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froggie

Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2025, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 30, 2025, 07:11:44 PMI'd prefer tunnels being constructed to bridges. However, I understand that neither will be built anywhere.
A combination, like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, might be more likely, to allow mega-ship traffic without the danger of a collapse like the Key Bridge.

According to whom?  Has such infrastructure been proposed across the Sound, or are we in fictional territory?

Didn't Cuomo's study from a handful of years back include a tunnel option?  I recall hearing something about such.


kalvado

Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2025, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 30, 2025, 07:11:44 PMI'd prefer tunnels being constructed to bridges. However, I understand that neither will be built anywhere.
A combination, like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, might be more likely, to allow mega-ship traffic without the danger of a collapse like the Key Bridge.


According to whom?  Has such infrastructure been proposed across the Sound, or are we in fictional territory?
I just mean that if something ever gets built, it may be a combo, for the same reason that the CBBT is.
Are there any big ship routes - or even feasible destinations for future routes - in LI sound?

Rothman

Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2025, 07:48:07 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2025, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 30, 2025, 07:11:44 PMI'd prefer tunnels being constructed to bridges. However, I understand that neither will be built anywhere.
A combination, like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, might be more likely, to allow mega-ship traffic without the danger of a collapse like the Key Bridge.

According to whom?  Has such infrastructure been proposed across the Sound, or are we in fictional territory?

Didn't Cuomo's study from a handful of years back include a tunnel option?  I recall hearing something about such.


Sure, and never forget the submarine ferry a nutty developer proposed some years ago now.  I haven't heard of a bridge-tunnel, though...which doesn't mean there hasn't been one, just haven't heard it.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kalvado

Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2025, 08:54:14 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 01, 2025, 07:48:07 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2025, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 30, 2025, 07:11:44 PMI'd prefer tunnels being constructed to bridges. However, I understand that neither will be built anywhere.
A combination, like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, might be more likely, to allow mega-ship traffic without the danger of a collapse like the Key Bridge.

According to whom?  Has such infrastructure been proposed across the Sound, or are we in fictional territory?

Didn't Cuomo's study from a handful of years back include a tunnel option?  I recall hearing something about such.


Sure, and never forget the submarine ferry a nutty developer proposed some years ago now.  I haven't heard of a bridge-tunnel, though...which doesn't mean there hasn't been one, just haven't heard it.
Proposing something is pretty easy - especially since a few controlled substances are now widely available.
Design and construction are often more complicated.

vdeane

Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2025, 08:54:14 AMsubmarine ferry
Sounds like even the real proposals are in Fictional territory.  Was there a reason for it beyond "it sounds cool"?
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

pderocco

Quote from: kalvado on October 01, 2025, 08:29:16 AM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2025, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 30, 2025, 07:11:44 PMI'd prefer tunnels being constructed to bridges. However, I understand that neither will be built anywhere.
A combination, like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, might be more likely, to allow mega-ship traffic without the danger of a collapse like the Key Bridge.


According to whom?  Has such infrastructure been proposed across the Sound, or are we in fictional territory?
I just mean that if something ever gets built, it may be a combo, for the same reason that the CBBT is.
Are there any big ship routes - or even feasible destinations for future routes - in LI sound?

New Haven has a tanker terminal. The Throgs Neck and Whitestone bridges near the city have high clearances, suggesting the possibility of big ships.

Rothman

Quote from: vdeane on October 01, 2025, 12:50:57 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2025, 08:54:14 AMsubmarine ferry
Sounds like even the real proposals are in Fictional territory.  Was there a reason for it beyond "it sounds cool"?

No.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kalvado

Quote from: pderocco on October 01, 2025, 04:12:08 PM
Quote from: kalvado on October 01, 2025, 08:29:16 AM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2025, 11:36:32 PM
Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 30, 2025, 07:11:44 PMI'd prefer tunnels being constructed to bridges. However, I understand that neither will be built anywhere.
A combination, like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, might be more likely, to allow mega-ship traffic without the danger of a collapse like the Key Bridge.


According to whom?  Has such infrastructure been proposed across the Sound, or are we in fictional territory?
I just mean that if something ever gets built, it may be a combo, for the same reason that the CBBT is.
Are there any big ship routes - or even feasible destinations for future routes - in LI sound?

New Haven has a tanker terminal. The Throgs Neck and Whitestone bridges near the city have high clearances, suggesting the possibility of big ships.
Whitestone bridge has a clearance of 130'.  Bridge across the Hudson river carrying Berkshire bypass  just south of Albany, has 139' clearance,  higher than Whitestone - that is to enable access to a major ocean gateway, The Port of Albany.  That is compared to 190' required by Panamax ships. 139' looks ok for Seawaymax,  but that's not a "big ship" league. Same with New Heaven port planning to increase channel depth from 35' to 42'.
Overall, looks like whatever happens in LI sound would have to be as high above water as Tappan Zee bridges (both old and new) to fit the system. Nothing extreme.

 

Roadgeek Adam

A bridge/tunnel idea, tied with a 4th jetport was rejected outright by the Port Authority in 1969. But yes, it has been proposed before.
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The Ghostbuster

You would see Star Trek-like "Beam us up, Scotty!" teleporters built before a bridge or tunnel built over the Long Island Sound. Sad, but true.

Rothman

Quote from: Roadgeek Adam on October 01, 2025, 05:36:39 PMA bridge/tunnel idea, tied with a 4th jetport was rejected outright by the Port Authority in 1969. But yes, it has been proposed before.

By a nutty lawyer in Queens, no less.

Sounds like a frivolous lawsuit.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

SignBridge

Quote from: pderocco on September 30, 2025, 11:24:48 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on September 30, 2025, 07:11:44 PMI'd prefer tunnels being constructed to bridges. However, I understand that neither will be built anywhere.
A combination, like the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, might be more likely, to allow mega-ship traffic without the danger of a collapse like the Key Bridge.

That might be an excellent solution, but again probably nothing is going to be built anyway.

Rothman

Come to think of it, it's kind of a sad state of affairs if we consider some rich lawyer with time on his hands able to make an "official proposal" just because he sues the Port Authority to consider it and is shot down by the judge... :D
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Roadgeek Adam

Quote from: Rothman on October 01, 2025, 09:07:29 PMCome to think of it, it's kind of a sad state of affairs if we consider some rich lawyer with time on his hands able to make an "official proposal" just because he sues the Port Authority to consider it and is shot down by the judge... :D

Yeah, by January 1970, he was told no by the court.
Adam Seth Moss / Amanda Sadie Moss
Author, Inkstains and Cracked Bats
M.A. History, Western Illinois University 2015-17
B.A. History, Montclair State University 2013-15
A.A. History & Education - Middlesex (County) College 2009-13