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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #225 on: August 03, 2018, 04:10:31 AM »

There were pics of the South Mountain Freeway construction, as well as a little freeway photo history of the Phoenix area, in the link below:


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/southwest-valley-traffic/2018/06/21/south-mountain-freeway-metro-phoenix-more-than-halfway-done/707104002/

Honestly, that gallery of old pictures is pretty badass. Some great old stuff there I've never seen before.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #226 on: August 07, 2018, 08:20:13 PM »

About those white on green clearance signs, I did read somewhere that ADOT does use black on yellow for substandard clearances.  Unlike most states which only post signs on substandard clearances, ADOT posts clearances on all bridges.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #227 on: August 09, 2018, 04:08:17 AM »

About those white on green clearance signs, I did read somewhere that ADOT does use black on yellow for substandard clearances.  Unlike most states which only post signs on substandard clearances, ADOT posts clearances on all bridges.

They used to. But I don't think they do anymore. In fact, I believe they actively have removed all clearance signs from overpasses around the state unless its a lower than normal one.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #228 on: August 15, 2018, 12:10:44 PM »

BTW, ADOT has upgraded most of their CCTV cameras in the Phoenix area to HD.  I think the only freeway that hasn't been upgraded yet is the US 60 Superstition Freeway.  I think the first freeway to get HD cameras was the Loop 101 Pima Freeway between the Loop 202 Red Mountain and Cactus.  The most recent to get HD cameras are the Loop 101 Price Freeway and the Loop 101 Pima Freeway between Cactus and Princess.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #229 on: August 16, 2018, 12:01:53 PM »

Paving has started on the Loop 202 mainline (South Mountain Freeway). The first mile of paving is in Laveen, near Elliot Rd. Also upcoming for paving is the east end of the Pecos segment (40th St to 48th St).
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #230 on: August 16, 2018, 12:58:25 PM »

Also looks like the last lingering whiny lawsuit against ADOT got tossed out of Superior Court this morning.  This was a homeowner contesting his HOA's right to sell HOA common grounds to ADOT around 27th Avenue.

Of course, the nutter already has an appeal pending.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #231 on: August 18, 2018, 06:37:06 AM »

One thing I've been curious to see how they handle is the Pecos section and the current Pecos Rd bit. Eventually they have to move traffic elsewhere to construct that part, so do they move traffic onto the mainline freeway somehow? So basically that section is "open" earlier than the whole thing, but in some kind of interim state?
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« Reply #232 on: August 18, 2018, 12:03:27 PM »

One thing I've been curious to see how they handle is the Pecos section and the current Pecos Rd bit. Eventually they have to move traffic elsewhere to construct that part, so do they move traffic onto the mainline freeway somehow? So basically that section is "open" earlier than the whole thing, but in some kind of interim state?

According to this link, they will build as much of the future freeway as possible on the Pecos section. In the final stages, Pecos Rd traffic will be shifted onto the freeway lanes.

https://www.constructionequipmentguide.com/phase-ii-begins-on-177b-south-mountain-freeway/32973
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #233 on: August 29, 2018, 02:00:10 PM »

New drone video showing the first paved section (as well as other progress) of the South Mountain Freeway:

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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #234 on: August 31, 2018, 06:53:52 AM »

Update on Center Segment:



Update on I-10 Papago Segment:

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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #235 on: August 31, 2018, 10:57:15 AM »

The perks of building in a year-round summer climate: year-round construction! Something like this would take 10-15 years in WA.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #236 on: August 31, 2018, 02:26:35 PM »

The perks of building in a year-round summer climate: year-round construction! Something like this would take 10-15 years in WA.

It's not just the topical climate, the political climate in AZ is more favorable to road building as well.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #237 on: August 31, 2018, 06:16:25 PM »

The perks of building in a year-round summer climate: year-round construction! Something like this would take 10-15 years in WA.

It's not just the topical climate, the political climate in AZ is more favorable to road building as well.

Which, of course, is why it's taken over 25 years after approval of the highway sales tax to get the South Mountain Freeway (Loop 202) built.  Gigantic pissing contests between the GRIC, one crooked Phoenix city councilman, and the NIMBYs of the Ahwatukee Foothills area were to blame.  Not exactly a favorable political climate.

And do I have to remind people about how long it took for I-10 to be built between Buckeye and Phoenix?  IIRC, it was over 15 years after the segment that ended at Buckeye was opened.  Thank the Arizona Republic and the Phoenix Forty for a lot of that, along with the original poor design of the section between I-17 and what is now the AZ 51 and 202 splitoffs.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #238 on: August 31, 2018, 06:29:42 PM »

« Last Edit: August 31, 2018, 06:35:31 PM by Roadwarriors79 »
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #239 on: August 31, 2018, 08:38:00 PM »

The perks of building in a year-round summer climate: year-round construction! Something like this would take 10-15 years in WA.

It's not just the topical climate, the political climate in AZ is more favorable to road building as well.

There's not much opposition to freeways here either, but it takes forever to find funding, and even longer to construct.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #240 on: September 14, 2018, 01:41:53 PM »

ADOT has just started testing of the Daktronics color DMS on the eastern part of the Loop 202 SanTan Freeway.  They are currently displaying the "ADOT SIGN TEST" message on three rows.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #241 on: September 19, 2018, 08:29:23 PM »

One thing I've been curious to see how they handle is the Pecos section and the current Pecos Rd bit. Eventually they have to move traffic elsewhere to construct that part, so do they move traffic onto the mainline freeway somehow? So basically that section is "open" earlier than the whole thing, but in some kind of interim state?

Chandler Blvd was extended to the Foothills Reserve neighborhood, the only one that was formerly only accessible via Pecos. So it's reasonable to assume that drivers will have to take Chandler Blvd to get home while work is taking place on Pecos... Or lanes will be narrowed and shifted on Pecos  while the interchanges get built. Probably a combination of both strategies.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #242 on: October 01, 2018, 08:33:03 PM »

Today I saw the new Daktronics color DMS on the Loop 202 SanTan Freeway displaying the Wet Roads Slow Down message (since it was raining this morning). Since these DMS still had the orange Sign Under Test signs mounted to the gantries, I presume they are currently in the System Acceptance Test phase (the testing phase under real world usage).
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #243 on: November 09, 2018, 04:14:42 AM »

From the most recent video by the Youtube channel "SMF Construction Info", it looks like a VMS has already been installed on the South Mountain Freeway despite it most likely being at least another year before it actually opens. It is just past 40th St on what will be the WB lanes. Really interesting to see that installed already despite the fact that the overpass at 32nd St and the underpass at Desert Foothills Parkway aren't even done.

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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #244 on: November 09, 2018, 02:24:53 PM »

From the most recent video by the Youtube channel "SMF Construction Info", it looks like a VMS has already been installed on the South Mountain Freeway despite it most likely being at least another year before it actually opens. It is just past 40th St on what will be the WB lanes. Really interesting to see that installed already despite the fact that the overpass at 32nd St and the underpass at Desert Foothills Parkway aren't even done.


There's more...ADOT is adding an interchange at 32nd Street, but it won't be done until after the freeway opens.

http://www.ahwatukee.com/news/article_062492d2-e2b7-11e8-a1f8-6331e9508931.html
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #245 on: November 09, 2018, 05:54:33 PM »

From the most recent video by the Youtube channel "SMF Construction Info", it looks like a VMS has already been installed on the South Mountain Freeway despite it most likely being at least another year before it actually opens. It is just past 40th St on what will be the WB lanes. Really interesting to see that installed already despite the fact that the overpass at 32nd St and the underpass at Desert Foothills Parkway aren't even done.


I always figured the area around 40th St would be one of the first segments to open. I figure that in some of the freeway alignment, some of the traffic will use future freeway lanes (or frontage roads) in later stages of construction.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #246 on: November 09, 2018, 09:33:32 PM »

Speaking of DMS, I think on the Loop 202 SanTan Freeway there may be a delay with the Daktronics color DMS board testing, since the orange signs on the posts are still up and I haven't seen any messages displayed lately.  Perhaps ADOT ran into an issue during the system acceptance test and its currently attempting to get it fixed.  Normally the system acceptance test lasts one month if there are no major issues.
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Re: Phoenix Area Highways
« Reply #247 on: November 16, 2018, 10:28:25 AM »

Well, I saw one of the new color Daktronics DMS on the Loop 202 SanTan Freeway once again displaying a message apparently about a closure on the US 60.

EDIT: As of this afternoon, the orange "SIGN UNDER TEST" signs on the sides of the gantries have been removed.  I'm guessing they are fully operational now.
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