Pennsylvania

[Rothman]

...unlike New York that considers interstate/ state route combinations as one continuous route.

NY considers I- and NY- routes separate, with distinct reference markers/milepoints for each.

[vdeane]

...unlike New York that considers interstate/ state route combinations as one continuous route.

NY considers I- and NY- routes separate, with distinct reference markers/milepoints for each.

Internally, at least.  Signage is another matter.

[Rothman]

...unlike New York that considers interstate/ state route combinations as one continuous route.

NY considers I- and NY- routes separate, with distinct reference markers/milepoints for each.

Internally, at least.  Signage is another matter.

Interstate portions have Interstate shields, state route portions have state route shields?

[Bitmapped]

I was wondering why PA 283 wasn't given the route number 300, being the state inventories it as SR 0300.  Considering that you have an interstate numbered 283 as well, and both aren't continuation of each other as PennDOT considers them separate routes unlike New York that considers interstate/ state route combinations as one continuous route.

Might as well be a different number too.

PA 283 functions as a continuation of I-283. That number was chosen to reflect it.

[vdeane]

...unlike New York that considers interstate/ state route combinations as one continuous route.

NY considers I- and NY- routes separate, with distinct reference markers/milepoints for each.

Internally, at least.  Signage is another matter.

Interstate portions have Interstate shields, state route portions have state route shields?

They also have unified mile markers and exit numbers (well, except NY 481, but that's a recent development and I-481 is going away).  Having grown up in the part of the state where routes are just "390", "490", and "590", I'm not even sure how many people even process that there's a significance to the shields being different.  Even around Albany where everything is "interstate" or "route", NY 787 is still referred to "I-787" frequently.

[Rothman]

...unlike New York that considers interstate/ state route combinations as one continuous route.

NY considers I- and NY- routes separate, with distinct reference markers/milepoints for each.

Internally, at least.  Signage is another matter.

Interstate portions have Interstate shields, state route portions have state route shields?

They also have unified mile markers and exit numbers (well, except NY 481, but that's a recent development and I-481 is going away).  Having grown up in the part of the state where routes are just "390", "490", and "590", I'm not even sure how many people even process that there's a significance to the shields being different.  Even around Albany where everything is "interstate" or "route", NY 787 is still referred to "I-787" frequently.

But I-787 crosses the Collar City Bridge... :>

[coldshoulder]

Does anyone know if there were ever any plans to build a southern bypass of Sharon? Just over the state line in Ohio, OH 82 take a sharp SE turn before it ends in a cloverleaf at US 62. The I-376 freeway from Pittsburgh ends at PA 18 southeast of Sharon, and then continues NW into Sharon proper as PA 760 and PA 718.

Both of these are logical endpoints for their respective routes, but they also look like a gap that could plausibly be connected as an alternative route (with US 422) between Pittsburgh and Cleveland.

I remember reading or hearing long ago that the eastern section of OH-82 you referenced was once considered as a plausible alternative corridor for I-80.  But the way both roads you describe turned out, you'd have to think there had been some coordination between Ohio and Pennsylvania DOT's (in the late 50's/early 60's) to have their endpoints line up so as to potentially connect at some future time.

However during that era there were steel mills and other thriving industrial facilities smack dab in the middle of the route that would connect the two roads, not to mention the low-lying wetlands and the Shenango River which snakes through that area ~ which would make construction of a connecting freeway an engineering challenge to say the least.

The OH-82 / US-62 cloverleaf interchange in retrospect was overbuilt as planners apparently assumed the booming steel industry facilities nearby would continue forever.  And in some respect the cloverleaf interchange at I-80 / I-376 (formerly PA-60) could also be looked at as overbuilt (or underbuilt ?) with 1960's-era tight turn radius with short merge / weave stretches. 

[74/171FAN]

(Also for US 22 and PA 143)  PennDOT - District 5 News: Upcoming Lane Closures for I-78 Lenhartsville Bridge Replacement Project

[theredheadted]

Hi all! I searched and didn't find anything about this. I was out for a drive through western PA (Pittsburgh to Clymer, NY, and back along the Allegheny River via Oil City to Pittsburgh). Around Oil City, Franklin, and some other towns in that area, there were these yellow signs that said "ARE YOUR TURN SIGNALS ON ?" I've never seen anything like that anywhere else. Is it just a local awareness campaign or something? I was curious if you all knew anything about it.

The below is the example on US62W outside of Franklin, PA.

 

[The Ghostbuster]

Never seen a sign like that before. Are your turn signals on?

[Bitmapped]

I found another member of the unstriped PennDOT traffic route club today - PA 221 between Plum Sock Road in Washington County and Garner Run Road in Greene County. This road has an AADT of 550 and previously had a centerline, but it was not replaced in either county following the last chip-sealing done in 2022 and 2023. There are no pavement markings whatsoever in the affected stretch.

The only other traffic route I've encountered that had no pavement markings was PA 284 in Lycoming County, which has an AADT of 100.

PennDOT's Pavement Marking Handbook indicates both roads should be striped since they're traffic routes at least 16 feet wide. That makes sense to me - there is a certain expectation of standards that goes along with something being signed with a state route marker. If the routes aren't important enough to justify even striping a centerline, it seems like PennDOT should consider if they should be downgraded to a quadrant route.

Has anyone encountered any other stretches of unmarked traffic routes in PA?

[Bitmapped]

Hi all! I searched and didn't find anything about this. I was out for a drive through western PA (Pittsburgh to Clymer, NY, and back along the Allegheny River via Oil City to Pittsburgh). Around Oil City, Franklin, and some other towns in that area, there were these yellow signs that said "ARE YOUR TURN SIGNALS ON ?" I've never seen anything like that anywhere else. Is it just a local awareness campaign or something? I was curious if you all knew anything about it.

The below is the example on US62W outside of Franklin, PA.

 

I've seen them throughout the state, although I couldn't point to other examples off the top of my head. They're used in locations with slight-angle turns where people might have turned on their turn signals, but there is a history of the turn not being enough to cause the turn signals to turn off automatically. Stuff like wye intersections or where there is a bypass ramp, like the photographed example on US 62 southbound just after PA 8.

[74/171FAN]

I found another member of the unstriped PennDOT traffic route club today - PA 221 between Plum Sock Road in Washington County and Garner Run Road in Greene County. This road has an AADT of 550 and previously had a centerline, but it was not replaced in either county following the last chip-sealing done in 2022 and 2023. There are no pavement markings whatsoever in the affected stretch.

The only other traffic route I've encountered that had no pavement markings was PA 284 in Lycoming County, which has an AADT of 100.

PennDOT's Pavement Marking Handbook indicates both roads should be striped since they're traffic routes at least 16 feet wide. That makes sense to me - there is a certain expectation of standards that goes along with something being signed with a state route marker. If the routes aren't important enough to justify even striping a centerline, it seems like PennDOT should consider if they should be downgraded to a quadrant route.

Has anyone encountered any other stretches of unmarked traffic routes in PA?

Most of PA 127 and PA 666, and PA 227 east of Neilltown from last weekend.

[Bitmapped]

I found another member of the unstriped PennDOT traffic route club today - PA 221 between Plum Sock Road in Washington County and Garner Run Road in Greene County. This road has an AADT of 550 and previously had a centerline, but it was not replaced in either county following the last chip-sealing done in 2022 and 2023. There are no pavement markings whatsoever in the affected stretch.

Has anyone encountered any other stretches of unmarked traffic routes in PA?

Most of PA 127 and PA 666, and PA 227 east of Neilltown from last weekend.

Interesting. I've been on those roads before and didn't remember them being unstriped. Looked at Street View, and sure enough, they had centerlines (and even some edgelines with PA 666) on sections that are unstriped now. PA 284, the other road I've seen unstriped, was without pavement markings in 2008 GMSV imagery.