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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #550 on: August 17, 2015, 11:35:34 AM »

I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Which is why it makes absolutely no sense to have two separate I-74s, with one being so far out of place.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #551 on: August 17, 2015, 09:22:52 PM »

I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.
I know at one point KYDOT considering combining the AA Highway upgrade proposals and the I-74 corridor into one road but eitherway I-74 doesn't need to be extended past Cincinnati. It is just fine ending in Cincinnati. Half of the NCDOT I-74 is concurrent with I-73 it seems. There is no point to connect the two segments together. Just finish up surface road projects like US 35 and US 52 in WV.
Which is why it makes absolutely no sense to have two separate I-74s, with one being so far out of place.

That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #552 on: August 17, 2015, 09:28:10 PM »

That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #553 on: August 19, 2015, 12:24:35 PM »

That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.
I like having a southern I-79 in place of I-73/I-74 myself! In fact, I remember drawing an I-79 on the atlases from Greensboro to Myrtle Beach along the route that was to become I-73, as well as an I-36 for the Asheville-Charlotte-Wilmington route. Alas, those plans will never be realized now...
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #554 on: August 19, 2015, 02:45:24 PM »

Move your Interstate 74 renumbering to Interstate 79 to Fictional Highways, since it is not going to happen in the non-fictional world. Same with your Interstate 36 proposal.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #555 on: September 02, 2015, 10:21:18 PM »

A look through the latest information on NCDOT's Construction Progress Report shows the completion dates for a couple I-73 projects have been moved back. The widening of US 220 north of Greensboro to NC 68 now has a completion date of June 2017, moved from December 2016. This is not a surprise since the project is way behind schedule, just over half is finished when it was scheduled to be nearly 90% done. The delay means that the recently awarded contract for reconstructing the NC 68 intersection into an interchange on the north end of the widening project is now scheduled to be completed first, in May 2017. The design-build contract building the rest of I-73 from the PTI Airport to US 220 would also have been completed first due to this delay, but that project's completion date has also been moved back, from April to October 2017. Work is about 1/3 complete on this project.

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #556 on: September 03, 2015, 01:35:14 PM »

I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.

I-74 in Virginia or North Carolina will never be extended to Cincinnati. What gets built in West Virginia will be built as a surface route, and Kentucky already has a perfectly good route linking I-64 to Cincy. It's called the AA Highway. As for WV, the US 35 to OH 32 corridor works pretty well to move traffic from the I-77/Charleston area to Cincy. US 35 is finally going to be completed in WV.

That's good news about US35 being completed in WV. The two lane portion can be a little brutal to travel.

I've also used OH32/US23/US52 to get to I-64 at Huntington, WV from Cincy. My connecting point for the AA Highway is US62/68 at Maysville.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #557 on: September 03, 2015, 01:37:43 PM »

That's why I'll always will support making the NC I-74 into I-79.  At least all you would have to do to connect it to the original I-79 is to add shields along I-77 for it.  And then you don't even have to really do that!
That's a brilliant idea. An I-77/I-79 concurrency isn't even that hard.

I agree. This would put I-79 East of I-77, where it belongs. It's not a problem until later, when it crosses I-95 LOL. At least you wouldn't have I-74 that far South and you wouldn't have the whole US74/I-74 concurrency confusion.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #558 on: September 03, 2015, 07:35:07 PM »

If the US 19 corridor into Beckley is ever upgraded, the multiplex can be further reduced.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #559 on: September 03, 2015, 10:57:44 PM »

If the US 19 corridor into Beckley is ever upgraded, the multiplex can be further reduced.

No way is it ever going to be upgraded.  Too many small roads that have their only connection to that route.  Anyways, now we're getting a tad too close to the fictional part.  So, if you want to continue on the US-19 upgrade to an Interstate, do so in the fictional area. ;)

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #560 on: September 04, 2015, 01:28:14 PM »

The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:



Wrong. Both interstates are connected to I-40 and I-85 as well as each other for now. If US 52 is being upgraded to interstate status, you can add I-77 due to the I-74 connection. Purpose served. The only issue: extend them into other state. As far as I know, I-73 has a chance to be completed to another state (VA or SC) before I-74 does.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #561 on: September 04, 2015, 01:33:30 PM »

At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #562 on: September 04, 2015, 01:37:36 PM »

Seems to me that NC and TX are the two states most serious about Interstate construction! Even if they're stuck with out-of-place routes that may never connect to their original counterparts in our lifetimes.
The reason for this in NC is two-fold: (1) High gas tax, which means more revenue, and (2) the "equity formula" that until a couple years ago directed much of that revenue towards rural freeway construction, to the detriment of urban areas.

Other stub interstates include I-26. The construction of I-26 over Sams Gap on the North Carolina side really is an engineering marvel: 60mph speed limit, very gradual curves, and SIX LANES through extremely mountainous territory. And 12 years after it opened, it carries something like 9000 cars per day. The Tennessee side was completed earlier but is much curvier, has a 55mph speed limit, and only four lanes wide with no room to widen in a median - and IMO is probably a more appropriate design given the amount of traffic it carries.

Interestingly, I-26 and I-74 both have Columbus, OH as a planned northern terminus, so if I-74 is built as planned, I-26 could connect into it maybe somewhere near Williamson, WV, and travelers could just take I-74 north to Columbus from there.
I-74? I-74 is supposed to go to Cincinnati to meet up with the existing section of I-74. If you mean I-73 last I heard I-73 is supposed to end at I-81 in Roanoke, VA because OH and MI put their parts of hold and WV is building there part as a corridor.



Correct. I-73 is proposed to begin/end at I-81 for time being (more likely a very long time since other states are putitng their routes on hold). At least it will connect Roanoke with Greensboro. The road makes sense because Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #563 on: September 04, 2015, 03:51:56 PM »

I've been to a race in Martinsville - you don't need an interstate connection for it. Just better parking.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #564 on: September 04, 2015, 05:25:15 PM »

At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #565 on: September 04, 2015, 05:49:10 PM »

At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #566 on: September 04, 2015, 05:51:42 PM »

At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
I-99 and I-86 are gapped and end at unlogical places. Eh, not as bad as US 319.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #567 on: September 04, 2015, 06:37:04 PM »

At least in NY, the FHWA Division Office is not allowing I-86 sections to be shielded before they are "linked" to other interstates (i.e., isolated sections of "interstate" cannot be shielded as such).

Of course, we're managed by a bunch of people who rarely look outside of the state's borders, so all they'd have to do is point out that southern Texas nonsense with I-2 and the alphabet soup I-69s and say that they're being inconsistent.

Yet FHWA and AASHTO did allow New York to sign I-99 from I-86 to the PA state line.  :bigass:

Only when I-86 had been designated itself since it connected to I-90.
I-99 and I-86 are gapped and end at unlogical places. Eh, not as bad as US 319.

Western I-86 starts at I-90 and ends where it is no longer at acceptable standards to FHWA.

Eastern I-86 connects to I-81; same rules.
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #568 on: September 05, 2015, 12:16:10 AM »

Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #569 on: September 05, 2015, 10:34:49 AM »

Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)

With this criteria (Martinsville Speedway now can seat around 65k people), numerous college towns would need an interstate connection in addition to most other NASCAR venues...

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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #570 on: September 06, 2015, 11:30:16 AM »

I've been to a race in Martinsville - you don't need an interstate connection for it. Just better parking.


Parking isn't the only issue. Traffic is as well. (been there a couple of times as well as living a hour away from there).
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #571 on: September 06, 2015, 11:36:57 AM »

Martinsville needs a interstate connection (especially now that they have Speedway that is often being used for NASCAR races. You need a interstate connection for that).

NOW that they have the speedway? That's only the oldest track on the NASCAR circuit. (With the possible exception of Indy, but that's a relatively recent addition to the schedule.)

With this criteria (Martinsville Speedway now can seat around 65k people), numerous college towns would need an interstate connection in addition to most other NASCAR venues...

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Well under that logic the US 460 Christiansburg/Blacksburg bypass needs to be upgraded to interstate standards so it can become I-781 until I-73 is truly more than a pipe-dream  :-D
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #572 on: September 06, 2015, 01:20:15 PM »

Do not ever count on I-73 being north of I-81.  I think you have a better chance of a meteorite hitting the Empire State Building within a few seconds of me writing this, then you have West Virginia, Ohio, and Michigan building the roadway.
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« Reply #573 on: September 06, 2015, 10:10:38 PM »

West Virginia will not build an interstate. They are building a surface route. Do people not read earlier posts here?
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Re: Interstate 73/74
« Reply #574 on: September 07, 2015, 08:47:30 PM »

The thing is, that I-73/74 will be roads to nowhere for a looooong time, if not forever. Any interstate that doesn't connect to any other = What's the purpose?  :ded:



Wrong. Both interstates are connected to I-40 and I-85 as well as each other for now. If US 52 is being upgraded to interstate status, you can add I-77 due to the I-74 connection. Purpose served. The only issue: extend them into other state. As far as I know, I-73 has a chance to be completed to another state (VA or SC) before I-74 does.

"As of December 2008, Interstate 74 is proposed to follow the path of Interstate 77 through the state of Virginia, but remains unsigned from the West Virginia border to the North Carolina border." (I-74 article in Wikipedia)
If it weren't for that bolded word, I'd say I-74 had a hidden concurrency with I-77 in Virginia...and thus would be completed in that state...
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