Yield or Stop signs at highway entrances

Started by NJ, November 25, 2015, 11:22:17 AM

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NJ

How common is it in your state to put up 'Yield' or 'Stop' signs at highway/freeway entrance (ramps)? Here in New Jersey you see a lot of 'Yield' signs, and sometimes but very seldom 'Stop' signs as well (I hate stop signs!)


hotdogPi

It's always "Yield" (in a spot that requires merging).
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Brandon

Almost never onto a freeway or tollway in Illinois.  There are a few yield signs at ramps with a limited merge lane.

Now, stop signs have appeared on some exit ramps onto highways on a few cloverleafs (see here as an example: https://goo.gl/maps/CrxYozM3x3u).  My opinion is that these should be replaced with yield signs.
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roadman

MassDOT District 4 loves to place Yield signs on freeway entrance ramps - even at locations that have adequate accelleration lanes.
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jbnati27

Quote from: Brandon on November 25, 2015, 11:59:33 AM
Almost never onto a freeway or tollway in Illinois.  There are a few yield signs at ramps with a limited merge lane.

Now, stop signs have appeared on some exit ramps onto highways on a few cloverleafs (see here as an example: https://goo.gl/maps/CrxYozM3x3u).  My opinion is that these should be replaced with yield signs.

Wow, no acceleration lane at all on that one! That's pretty nasty in my opinion. So, if you treat the stop as a yield and roll the stop sign, do you get a ticket?

jbnati27

By the way, in my opinion, there should only be stop signs at the end of a ramp in a very, very rare situation.

Brandon

Quote from: jbnati27 on November 25, 2015, 12:25:17 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 25, 2015, 11:59:33 AM
Almost never onto a freeway or tollway in Illinois.  There are a few yield signs at ramps with a limited merge lane.

Now, stop signs have appeared on some exit ramps onto highways on a few cloverleafs (see here as an example: https://goo.gl/maps/CrxYozM3x3u).  My opinion is that these should be replaced with yield signs.

Wow, no acceleration lane at all on that one! That's pretty nasty in my opinion. So, if you treat the stop as a yield and roll the stop sign, do you get a ticket?

The stupid thing is that it used to have a proper merge.  IDOT modified it to its current configuration about a decade ago.
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jeffandnicole

Quote from: jbnati27 on November 25, 2015, 12:25:17 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 25, 2015, 11:59:33 AM
Almost never onto a freeway or tollway in Illinois.  There are a few yield signs at ramps with a limited merge lane.

Now, stop signs have appeared on some exit ramps onto highways on a few cloverleafs (see here as an example: https://goo.gl/maps/CrxYozM3x3u).  My opinion is that these should be replaced with yield signs.

Wow, no acceleration lane at all on that one! That's pretty nasty in my opinion. So, if you treat the stop as a yield and roll the stop sign, do you get a ticket?

Stop means Stop.

Of course, you'd only get a ticket if a cop saw you, and wanted to pull you over.  In this case, because of the angle, it would be hard to do much more than a rolling stop anyway. 

Being the intersecting road isn't really a highway and there's a nearby intersection, I think the intention is for one to enter the road from a stop rather than having them merge in and getting over two lanes if necessary to make that first left.

NJ

Quote from: Brandon on November 25, 2015, 11:59:33 AM
Almost never onto a freeway or tollway in Illinois.  There are a few yield signs at ramps with a limited merge lane.

Now, stop signs have appeared on some exit ramps onto highways on a few cloverleafs (see here as an example: https://goo.gl/maps/CrxYozM3x3u).  My opinion is that these should be replaced with yield signs.

Ugh I hate when they use stop signs instead of yield signs. That's a perfect example of overusage of stop signs  :angry:

Rothman

Swore I saw a stop sign for a ramp onto the Saw Mill River Parkway, northbound somewhere.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

jakeroot

The Arroyo Seco Parkway between downtown LA and Pasadena has quite a few stop signs at the entrance ramps, if only because there are no acceleration lanes:


odditude

the onramp to I-95 SB from NJ 29 has a stop sign, due to poor visibility and lack of an acceleration lane. this should no longer be the case once the Scudder Falls Bridge replacement project is complete.

jbnati27

Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 25, 2015, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: jbnati27 on November 25, 2015, 12:25:17 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 25, 2015, 11:59:33 AM
Almost never onto a freeway or tollway in Illinois.  There are a few yield signs at ramps with a limited merge lane.

Now, stop signs have appeared on some exit ramps onto highways on a few cloverleafs (see here as an example: https://goo.gl/maps/CrxYozM3x3u).  My opinion is that these should be replaced with yield signs.

Wow, no acceleration lane at all on that one! That's pretty nasty in my opinion. So, if you treat the stop as a yield and roll the stop sign, do you get a ticket?

Stop means Stop.

Of course, you'd only get a ticket if a cop saw you, and wanted to pull you over.  In this case, because of the angle, it would be hard to do much more than a rolling stop anyway. 

Being the intersecting road isn't really a highway and there's a nearby intersection, I think the intention is for one to enter the road from a stop rather than having them merge in and getting over two lanes if necessary to make that first left.

The question about rolling the stop sign was a rhetorical one. You're right, even if there was a yield sign, the angle does make it difficult to do anything but a rolling stop. I guess it make sense to be able make the left after turning right to have a stop sign there. However, I just don't like how it disturbs the flow.

All this being said, I have absolutely NO CLUE on what the traffic volume is at this interchange.

Kacie Jane

Quote from: Rothman on November 25, 2015, 01:22:56 PM
Swore I saw a stop sign for a ramp onto the Saw Mill River Parkway, northbound somewhere.

Can't say for sure, but that sounds right. I believe the Merritt has a few as well.

CapeCodder

Before it was modified, the 40/61/70 interchange in Wentzville had a stop sign at the ramp going from 70 west to 40 EB.

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SidS1045

Quote from: Kacie Jane on November 25, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
Quote from: Rothman on November 25, 2015, 01:22:56 PM
Swore I saw a stop sign for a ramp onto the Saw Mill River Parkway, northbound somewhere.

Can't say for sure, but that sounds right. I believe the Merritt has a few as well.

A lot of the NYC-area parkways have STOP signs on the ramps.  They were built in an era when cars struggled to make 35 mph and as a result the parkways were built without acceleration lanes...they just weren't necessary.  Meanwhile, property near the parkway ramps, particularly in Westchester and Fairfield counties, was scoffed up, making land takings for building ramps when they became necessary impossibly expensive.  (Some other acceleration lanes couldn't be built because of how and where overpasses were built, effectively blocking the area where the acceleration lanes would be built.)  So, on roads like the Hutch and the Merritt, you'll see a mixture of ramps, some ending in STOP signs with no acceleration lanes, and others with those lanes ending in YIELD.
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Zeffy

Quote from: odditude on November 25, 2015, 02:11:25 PM
the onramp to I-95 SB from NJ 29 has a stop sign, due to poor visibility and lack of an acceleration lane. this should no longer be the case once the Scudder Falls Bridge replacement project is complete.

This is literally one of the worst ideas I've seen in this state. I will go out of my to way avoid that ramp whenever possible, unless I'm absolutely sure there is light traffic heading southbound. Going from 0 -> 65 or higher, as is the case with traffic on this road, is scary as hell.
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Mergingtraffic

On-ramps with no merge time should have stops signs. In my experience on-ramps with no merge time that have yield signs are dangerous because drivers on the ramp just plow right on forcing mainline traffic to swerve for them. I've seen people plow on without even braking and then forced a TT on the mainline to swerve onto the shoulder.
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hbelkins

More than a few stop signs at entrance ramps to I-70 in Pennsylvania between New Stanton and Washington.
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txstateends

The only one I know of in the DFW area is in NE Fort Worth, on the EB TX 121 ramp to SB I-820, the ramp was built hemmed-in between the TX 121 main lanes and the Trinity Railway Express/BNSF RR which runs alongside TX 121 to the south.  Just as you get to the end of the ramp, >bam!!< 2 stop signs and I-820 traffic you somehow have to merge with.    https://goo.gl/maps/GEW4Ga6nvFt

They should redo that ramp--it's really bad.
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wanderer2575

Not the norm in Michigan unless there is no acceleration lane.  Such as the ramp from Barton Drive to eastbound M-14 in Ann Arbor.  Some have speculated this interchange is one reason Michigan hasn't pursued a 3di designation for M-14.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3049143,-83.7442464,143m/data=!3m1!1e3

Even the Jamet Street entrances to I-75 in Mackinaw City (near the south end of the Mackinac Bridge) don't have stop or yield signs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.7837397,-84.7330223,198m/data=!3m1!1e3

GaryV

Quote from: wanderer2575 on November 26, 2015, 01:29:05 PM
Not the norm in Michigan unless there is no acceleration lane.  Such as the ramp from Barton Drive to eastbound M-14 in Ann Arbor.  Some have speculated this interchange is one reason Michigan hasn't pursued a 3di designation for M-14.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3049143,-83.7442464,143m/data=!3m1!1e3
The left exits at the intersections of US 23 are also sub-standard.

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Even the Jamet Street entrances to I-75 in Mackinaw City (near the south end of the Mackinac Bridge) don't have stop or yield signs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.7837397,-84.7330223,198m/data=!3m1!1e3
True, but the freeway is ending there for the bridge, and the speed limit is only 45.

Bitmapped

Yield signs on ramps are pretty common in Ohio.

ftballfan

Quote from: wanderer2575 on November 26, 2015, 01:29:05 PM
Not the norm in Michigan unless there is no acceleration lane.  Such as the ramp from Barton Drive to eastbound M-14 in Ann Arbor.  Some have speculated this interchange is one reason Michigan hasn't pursued a 3di designation for M-14.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3049143,-83.7442464,143m/data=!3m1!1e3

Even the Jamet Street entrances to I-75 in Mackinaw City (near the south end of the Mackinac Bridge) don't have stop or yield signs.
https://www.google.com/maps/@45.7837397,-84.7330223,198m/data=!3m1!1e3

IMHO, there should be a YIELD sign on the on-ramp from Airline Rd to US-31 SB in Muskegon. It's a very tight merge with traffic trying to get over onto I-96 (even tighter than a regular cloverleaf)



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