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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5325 on: October 19, 2020, 08:46:20 AM »

Grand Caverns wasn’t bad. It’s in Grottoes, a bit southeast of Harrisonburg just off US 340. Taking VA 253 out of Harrisonburg will put you right there.

There are a few more caverns, but other than Dixie Caverns no names come to mind. I’ve only been to Luray and Grand.

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5326 on: October 19, 2020, 09:52:44 AM »

I couldn't disagree more.
1) The 234 bypass stinks, it needs to be limited access.  Moreover it is N-S directionally.

2) Rt 28 is the major corridor from the Dulles area/Dulles Toll Road/I-66/and central FFX-Tysons-even inner Arl and DC to points west in PW and south in PW and Stafford.  It is appropriately becoming a limited access road from Bull Run to Rt 7 before it becomes a gridlocked stop and go local business route in town that is completely inadequate.  This is not just a rush hour issue, think weekend getaways to I-95; West FFX and PWC lack a needed freeway to connect them to I-95.  28 is being used as this and the result is immense suffering (and safety) issues.
-The bypass is SOLEY needed as this is a thru route and a continuation of an existing freeway.  The bypass as planned will take existing traffic already there and move it smoothly through Manassas (where it can exit) to Bristow (where it can exit) to 234 (where it can also exit in route to 95).  This is SO so needed and will not induce as the demand is there NOW.
-In fact it will give the business and residents of Manassas on 28 a needed breather and improve their quality of life.

3) The other bypass to the south of 28, I was with DOT, we already studied it, bad choice.
-It costs more, it has many more wetland, parkland, and green space takings.
-It reduces 28 traffic less as it focuses more on routing people to 234-95 as opposed to Manassas, Bristow, as well as 234-95.

I can see, as I also disagree. I am hoping that we're doing this in a friendly manner, that's for sure.

The 234 bypass is certainly a nice road and all, but as mentioned earlier I do lament how they're not planning for the entire route (at least through the 294/234 Bus. intersection complex) to be completely grade-separated. At the very least, we are getting a few new interchanges. Orientation-wise, I can presume this was the only convenient corridor for such - things do happen for a reason.

I do agree that 28 is a major corridor - that point I do support. It is a shame how it isn't being upgraded thoroughly through Fairfax, and that the other problems add weight to it. I'll certainly take it as a last resort option though. Wouldn't want sprawl to increase out in Nokesville/Catlett (though from sprawl, I'd certainly like to see new retail centers  :-D )
As for the third option, are you speaking of the Alt 9 (1/2) plan presented a while back? I'll admit that one was a very mediocre idea. On top of skirting close to Bull Run for longer and becoming host to some eminent domain problems, the routing for it just didn't make that much sense. Even Alt 4 has a partial bypass (Godwin Dr) and a clear strip of land going for it.

My dream would be for Braddock Road to become a limited access parkway west of Shirley Gate.
-Braddock would have an interchange @ Shirley Gate and all points west...it would be renamed 'Braddock Parkway'
-It would extend over I-66, dumping traffic on I-66 before connecting with Stone Road.
-This would allow US 29 in Centreville to become a more walkable revitalized village.
I'm not sure about that one. There are points where it's pretty entrenched within development. Though it's past overdue for an overpass over 66, that I know.
While I agree that the VA-234 bypass stinks and should be light free north of VA-294/Brentsville Road, the notion that VA-28 will be limited access between the Bull Run and US-29 is basically nonexistent since there doesn’t appear to be any plans to remove any of the lights through Centreville due to it being a more 'residential" area. Do I agree with this plan or lack thereof? No. Is it unfortunately tough reality? Yes. Next, to be clear, the bypass will not be a freeway and will have at grade intersections on both the planned part and the existing one (Godwin Drive) will no current plans to change this. Finally, I am still not convinced that this bypass will take much if any existing traffic off of VA-28 and will instead take the traffic off of VA-234 and make VA-28 north of the bull run even worse (and the soon to be constructed 3rd lane obsolete) when the bypass and regular VA-28 meet back up. All this does is entice commuters in Bristow to take the bypass/VA-28 all the way to I-66 instead of first using VA-234. If this bypass is built, current VA-28 in Manassas will still have problems. As I’ve said before, I believe that the best option here is the one not currently on the table that is to construct a new southbound only roadway a block west of current VA-28 and make this part northbound only with 3 lanes in each direction and an additional BRT/HOT lane. Improvements should then also be made to VA-234 such as constructing interchanges at Sudley Manor Drive and University Blvd…oh wait :banghead:
There have been a few proposals for alternative intersections up the corridor, as well as even interchanges such as at New Braddock. I don't believe they'll come to fruition with the current 6-8-lane widening plan. Those I will argue to be necessary if the traffic light backup starts around there. Other than that, good points and it's what I expected of the bypass. I'm definitely counting on this one to bring improvements to the current area.

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They could have convert US-50 as a mini-freeway with the adjacents streets being turned into one-way streets but I can already hear the Nimbys saying "how dare you?".

Actually, it already is somewhat of an expressway over in Arlington. There are a few interchanges dotted along the road, with a sizable frontage road network also included. I argue that it would work well in Falls Church, albeit sinking 50 may be a challenge.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5327 on: October 19, 2020, 11:31:42 AM »

A potential problem with making Route 50 a higher-speed limited-access road in that area is preventing pedestrians from trying to cross. That's been a huge problem in the Seven Corners area over the years, to the point where they wound up putting up chain-link fences even after building a pedestrian overpass because people were still trying to run across the road instead of using the bridge. VDOT's study cited the substantial immigrant population in that area—they suspected that people used to traffic patterns in other countries (in the case of Seven Corners, predominantly Vietnam) may be unfamiliar with US traffic patterns and driver behavior such that they don't appreciate how dangerous it is to try to run across that sort of highway. The area further west to which that tweet refers is, as the tweet itself indicates, another area with a large immigrant population, so if VDOT is correct about that being a factor, they'll have to plan for the same sort of considerations.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5328 on: October 19, 2020, 05:58:04 PM »

Heh.  I used to live by Seven Corners...a long time ago, I suppose.  I don't remember the pedestrian bridge. :D
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5329 on: October 19, 2020, 06:30:56 PM »

Heh.  I used to live by Seven Corners...a long time ago, I suppose.  I don't remember the pedestrian bridge. :D
It was still under construction in 2007 - 2008 Street View imagery, so it wasn't there before then.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5330 on: October 19, 2020, 06:40:49 PM »

Heh.  I used to live by Seven Corners...a long time ago, I suppose.  I don't remember the pedestrian bridge. :D

Heh, I’ve lived in this area long enough to remember when the Seven Corners mall wasn’t a has-been. Woodies and Garfinckel's were the two anchors there and Lord & Taylor were across Route 7.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5331 on: October 19, 2020, 07:36:49 PM »

Heh.  I used to live by Seven Corners...a long time ago, I suppose.  I don't remember the pedestrian bridge. :D

Heh, I’ve lived in this area long enough to remember when the Seven Corners mall wasn’t a has-been. Woodies and Garfinckel's were the two anchors there and Lord & Taylor were across Route 7.

There was a great (IMO) restaurant that served "Chinese" cuisine called the Inn of the Seven Immortals in Seven Corners (I think it was in a stand-alone building on the property).  It has been gone for a long time now. 

I think the same people also owned the Moon Palace on Wisconsin Avenue, N.W. near Macomb Street in the District of Columbia.
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5332 on: October 19, 2020, 08:36:13 PM »

For those that might be planning a trip on the Blue Ridge Parkway in Virginia, you might want to be aware that a section of the motor road is closed south of Roanoke due to a large slope failure that has made the parkway impassible.   

It is currently closed from U.S. 220 (milepost 121) south to Adney Gap (milepost 136), and has been closed since May 2020.

Details here (this is from September).

The National Park Service says that a total closure for the next 12 to 18 months will be required for repairs (details here).

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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5333 on: October 20, 2020, 02:13:41 PM »

Heh.  I used to live by Seven Corners...a long time ago, I suppose.  I don't remember the pedestrian bridge. :D

Heh, I’ve lived in this area long enough to remember when the Seven Corners mall wasn’t a has-been. Woodies and Garfinckel's were the two anchors there and Lord & Taylor were across Route 7.

There was a great (IMO) restaurant that served "Chinese" cuisine called the Inn of the Seven Immortals in Seven Corners (I think it was in a stand-alone building on the property).  It has been gone for a long time now. 

I think the same people also owned the Moon Palace on Wisconsin Avenue, N.W. near Macomb Street in the District of Columbia.

That name sounds familiar, but it's not a place I would ever have eaten. The only Chinese restaurant to which my parents ever took us was Duck Chang's on John Marr Drive in Annandale. It's still there, but the last time I went there a few years ago it was disappointing.
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« Reply #5334 on: October 20, 2020, 04:27:33 PM »

That name sounds familiar, but it's not a place I would ever have eaten. The only Chinese restaurant to which my parents ever took us was Duck Chang's on John Marr Drive in Annandale. It's still there, but the last time I went there a few years ago it was disappointing.

It was a place that made "Chinese" food made for North Americans, well before we heard of (for example) Sichuan cuisine or Cantonese cuisine (I think "Chinese" food here is largely based on Cantonese). 
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5335 on: October 20, 2020, 09:48:45 PM »

Duck Chang's allegedly pioneered a type of quick-service Peking duck; rather than the 1-2 days needed to fully prep it, he could somehow do it in time for customer's orders (presumably with his own prepping of the duck).

I'll note that Peking (AKA Beijing) Duck is very much a Beijing-style cuisine, specifically imperial cuisine.

Previous commenter is correct that *most* Chinese restaurants in the US have a heavily (and I mean *heavily*) adapted Catonese influence, which dates all the way back to railroad workers coming into San Francisco.

Modern restaurants cover a much wider range of cuisines - Peter Chang's in Northern VA and Richmond specializes in Sichuan (which is nothing like Cantonese).
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« Reply #5336 on: October 21, 2020, 10:15:59 AM »

Modern restaurants cover a much wider range of cuisines - Peter Chang's in Northern VA and Richmond specializes in Sichuan (which is nothing like Cantonese).

Sichuan is great - for those that like spicy food (which I do).
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5337 on: October 22, 2020, 09:35:41 AM »

I'll drop this in here since it is a Smart Road/VDOT project with some pretty neat aspects:

https://video.vt.edu/media/t/1_8dt0dudr/91886671

"The Virginia Tech Transportation Institute is working with the Virginia Department of Transportation to develop the work zone of the future, improving work zone safety through new technology."
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Re: Virginia
« Reply #5338 on: October 23, 2020, 11:23:57 AM »

VDOT's Twitter account comes up with some nice old pictures.

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VDOT's Twitter account comes up with some nice old pictures.

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U.S. 250 between Staunton and Monterey has plenty of sharp curves and switchbacks.  I read someplace that this dates back the its early days in the 19th Century, when the road was engineered and built as the Staunton-Parkersburg Turnpike with relatively gentle grades but lots of those curves (there are plenty more of them west here across Highland County).
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