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Re: Hampton Roads and Montreal: June 14 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2019, 01:33:56 PM »

The traffic on I-64 through the tunnels can be worse than anywhere in Boston.
If so, does the 3MBT serve as a favorable alternate? Heck, even the James River Bridge? I'd like to dodge traffic as best I can, but I know that the bridges and tunnels are the chokepoints in Hampton Roads.
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Re: Hampton Roads and Montreal: June 14 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2019, 01:34:14 PM »

All I know is that almost every time I've been down to Hampton Roads, the traffic jams on I-64 were quite epic.

Not I-95 south of DC epic, but epic nonetheless.
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Re: Hampton Roads and Montreal: June 14 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2019, 01:38:24 PM »

Depending on your origin/destination, the Monitor-Merrimac can be a useful alternative and I would actually suggest that if your O/D is in/near downtown.  When I lived near downtown, I'd often hop the Midtown Tunnel to 164 to the Monitor-Merrimac mainly because I was only a few minutes from the Midtown and it was mostly limited-access, whereas to go from downtown to 64 more directly either requires several miles of city street (as for which one, "pick your poison") or heading out of your way east on 264 to catch 64.
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2019, 07:48:31 PM »

As you can tell by yet another thread title change, it's time to head to Boston. I've also decided to post a full itinerary.

June 13th - Driving Day

Chambersburg, PA to Saugus, MA
Leave in the morning
Route: I-81 -> I-78 -> US 22 (-> PA 33 -> local roads -> PA 611 -> Portland-Columbia Bridge) or (Belvidere Road -> CR 519) -> I-80 -> I-287 -> Hutch Pkwy.(yes, I know about Westchester Avenue C/D movement) -> CT 15/Merritt Pkwy. -> CT 8 -> I-84 -> I-90 -> (Boston roads; unsure of how to navigate this)

Comments: No clue if PA 611 is more scenic than Belvidere Road/CR 519. I know PA 611 runs along the Delaware River, and I just barely miss out on the Delaware Water Gap, but I haven't really explored that area of New Jersey. We'll also arrive in Boston in the middle of rush hour, so I'm unsure how to navigate the area. I suppose avoiding I-93 would be a good start.

After Arrival: Visit Walden Pond

June 14th - Lowell and Salem
Tour: Lowell Mill sites and museums, town of Salem and witch trial sites, visit any interesting museums, and clip the New Hampshire state line
Time permits: TBA

June 15th - Greater Boston
Tour: Lexington and Concord (including the battlefield), Walden Pond
Time permits: Plymouth

June 16th - Boston Day 1
Tour: Colonial era sites - Boston Massacre & Old State House, Old North Church, Boston Commons, Boston Harbor, Old South Meetinghouse, Bunker & Breed's Hill, USS Constitution
Time permits: Museum of Fine Arts
Dinner: Food stands...somewhere. Visit Cheers Bar for bragging rights.

June 17th - Boston Day 2
Tour: MIT, Harvard, Boston University (maybe?), JFK's House, Museum of Fine Arts
Time permits: TBA

June 18th - Boston Day 3
Tour: Definitely Museum of Fine Arts, JFK Library, Massachusetts State House?, other museums
Time permits: TBA

June 19th - Martha's Vineyard
Tour: Jaws film sites, something else

Route Home: Woods Hole Ferry -> Woods Hole Road -> MA 28 -> MA 25 -> I-195 -> MA-RI 24 -> RI 114 -> Newport streets -> RI 138 -> RI 4 -> RI 102 -> I-95 -> I-287 -> Hutch Pkwy -> Cross County Pkwy -> Henry Hudson Pkwy -> I-95 -> I-78 -> I-81

June 20th - Chambersburg
Rest and prepare for Montreal

June 21st - In transito

Chambersburg, PA to Longueuil, QC
Route: I-81 -> I-88 -> I-90 -> I-87 -> A-15 -> A-20
Leave in the morning, arrive in the evening
Time permits: TBA

Comments: It's basic, mostly because I have nowhere in mind. It hits all the scenic spots I want; I-88, Northway, etc.

June 22nd - Montreal Day 1
Tour: Biosphere, Phi Centre
Time permits: TBA

June 23rd - Montreal Day 2
Tour: Walk around Montreal, see the sites; Mount Royal, dinner at Au Pie du Cochon

June 24th & 25th - Montreal Days 3 & 4
Tour Montreal

June 26th - Greater Montreal
Tour: Laurentides, First Nations, lunch at La Maison amérindienne (First Nations restaurant + museum), dinner at Sucrerie de la Montagne

June 27th - Ottawa
Tour: Parliament, Gatineau

Evening of June 27th - Afternoon of June 28th (possibly)
Head home, via ON 417 -> ON 416 -> ON 401 -> Thousand Islands Bridge -> I-81
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2019, 11:29:47 PM »

If you want to avoid NYC going up,  stay on NJ/NY 94  to NY 300 to I-84 in Newburgh after the Portland Toll Bridge.  Some nice scenery as you pass along the NW spine of NJ, plus an Appalachian Trail crossing and some hilly terrain in NY state.
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2019, 11:53:47 PM »

Got a reminder of how miserable driving in eastern MA can be today:

Typically takes 3 hours for me to drive to Salem from Albany  Today it took 4, due to an accident in a work zone on the Pike and then other incidents that clogged alternate routes (e.g., people had to rubberneck to see a stoner get arrested and his car searched on I-495).  Couldn't dodge any traffic snarls today.

Still stupefied at cars slowing down on upgrades on the Pike.  I don't remember it being such a problem when I was a kid, but for the last few trips between Boston and Albany, it's reached epidemic levels.

Good luck!
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2019, 08:53:23 PM »

If you want to avoid NYC going up,  stay on NJ/NY 94  to NY 300 to I-84 in Newburgh after the Portland Toll Bridge.  Some nice scenery as you pass along the NW spine of NJ, plus an Appalachian Trail crossing and some hilly terrain in NY state.
I've heard glowing reviews for CT 8, however, and I've heard that the Merritt is an interesting ride. I also want to check out the new Tappan Zee bridge for myself. The Goog estimates that this adds an hour to my trip, but based on your experiences (and others, if they choose to chime in) do you think staying on I-287 and encountering any possible traffic could offset that additional hour?

Got a reminder of how miserable driving in eastern MA can be today:

Typically takes 3 hours for me to drive to Salem from Albany  Today it took 4, due to an accident in a work zone on the Pike and then other incidents that clogged alternate routes (e.g., people had to rubberneck to see a stoner get arrested and his car searched on I-495).  Couldn't dodge any traffic snarls today.

Still stupefied at cars slowing down on upgrades on the Pike.  I don't remember it being such a problem when I was a kid, but for the last few trips between Boston and Albany, it's reached epidemic levels.

Good luck!
I did consider the Pike being a possible issue...would it make sense to head up to MA 2 as an alternate? Maybe even US 20, if MA 2 is too far out of the way?

I apologize for the questions, but this is completely unexplored territory for me north of I-78. I've only been to New England once.
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2019, 09:45:55 PM »

At least on Saturday, it didn't matter which way you went on or inside of I-495.  There were slowdowns on every route.

The issue with MA 2 is that it really isn't convenient from the south.  Cutting that far north and over kills your time anyway, if you're caring about time.

That said, from western MA, like Northampton or Amherst, MA 2 becomes a much more attractive option.  My family preferred MA 2 to get to the western suburbs from that area.
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2019, 10:24:30 PM »

The issue with MA 2 is that it really isn't convenient from the south.  Cutting that far north and over kills your time anyway, if you're caring about time.
I'm not terribly concerned about time, but I do want to try to minimize time spent in traffic jams. It'd be nice to do something in Boston, but it's not a must.

I should also clarify that the hotel I'm staying in is in Saugus, so I was considering taking MA 2 in and hooking around via I-95 or zig-zagging through Somerville to reach I-93 and make it to Saugus somehow. I thought that it'd be better than trying to chance the Pike and I-93 in the midst of rush hour. Again, I'm no native, so I'm guessing trying to get inside I-495 without traffic during a weekday rush hour is like trying to break a window with a fluffy pillow.
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2019, 10:47:29 PM »

Keep in mind MA 16 can be an exciting drive (Alewife Brook Parkway) -- very narrow lanes, bad signage and speeding traffic.

The cloverleaf at I-95/I-93 is a horrible chokepoint.  Development has pretty much ensured it will never be updated.

That all said, just stick to a plan and take the traffic as it comes.
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Re: Boston and Montreal: June 13 - 19, 21 - 27 2019
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2019, 08:32:52 AM »

The Merritt and Wilbur Cross are indeed a nice scenic respite from the Interstate. I believe the tunnel is on the Wilbur Cross—the only highway tunnel in Connecticut, if I recall correctly.

Edited to add: That's not to mean there wouldn't be traffic on the Merritt, of course!
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