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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #100 on: March 07, 2019, 09:49:14 AM »

I just hope that they aren't changing the exit numbers back to what they original were. The northern end of what is now I-165 was Exit 70 at the Owensboro Bypass. Then it got changed to Exit 72. If it becomes Exit 70 again....

Making exit signs in Kentucky must be a lucrative business with this, along with all the renumbering on the other Kentucky parkways to the west.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #101 on: March 07, 2019, 11:18:41 AM »

I just hope that they aren't changing the exit numbers back to what they original were. The northern end of what is now I-165 was Exit 70 at the Owensboro Bypass. Then it got changed to Exit 72. If it becomes Exit 70 again....

Making exit signs in Kentucky must be a lucrative business with this, along with all the renumbering on the other Kentucky parkways to the west.

My counterpart in Bowling Green tells me the exit numbers may not be the same as they were before, but I don't know why they wouldn't be.

I'm guessing that US 231 (Scottsville Road) IS on the NHS, but I don't know why the interstate designation doesn't extend to there.

Saw some pictures posted today of the first signage changes (on I-65 approaching the exit) and KY 9007 is being signed for the Natcher Parkway extension. This is now Kentucky's highest-numbered posted highway (previously a number of 6000-series frontage roads would have competed for that honor).

Interesting to note that they're using greenout for the route markers. Kentucky typically uses demountable copy and route markers, so I don't know why they chose to use greenout.

The toll booth cloverleafs have not yet been reconfigured. I guess they're signing it now because Congress dictated that it be signed. Sen. Rand Paul pushed this, probably because he lives in Bowling Green.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #102 on: March 07, 2019, 10:07:04 PM »

Saw some pictures posted today of the first signage changes (on I-65 approaching the exit) and KY 9007 is being signed for the Natcher Parkway extension. This is now Kentucky's highest-numbered posted highway (previously a number of 6000-series frontage roads would have competed for that honor).

Here's a picture that I spotted on WBKO's website.
https://www.wbko.com/content/news/Crews-work-to-change-William-H-Natcher-signage-to-I-165-506830131.html

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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #103 on: March 07, 2019, 11:55:03 PM »

Supposedly Plano Rd (KY 622) is changing to Exit 0, so I have a feeling we're gonna split the difference between the original and current exit numbers. I-65 would be exits 1A and 1B, and US 60/231 would be 71A and 71B ... that is, if it goes as I think it's going.

UPDATE: District 3 posted the new exit numbers ... I was close.

1A/1B - I-65
3 - US 31W (Nashville Rd.)
5 - US 68/KY 80 (Russellville Rd.)
7 - US 231 (Morgantown Rd.)
26 - US 231/KY 79 (S. Main St.)
27 - KY 70 (Veterans Way)
33 - US 231 (Beaver Dam Rd.)
41A/41B - WK Parkway
47 - KY 69
70A/70B - US 60/231 (Wendell H. Ford Expwy.)


I'm OK with the greenouts, but why not at least center them???
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #104 on: March 08, 2019, 09:03:31 AM »

Say hello to I-165!

]https://www.wbko.com/content/news/Natcher-Parkway-officially-changing-to-I-165-506778581.html]

I'm kind of disappointed that they didn't call it the "first addition to the interstate system since 1992", like they kept doing for I-11 when it opened...
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #105 on: March 08, 2019, 11:21:39 AM »

Supposedly Plano Rd (KY 622) is changing to Exit 0, so I have a feeling we're gonna split the difference between the original and current exit numbers. I-65 would be exits 1A and 1B, and US 60/231 would be 71A and 71B ... that is, if it goes as I think it's going.

UPDATE: District 3 posted the new exit numbers ... I was close.

1A/1B - I-65
3 - US 31W (Nashville Rd.)
5 - US 68/KY 80 (Russellville Rd.)
7 - US 231 (Morgantown Rd.)
26 - US 231/KY 79 (S. Main St.)
27 - KY 70 (Veterans Way)
33 - US 231 (Beaver Dam Rd.)
41A/41B - WK Parkway
47 - KY 69
70A/70B - US 60/231 (Wendell H. Ford Expwy.)


I'm OK with the greenouts, but why not at least center them???

Most of those exit numbers are the same as what they were before the extension to US 231 was built. I think the US 31W, US 231 north of Morgantown, and KY 69 are one different than what they were before.

I also understand that the greenout signs are temporary, and that totally new signage is going to be installed. You can see the bases for the support posts for the new signs behind that one example that's been pictured on I-65. That's probably not a bad idea, as the signage along the parkway has been there for quite some time and probably doesn't meet modern reflectivity standards.

Now, maybe they'll add KY 80 to the US 68 exit signage.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #106 on: March 08, 2019, 12:23:46 PM »


Most of those exit numbers are the same as what they were before the extension to US 231 was built. I think the US 31W, US 231 north of Morgantown, and KY https://www.aaroads.com/forum/Themes/Button_Copy/images/bbc/table.gif69 are one different than what they were before.

I also understand that the greenout signs are temporary, and that totally new signage is going to be installed. You can see the bases for the support posts for the new signs behind that one example that's been pictured on I-65. That's probably not a bad idea, as the signage along the parkway has been there for quite some time and probably doesn't meet modern reflectivity standards.

Now, maybe they'll add KY 80 to the US 68 exit signage.

Yes. Going strictly from memory, US 231 at the old toll plaza was 34, and KY 69 was 48.  I want to say US 31W was 4, but I'm not 100% sure on that.  They won't have to change one sign NB just before US 60/231 ... it never got changed from 70 to 72.  Oops.

A lot of the signs are getting pretty rough.  It'll be nice to see 'em replaced.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #107 on: March 08, 2019, 04:01:41 PM »

Now that Interstate 165 has been officially designated, will the William Natcher Parkway name be decommissioned, like the Pennyrile Parkway name was done away with when it officially became part of Interstates 69 and 169?
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #108 on: March 08, 2019, 04:28:44 PM »

Some speculation:  now that Natcher's I-165, Pennyrile's a combo of I-69 & I-169, and the west end of WKY is also I-69 -- how long will it be before KY boosters push an Interstate designation for at least the remainder of the WKY if not the whole ball of wax, including the (former) Bluegrass toward Lexington?  I can see some reticence regarding the Bluegrass, seeing as how no realistic plan for connecting its east end to either I-64 or I-75 has gotten terribly far -- but the WKY, being a direct feed into I-69 (and eventually a commercial-traffic Nashville "avoider"), seems like one of the closest things to a "slam-dunk" as far as speculative Interstate corridors are concerned.   
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #109 on: March 08, 2019, 09:29:32 PM »

Some speculation:  now that Natcher's I-165, Pennyrile's a combo of I-69 & I-169, and the west end of WKY is also I-69 -- how long will it be before KY boosters push an Interstate designation for at least the remainder of the WKY if not the whole ball of wax, including the (former) Bluegrass toward Lexington?  I can see some reticence regarding the Bluegrass, seeing as how no realistic plan for connecting its east end to either I-64 or I-75 has gotten terribly far -- but the WKY, being a direct feed into I-69 (and eventually a commercial-traffic Nashville "avoider"), seems like one of the closest things to a "slam-dunk" as far as speculative Interstate corridors are concerned.   

Kentucky really isn't like North Carolina, so unless someone in the federal delegation pushes the issue, it probably won't happen.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #110 on: March 09, 2019, 05:07:22 PM »

Some speculation:  now that Natcher's I-165, Pennyrile's a combo of I-69 & I-169, and the west end of WKY is also I-69 -- how long will it be before KY boosters push an Interstate designation for at least the remainder of the WKY if not the whole ball of wax, including the (former) Bluegrass toward Lexington?  I can see some reticence regarding the Bluegrass, seeing as how no realistic plan for connecting its east end to either I-64 or I-75 has gotten terribly far -- but the WKY, being a direct feed into I-69 (and eventually a commercial-traffic Nashville "avoider"), seems like one of the closest things to a "slam-dunk" as far as speculative Interstate corridors are concerned.   

Kentucky really isn't like North Carolina, so unless someone in the federal delegation pushes the issue, it probably won't happen.

That's probably correct; it'll likely take a push from a KY Congressional critter to get something like an I-designation for WKY off the ground.  The one thing I can see mitigating against that happening is that there just aren't many large towns along WKY -- or Bluegrass, for that matter -- that would instigate such a push (unlike the various Owensboro officials who have stirred a similar pot from time to time).  It would have to come from someone who looks at a map and decides the designation is a good idea -- and can connect with the right people to promote such a thing. 
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #111 on: March 09, 2019, 07:30:21 PM »

Some speculation:  now that Natcher's I-165, Pennyrile's a combo of I-69 & I-169, and the west end of WKY is also I-69 -- how long will it be before KY boosters push an Interstate designation for at least the remainder of the WKY if not the whole ball of wax, including the (former) Bluegrass toward Lexington?  I can see some reticence regarding the Bluegrass, seeing as how no realistic plan for connecting its east end to either I-64 or I-75 has gotten terribly far -- but the WKY, being a direct feed into I-69 (and eventually a commercial-traffic Nashville "avoider"), seems like one of the closest things to a "slam-dunk" as far as speculative Interstate corridors are concerned.   

Kentucky really isn't like North Carolina, so unless someone in the federal delegation pushes the issue, it probably won't happen.
It's also true that in North Carolina the impetus for interstate expansion has come initially from localities. The difference is that North Carolina really has a lot of medium size cities that can become interested in having an interstate connection. Kentucky doesn't have so many.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #112 on: March 10, 2019, 01:18:50 AM »

The WK could easily be an extension of I-71. It lines up nicely if you look at it on a map.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #113 on: March 10, 2019, 01:45:06 AM »

The WK could easily be an extension of I-71. It lines up nicely if you look at it on a map.

Actually, that's not a half-bad idea; a short multiplex down I-65 wouldn't be totally unreasonable.  But eventually some sort of direct connection/flyover from the EB WKY to NB I-65 would need to be constructed -- along with the usual elimination of the "bowtie" former tollbooth ramps along WKY's length.  Nevertheless, it'll still need some political impetus and follow-up moxie for such a designation change to happen -- much less programming the upgrades. 
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #114 on: March 10, 2019, 01:26:31 PM »

The WK could easily be an extension of I-71. It lines up nicely if you look at it on a map.

Actually, that's not a half-bad idea; a short multiplex down I-65 wouldn't be totally unreasonable.  But eventually some sort of direct connection/flyover from the EB WKY to NB I-65 would need to be constructed -- along with the usual elimination of the "bowtie" former tollbooth ramps along WKY's length.  Nevertheless, it'll still need some political impetus and follow-up moxie for such a designation change to happen -- much less programming the upgrades.

There's only one of those left now, at US 431/KY 70 at Central City.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #115 on: March 13, 2019, 01:46:23 PM »

I would number the rest of the Western Kentucky Parkway Interstate 269, but I suppose numbering it as an extension of Interstate 71 is not a bad idea either.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #116 on: March 14, 2019, 12:22:26 AM »


I'm guessing that US 231 (Scottsville Road) IS on the NHS, but I don't know why the interstate designation doesn't extend to there.


The only other thing I can think of is that it had to start at I-65 since it's a spur off of it. But there are plenty of examples where that's not the case, like I-355 in Illinois.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #117 on: March 14, 2019, 12:48:14 AM »

^^^^^^^^
I-355's an odd duck -- it not only crosses its parent, but terminates at two other Interstates: I-80 at the south end and I-290 at the north.  By all rights it should be I-455 -- but what's done is done, and it's been around for 30+ years as it is, so it's unlikely to ever change (particularly in Chicagoland!).  :-/

Getting back to I-165: I wonder which poster will get the first reassurance shield pix?
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #118 on: March 14, 2019, 11:19:26 AM »


I'm guessing that US 231 (Scottsville Road) IS on the NHS, but I don't know why the interstate designation doesn't extend to there.


The only other thing I can think of is that it had to start at I-65 since it's a spur off of it. But there are plenty of examples where that's not the case, like I-355 in Illinois.

Former I-181 is the one that comes to my mind.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #119 on: March 14, 2019, 11:20:38 AM »

When will this be shown in the official shapefiles?
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« Reply #120 on: March 14, 2019, 02:42:01 PM »

^^^^^^^^
I-355's an odd duck -- it not only crosses its parent, but terminates at two other Interstates: I-80 at the south end and I-290 at the north.  By all rights it should be I-455 -- but what's done is done, and it's been around for 30+ years as it is, so it's unlikely to ever change (particularly in Chicagoland!).  :-/
At one point, I-455 was considered for the former North-South Tollway, to the point maps were printed with the 455 designation

Souced from https://www.interstate-guide.com/i-355_il.html

Also, when it first opened, the route endpoints were I-55 and I-290. The Southern Extension to I-80 came later.

Maybe someday, the Northern Corridor Extension to IL 120 can occur, and number the whole corridor 355

Regarding I-165, any chance KYTC and INDOT work to extend the designation, along US 231 to at least I-64? That stretch is already high quality, mostly limited access divided highway.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #121 on: March 14, 2019, 04:54:13 PM »

231 between I-64 and the Ohio River is a four lane divided highway, but nowhere near limited access.  There are a lot of intersections, and Indiana has no interest in spending that kind of money on a road that is that lightly traveled.
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #122 on: March 14, 2019, 05:43:00 PM »

Regarding I-165, any chance KYTC and INDOT work to extend the designation, along US 231 to at least I-64? That stretch is already high quality, mostly limited access divided highway.

That would be a not-bad idea; but chances are that despite any upgrades in KY (such as upgrades of the Natcher/US 60 interchange and replacing the north/east US 231/60 intersection with an interchange) the issue will be INDOT and their fiscal situation.  Maybe after section 6 of the I-69 extension is done, something like this could be revisited in IN -- but for the time being anything involving IN might be dicey at best.  A more likely scenario is some sort of extension westward over US 60 and segueing over to the Audubon Parkway, terminating at I-69 at Henderson.  Keeps the whole corridor in one jurisdiction -- and at one time the I-369 designation was considered for the Audubon.  But if either an Audubon or US 231 extension were to gain serious consideration, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Owensboro mayoral office (regardless of occupant; they all have seemed to be infected with Interstate fever!) suggest a designation change to a 2di (maybe I-63?).
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #123 on: March 14, 2019, 05:57:52 PM »

231 between I-64 and the Ohio River is a four lane divided highway, but nowhere near limited access.  There are a lot of intersections, and Indiana has no interest in spending that kind of money on a road that is that lightly traveled.
I've driven it - not a whole lot of intersections. I don't recall many lights at all. And not much in the ways of driveways either.

It is certainly not fully access controlled, but access is limited/controlled to a point

Plenty of ROW and land for frontage roads and grade separations, if an Interstate upgrade were ever to pass.

I confess, this would be years down the road. Not saying put Shields up tomorrow
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Re: I-165 Kentucky (William H. Natcher Green River Parkway)
« Reply #124 on: March 15, 2019, 12:00:49 AM »

231 between I-64 and the Ohio River is a four lane divided highway, but nowhere near limited access.  There are a lot of intersections, and Indiana has no interest in spending that kind of money on a road that is that lightly traveled.
I've driven it - not a whole lot of intersections. I don't recall many lights at all. And not much in the ways of driveways either.

It is certainly not fully access controlled, but access is limited/controlled to a point

Plenty of ROW and land for frontage roads and grade separations, if an Interstate upgrade were ever to pass.

I confess, this would be years down the road. Not saying put Shields up tomorrow

By my count, there are 10 at-grade intersections and 3 interchanges.

And I'm working to get a shield shot ... they aren't far enough north yet for my route to take me past one. Hopefully they get north of the WKP soon!
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