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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2019, 10:47:10 AM »

Plus it wasn't regarding the numbering (which is interesting mainly because the plan was to use 4A/4B for a while), but about configuration.  Part of me wonders if they thought the queue would be too much for a single interchange and wanted redundancy to split the queue.

Judging by the signs, they want westbound (airport) traffic to use Exit 3. The weird thing is that the new Exit 3 will likely be faster for those heading to eastbound Albany-Shaker, since the new loop will allow for one right turn instead of the current two left turns using Exit 4.

The only reason I can see to use Exit 4 is as a "shortcut" to the airport and points west, and for those with destinations between 155 and the airport. I don't know what traffic is usually like, so hard for me to say if people making those two movements are enough to justify the extra ramp. I guess either way there is no harm done in keeping it; probably just as cheap to tie it in to the Northway as remove it.

Exit 4 will still be easier for those of us who use Park & Fly
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2019, 10:50:19 AM »

I would presume they're retaining a southbound Exit 4 in order to serve that industrial area between the south end of the airport and the Northway without overloading the southbound Exit 5 ramp.

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Makes sense.  Didn't the original drawings that included I-687 showed Wolf Road still having its own interchange?

I've never seen these.  Do they exist somewhere?
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2019, 11:57:35 AM »

I would presume they're retaining a southbound Exit 4 in order to serve that industrial area between the south end of the airport and the Northway without overloading the southbound Exit 5 ramp.

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Makes sense.  Didn't the original drawings that included I-687 showed Wolf Road still having its own interchange?

I've never seen these.  Do they exist somewhere?

Can't remember where I saw them,  it was quite a while ago.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2019, 02:51:33 PM »

Plus it wasn't regarding the numbering (which is interesting mainly because the plan was to use 4A/4B for a while), but about configuration.  Part of me wonders if they thought the queue would be too much for a single interchange and wanted redundancy to split the queue.

Judging by the signs, they want westbound (airport) traffic to use Exit 3. The weird thing is that the new Exit 3 will likely be faster for those heading to eastbound Albany-Shaker, since the new loop will allow for one right turn instead of the current two left turns using Exit 4.

The only reason I can see to use Exit 4 is as a "shortcut" to the airport and points west, and for those with destinations between 155 and the airport. I don't know what traffic is usually like, so hard for me to say if people making those two movements are enough to justify the extra ramp. I guess either way there is no harm done in keeping it; probably just as cheap to tie it in to the Northway as remove it.

The final plan is to keep the existing Exit 4 ramp, but traffic using it will only be allowed to turn right (south) onto Wolf Rd.  To get to Albany-Shaker Rd will require using the new flyover ramp.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2019, 07:52:07 PM »

Plus it wasn't regarding the numbering (which is interesting mainly because the plan was to use 4A/4B for a while), but about configuration.  Part of me wonders if they thought the queue would be too much for a single interchange and wanted redundancy to split the queue.

Judging by the signs, they want westbound (airport) traffic to use Exit 3. The weird thing is that the new Exit 3 will likely be faster for those heading to eastbound Albany-Shaker, since the new loop will allow for one right turn instead of the current two left turns using Exit 4.

The only reason I can see to use Exit 4 is as a "shortcut" to the airport and points west, and for those with destinations between 155 and the airport. I don't know what traffic is usually like, so hard for me to say if people making those two movements are enough to justify the extra ramp. I guess either way there is no harm done in keeping it; probably just as cheap to tie it in to the Northway as remove it.

The final plan is to keep the existing Exit 4 ramp, but traffic using it will only be allowed to turn right (south) onto Wolf Rd.  To get to Albany-Shaker Rd will require using the new flyover ramp.
The exit 4 SB ramp to Old Wolf Road (current end of the c/d roadway) is also being preserved.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2019, 11:38:24 AM »

Plus it wasn't regarding the numbering (which is interesting mainly because the plan was to use 4A/4B for a while), but about configuration.  Part of me wonders if they thought the queue would be too much for a single interchange and wanted redundancy to split the queue.
Judging by the signs, they want westbound (airport) traffic to use Exit 3. The weird thing is that the new Exit 3 will likely be faster for those heading to eastbound Albany-Shaker, since the new loop will allow for one right turn instead of the current two left turns using Exit 4.

The only reason I can see to use Exit 4 is as a "shortcut" to the airport and points west, and for those with destinations between 155 and the airport. I don't know what traffic is usually like, so hard for me to say if people making those two movements are enough to justify the extra ramp. I guess either way there is no harm done in keeping it; probably just as cheap to tie it in to the Northway as remove it.
The final plan is to keep the existing Exit 4 ramp, but traffic using it will only be allowed to turn right (south) onto Wolf Rd.  To get to Albany-Shaker Rd will require using the new flyover ramp.

As noted, I was talking about southbound, while the quote from Froggie refers to northbound.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2019, 07:46:03 PM »

Also worth noting that the decision to keep the existing southbound Exit 4 ramp to Old Wolf Rd is a recent decision, made well after my January post.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #32 on: July 17, 2019, 10:52:49 AM »

As someone that has worked directly on this project, I can confirm that the change to make it Exit 3 and alter, rather than remove, the existing Exit 4 SB ramp is very recent and was done purely due to the Governor wanting an Exit 3. There was no engineering logic behind it and it actually goes against federal guidance on interchange spacing. It also will likely be adding millions to the construction cost. The initial design had years of decision making behind it, but we're changing it due to one man's wishes.

I apologize for the rant, but seeing so many people's hard work scrapped for no reason would get to anyone.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2019, 11:58:49 AM »

As someone that has worked directly on this project, I can confirm that the change to make it Exit 3 and alter, rather than remove, the existing Exit 4 SB ramp is very recent and was done purely due to the Governor wanting an Exit 3. There was no engineering logic behind it and it actually goes against federal guidance on interchange spacing. It also will likely be adding millions to the construction cost. The initial design had years of decision making behind it, but we're changing it due to one man's wishes.

I apologize for the rant, but seeing so many people's hard work scrapped for no reason would get to anyone.

Typical with the Princess.  He thinks he's the Emperor or something, and subsequently thinks he owns the state and the subjects and objects within.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2019, 01:14:06 PM »

Yes, but think of the children!  According to the governor, generations of kids have learned to count "1, 2, 4" because there's been no Exit 3 all this time.  Yes, he really said that.  See around 15:30 of the video linked on his office's page about this:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/after-50-years-delay-governor-cuomo-announces-new-exit-3-improve-accessibility-albany
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2019, 01:43:04 PM »

Yes, but think of the children!  According to the governor, generations of kids have learned to count "1, 2, 4" because there's been no Exit 3 all this time.  Yes, he really said that.  See around 15:30 of the video linked on his office's page about this:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/after-50-years-delay-governor-cuomo-announces-new-exit-3-improve-accessibility-albany

Which is bunk....  I certainly didn't learn how to count by the exits on the Northway.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #36 on: July 17, 2019, 08:46:30 PM »

If he wanted an exit 3 that bad, he could have just done it.  The NB exit to Wolf Road that was always in the plan would have worked as exit 4.  Or he could have renumbered all of the exits from 4 to 8A.
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Re: Northway Exit 3 Project
« Reply #37 on: July 17, 2019, 09:26:35 PM »

Yes, but think of the children!  According to the governor, generations of kids have learned to count "1, 2, 4" because there's been no Exit 3 all this time.  Yes, he really said that.  See around 15:30 of the video linked on his office's page about this:

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/after-50-years-delay-governor-cuomo-announces-new-exit-3-improve-accessibility-albany
This is exactly why mileage-based exits are a bad idea.
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