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Re: Montana
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2021, 01:51:13 PM »

There have been reservations for parts of national parks for years. You can't just show up and expect to get a camping site without a reservation. You can't just expect to start a multi-day backpacking hike without reserving camping sites, and can't just camp wherever you want.

The fact is, whether you like it or not, the National Park Service has the obligation to protect the park and preserve it, not "the responsibility of the individual". There is no "right" to unlimited access to the park just because you say so. The NPS has the obligation to determine whether or not current visitor loads are too excessive for the park, and to put restrictions in place to ensure the integrity of the park.

Also, the reservation is not a specific time for entrance. It's a reservation that lasts for 7 days, and you can enter and leave as many times as you want during that period. This isn't a big deal, and it won't restrict people from visiting the park, so long as they do just a tiny bit of planning ahead.
I値l respond to this later as a lot of what you said is just borderline strawmans but never once did I claim you can camp anywhere you want and nor did I claim you are guaranteed camping. I spent around 100 days camping last year I知 pretty familiar with it and I値l respond more in detail in a bit.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2021, 02:02:15 PM »

PS I知 just going to create a new thread for this cause I realize I have hijacked thread sorry but this is an issue but I care deeply about.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2021, 03:08:17 PM »

I値l respond to this later as a lot of what you said is just borderline strawmans but never once did I claim you can camp anywhere you want and nor did I claim you are guaranteed camping. I spent around 100 days camping last year I知 pretty familiar with it and I値l respond more in detail in a bit.

Nothing strawman about my argument. There are precedents within the NPS for how many people can use certain aspects of the park at a time, and reservations are required to ensure that. They're just implementing reservations for how many people can drive the Going-to-the-Sun Road, as the reservations are only for private vehicle access through the West and St. Mary's entrances of the park between Memorial Day and Labor Day. You can walk or bike through those entrances without a reservation. You can stay in the hotels in the park and the reservation for that stay covers the reservation for the entrance. You can ride the classic red bus into the park and that covers the reservation. So no strawman here, just showing precedent for reservations within NPS.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2021, 03:25:31 PM »

I think one solution to the problem of overcrowded national parks that doesn't involve reservations is simply to limit capacity at the entrances - something along the lines of "we aren't allowed to let more than X cars into the park in a Y minute span".

Arches had to do this last week. Other than the resulting long line to enter the park, it seemed to work just fine.

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Re: Montana
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2021, 06:49:00 PM »

Also, the reservation is not a specific time for entrance. It's a reservation that lasts for 7 days, and you can enter and leave as many times as you want during that period. This isn't a big deal, and it won't restrict people from visiting the park, so long as they do just a tiny bit of planning ahead.

This isn't entirely accurate. While yes, one entry is valid for 7 days, you MUST enter the park on the specific day you make the reservation for. So if you make a reservation for July 10, you MUST enter the park on July 10. You can return as many times as you want from the 11th through the 16th (assuming they aren't turning people away because it's at capacity), but ONLY if you entered the park on the 10th. You can't make a reservation for the 10th and then not show up until the 14th.

And the above is only true for Glacier. Rocky Mountain is doing timed entries this summer - you have to reserve a 2 hour window to arrive within.

I visited some national parks with reservations last year, and I'll be visiting more this year (including Glacier). The reservations are annoying, but I think they're necessary given how crowded they've gotten. My only real complaint is that reservations MUST be made online (which excludes anyone without internet access), and how NPS insists they're free, then turns around and charges you a $2 fee to make one.

I definitely prefer a reservation system over just limiting capacity at the entrance though. It's much more conducive to visiting parks as part of a cross-country road trip, especially if you just want to drive through.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2021, 08:02:23 PM »

I made a thread here for discussing reservations and public lands access.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28984.msg2593987#new
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