69 interchange but then it was covered up with Jackson: https://www.google.com/maps/@34.870475,-89.9913836,3a,45.7y,173.89h,108.7t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8Vc0O2lN59LlOOLX291cSQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

EDIT 2: The intersecting routes at some of the interchanges south of I-69 do say Grenada.
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« Reply #594 on: March 09, 2018, 02:15:30 PM »

I never understood why Mississippi chose to use Grenada/McComb as control cities on I-55 instead of Memphis/New Orleans. Louisiana and Tennessee on the other hand have these highways signed as Jackson.
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« Reply #595 on: March 09, 2018, 02:25:50 PM »

I never understood why Mississippi chose to use Grenada/McComb as control cities on I-55 instead of Memphis/New Orleans. Louisiana and Tennessee on the other hand have these highways signed as Jackson.

Probably the same reason that Pennsylvania uses a bunch of little towns along I-80 instead of NYC and Cleveland Youngstown. Trying to promote local towns vs. more distant larger cities.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #596 on: March 09, 2018, 11:21:42 PM »

I never understood why Mississippi chose to use Grenada/McComb as control cities on I-55 instead of Memphis/New Orleans. Louisiana and Tennessee on the other hand have these highways signed as Jackson.

Probably the same reason that Pennsylvania uses a bunch of little towns along I-80 instead of NYC and Cleveland Youngstown. Trying to promote local towns vs. more distant larger cities.

I-55 southbound from Crystal Springs has 3-destination-listing signs most of the way to LA having New Orleans listed last.
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #597 on: March 13, 2018, 08:32:38 PM »

And then once you enter MS on I-55 south, the control city becomes Grenada, which I believe is halfway to Jackson.  So Iím curious if I-269 south will have Grenada or Tunica as the control city.

The signage plans say Tunica.
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« Reply #598 on: March 14, 2018, 12:10:10 AM »

More photos of I-269:


Edit: better quality than the original this time, I-269 at SR 385


New sign at US 70 on ramp to SR 385
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Re: Interstate 269
« Reply #599 on: March 14, 2018, 10:19:00 AM »

I never understood why Mississippi chose to use Grenada/McComb as control cities on I-55 instead of Memphis/New Orleans. Louisiana and Tennessee on the other hand have these highways signed as Jackson.

Probably the same reason that Pennsylvania uses a bunch of little towns along I-80 instead of NYC and Cleveland Youngstown. Trying to promote local towns vs. more distant larger cities.

I-55 southbound from Crystal Springs has 3-destination-listing signs most of the way to LA having New Orleans listed last.

Louisiana uses Hammond as the control city on northbound I-55 from I-10 to I-12, then it uses Jackson from I-12 northward.
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