Status of Travel Mapping

[yakra]

I know nothing about PHP or GitHub, but I can send my .list file and my states' folders (if necessary) to those in need of data if necessary.

One suggestion for hbtest:
Presently the waypoint numbering starts at 0. I'd prefer it starting at 1 as on the old site. That way, waypoint numbers would correspond with line numbers in the text file, making it easier to look up & edit points in gedit or notepad++, etc.

Waypoints for interstates started at 0 at the state line. (Hence the "0 999" point entries.)

That's a reference to waypoint labeling. I mean numbering them, such as when for ME US1AltMil, US1_S is Waypoint 1 of 9 (as shown by WPTedit), KanRd is Waypoint 2 of 9, etc.

[bejacob]

I'll be offline a lot the next few weeks, and my time for the project will be much more limited when I get back.  I'd like to focus my efforts on helping others get to the point where they can work on the web front end and get going on highway data updating and later, new development.  I'd also like to get a few people to volunteer to take .list file updates from those who would prefer to keep their hands out of GitHub, and get them into GitHub on their behalf.

I'd like to keep updating my .list file as I add new routes and discover ones I've missed or entered incorrectly. Jim has been a huge help keeping me up to date in the database. If there is someone other than Jim I should send updates to, please let me know via personal message.

Thanks,
Brian

[bejacob]

As the changes and corrections are made, would this also be a good time to explore redefining what makes a route worthy of being listed?

Examples that come to mind: adding New York's Cross County Parkway and Kentucky's Hal Rogers Parkway, among others, to US Select Named Freeways.  The part of the NYST's Berkshire Connector that isn't I-90 also ought to be considered.  IIRC, the argument against these was that they were either too short, or (in the case of the Hal Rogers Pkwy) mostly 2-lane.

I have long been curious why the Hal Rogers Parkway wasn't included when all the other Kentucky Parkways were on the list. It is a fairly major route in that part of the state despite being mostly a 2-lane road.

Because it wasn't a full freeway.  That was the sticking point for Tim.  I had the file done at that time when the other Parkways went online, but Tim didn't want to add it because of that.

I'm guessing that is the same reason roads like the Blue Ridge Parkway and the Natchez Trace Parkway were not included. Those seem notable omissions.

[Duke87]

And yet the entire length of the Bronx River and Taconic State Parkways were included.

As well they should be since even though they aren't full freeways, NY Parkways don't have to be and are important roads nonetheless.

[Jim]

Quick note: I have discovered an error in my concurrency detection.  I traveled from Arnprior to Thunder Bay on ON 17, including its entire concurrency with ON 11 in North Bay and the part of their concurrency from Nipigon and Thunder Bay.  My algorithm credited me with all of ON 11 between those concurrencies.  I won't have time to fix this right away, but be aware that similar situations elsewhere are probably equally susceptible to this bug.  Fixing this is at the top of my list for project work.  I doubt it will be a big problem to fix.

[Jim]

Quick note: I have discovered an error in my concurrency detection.
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I'm glad I reported this only to myself, because it wasn't an error in the concurrency detection, it was a mislabeling in my .list file.

In the process, I was able to run a DB update.  I think everything that's been sent to me recently is in.  Please resend if not.  Now that I think of it, I might not have pulled in an update or two that came through GitHub.  I'll be sure to do those in the next update, likely within a few days.

[english si]

Where have the colours gone?
http://www.teresco.org/~terescoj/travelmapping/hbtest/?rg=WLS&u=si404 had blue, red and brown a few days ago.
Edit: USA is fine http://www.teresco.org/~terescoj/travelmapping/hbtest/mapview.php?rg=NV&u=si404 has all the colours, including for non-clinched routes (which are grey in Europe).

Canada is like Europe - peach and gray.

[theFXexpert]

Where have the colours gone?
http://www.teresco.org/~terescoj/travelmapping/hbtest/?rg=WLS&u=si404 had blue, red and brown a few days ago.
Edit: USA is fine http://www.teresco.org/~terescoj/travelmapping/hbtest/mapview.php?rg=NV&u=si404 has all the colours, including for non-clinched routes (which are grey in Europe).

Canada is like Europe - peach and gray.

You have to go to mapview.php.

[english si]

Thanks!

[SD Mapman]

So have all the pending road updates that were there last November been taken into account? I know Jeff had a lot of SD updates ready to go...

[yakra]

For my part, I still have a lot to be updated in my states and provinces, but still haven't gotten hip to GitHub yet...

[rickmastfan67]

I'm in the same boat as yakra here.  I know I had some updates that were submitted to Tim between the last full site update and the last *.list update for the old CHM site.  Just don't know what to do yet with GitHub.  That, and I don't know when/if we're changing the format for them.

[english si]

So have all the pending road updates that were there last November been taken into account? I know Jeff had a lot of SD updates ready to go...

Only I (and maybe Jim?) have updated any data from the base point of ~a year ago. Most of what I've updated is of little concern to people (deliberately started with that!).

I've just made a pull request (to test that system - having edit rights in the data folder meant I didn't need to) for Future I-11. I believe I did send that off to Tim summer/fall last year. I think that is the only one that was pending that I've uploaded (though I have synced a fair few regions, most of the updates were either me dragging Tim's regions that hadn't been touched in years to the present or were motorway openings that happened after I stopped emailing Tim. Bulgaria has the motorway that opened this week in the highway data folder (though not the browser yet as I only put it there yesterday!)).

As I have github working (well, online at least - the 'for Windows' program keeps mucking about), I can certainly get my regions' data up to date (though some works best with batch uploads that would be much better with the actual program) fairly quickly. I still need to proof read four of Tim's european regions - Spain took me a week (and I've still not done the E roads) and I hope Germany and Poland won't be that long, though they probably will (Sweden and Slovakia are the others. Slovakia is part done and at most a couple of hours, Sweden is full of long boring routes).

[Jim]

I'm going to be in one place for the most part next week, and I hope to nail down an appropriate GitHub-based procedure people can use to submit highway data updates.

To answer one other question briefly, I believe file format changes are on hold at least until we get current active systems up to date as much as we can.

I am confident that once all of us get comfortable with the GitHub based workflow, the whole process is going to be much smoother and more efficient.

I think we need a volunteer to be in charge of the list of "newsworthy" updates (new/deleted/extended/truncated routes, changes to waypoint names that could break .list files, etc.) and the list of sources.  We don't really have a place to put them yet, but they should be tracked as we start updating, and later, expanding.

[Bickendan]

si -- I can't fathom why going over Spain's highways would take so long at all... x.x
Those systems were an absolute bear when I drafted them.

Is the online route editor we used still in existence? I can't find the relevant thread on the old forum.

[english si]

si -- I can't fathom why going over Spain's highways would take so long at all... x.x
Those systems were an absolute bear when I drafted them.

It's a bit better now gaps are filled and the exit number changeover process that you drafted your files during has gone further (some regions still holding out) - plus working with existing files I didn't have to think up how to deal with three exit numbering systems on the same route.

However, the pace of construction was insane and even though Tim kept fairly on top of it, there was a good several hundred km I had to add.

Is the online route editor we used still in existence? I can't find the relevant thread on the old forum.

Yes. It's in the tools.

[Bickendan]

How many segments of A/AP-7 did you have to stitch together? I think that was the worst one, with E-15 being the exit number monster since it's non-segmented.

[SD Mapman]

So have all the pending road updates that were there last November been taken into account? I know Jeff had a lot of SD updates ready to go...

Only I (and maybe Jim?) have updated any data from the base point of ~a year ago. Most of what I've updated is of little concern to people (deliberately started with that!).

OK, thanks! Hopefully SD will get up to date soon. There was a lot that was going to be fixed.

[vdeane]

I'm going to be in one place for the most part next week, and I hope to nail down an appropriate GitHub-based procedure people can use to submit highway data updates.

When I worked at my last job, they used a system where people would create branches named with the issue number of the bug/feature they were working on, mark it as resolved when done, and the primary maintainer would mark the issue as closed when the branch was merged back into master.

[mapcat]

There haven't been any recent updates on the stats pages and other features people besides Jim are working on.  What's their status?

[SSOWorld]

There haven't been any recent updates on the stats pages and other features people besides Jim are working on.  What's their status?

I've been lagging badly - busy with work.  I hope to get some work in on the map drawing this weekend.

[Wadsteckel]

It would seem that the big hole at this point with the new HB is the lack of an index page.

Hi Jim, et al,

I think my current question is tied into what Valerie is talking about in the above quote.  I was wondering about the status to see all routes available in a given state so that I can tweak my .list file further.  One route that I've been on (minimally) that would benefit from this is US1 Bypass in Kittery, ME.  I can see there are waypoints for the route when I look at Maine, but when trying to find the route to look at it, I can't figure out what it's named.  I tried the common names:  me.us001bypkit, me.us001byp, me.us001altkit.

Many thanks,
-Ed S

[english si]

bypass bannered routes tend to be part of the mainline (if the other route is a business route). However this one is a continuation of the bypass of the larger city of Portsmouth, NH so is me.us001byppor

[oscar]

bypass bannered routes tend to be part of the mainline (if the other route is a business route). However this one is a continuation of the bypass of the larger city of Portsmouth, NH so is me.us001byppor

I confirmed this with CHM's Highway Browser, which still works (though it identifies the route as ME US1BypPor -- route names in the HB, which are the ones you use in your list files, follow slightly different naming conventions than the names of the underlying route files, such as differences on capitalization and leading zeroes).

The HB has not been updated since last year, but then again the Travel Mapping database hasn't yet been updated much (including new routes) either. Such updates are among the next items on our to-do list. Until then, the CHM Highway Browser will be a good guide to the TM database.

[Jim]

I'm still hoping that others will take the lead on the web front end, as the time I can put into the project is going to me much more limited than it was during the initial implementation push.  For now, I should be able to throw together a page that will at least let people get to the new draft HB in an easier way and without knowing the wpt file names, as well as a way to get to the Google Maps overlay mapping without having to know all of the region/system codes and an obscure URL.  Slight chance this weekend, better chance in about a week.  I could pretty easily put together a static page based on current data, but it would make more sense to use PHP and get all of the info right from the DB.