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Ok, so when US-64 and US-264 were both going to be designated as an interstate, what the fuck is NCDOT doing?!?! If anything, I would make an I-46 and I-99 from Raleigh to Norfolk and have the route have TO I-99 signs!!!! Also, make an I-44 from Raleigh to Washington, NC would be a great idea!!

Also, make a I-246 if you can't do I-44.

What is up with the East End Connector and the Winston-salem Northern Beltway? Aren't those supposed to be fucking done by now?? I hope NCDOT doesn't have projects that would be delayed. It pisses me off and I'm sure it makes me and everyone feel like shit!!!!

Greenville urban projects like Allen Rd, Firetower rd, 14th st widening and Evans widening are all delayed to 2024. And what's up with the US 29 601 interchange?!?!?!?!?! Is this a fucking joke? It was originally supposed to be complete in summer 2018. But did it get pushed back 2 years or are they just taking a break? This is ridiculous.

Making US 1 a freeway?!?!?!?! What that will do with anything??? Will it EVER happen because it got pushed back? I'm like really. Holy shit!!
I'm guessing is due to budget issues and as i said, NCDOT takes FOREVER to get stuff done.

This is the end of my rant, goodbye.
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (WARNING! Extreme language)
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2019, 06:40:13 PM »

Geeze...Id hate to find out what your opinion on stuff like CA 99, CA 210 and CA 905 would be.  North Carolina is probably one of the more aggressive states presently in attempting to pursue new Interstate designations. 
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (WARNING! Extreme language)
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2019, 08:20:49 PM »

East End Connector is supposed to be done next summer.  It was supposed to be done by the end of 2019.
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (WARNING! Extreme language)
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2019, 09:45:19 PM »

Somehow NCDOT manages to somehow be one of the best DOTs and one of the worst at the same time...
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (WARNING! Extreme language)
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2019, 09:54:04 PM »

I have to admit, I got a good laugh out of the concept of the NCDOT snail-fucking division.
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (WARNING! Extreme language)
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2019, 10:17:53 PM »

Somehow NCDOT manages to somehow be one of the best DOTs and one of the worst at the same time...
I say they are good at planning and building highways and not so good when it comes to making new interstates. Like who in the hell would design US 70 as I-36 (NCDOT's original idea)? AASHTO made it I-42 because it fits in the grid. I think NCDOT needs to learn how the interstate highway system works.
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (WARNING! Extreme language)
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2019, 10:29:41 PM »

Ouch... I can't speak for North Carolina as I have never been there. Sometimes, I wonder why crucial infrastructure here is simply pushed to the side, like the Bella Vista Bypass. Missouri voters have voted down taxes that benefit transportation time and time again, which may be a contributing factor.
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2019, 10:33:45 AM »

OK boomer
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2019, 10:35:15 AM »

OK boomer

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Re: Angry rant about road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2019, 10:50:03 AM »

There's some big boomer energy up in here.
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2019, 12:09:08 PM »

Alright guys, let's get back on topic.

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Why the hell do we have I-74 in North Carolina?

Why isn't the Winston-Salem northern beltway a complete (full 360) beltway?!

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/TPBCTP/Winston%20Salem/WSMPO_CTP_Highway.pdf

What happened to the part that would connect goddamn I-74 to US 158? Is that project scrapped or what?! Idk....

What happened to the airport connector? That would have been a new freeway (with tolls) that would connect to the airport and I could possibly use my proposed I-48 to going there! They left no space for any extension. Maybe they want to widen I-40 instead?? Instead of widening highways, why don't you build new ones?! That would help traffic flow and not fuck around with the traffic on existing highways.

Airport connector and US 158 and I-74 connector
http://prntscr.com/q7lk88

Southern Winston-salem beltway
http://prntscr.com/q7lkim


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This interchange NEEDS to be a FREE FLOWING interchange! If you want an interstate coming here.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2606157,-78.0832955,15.08z
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2019, 12:18:51 PM »

I would recommend that the title of this rant be changed to "Angry rant about NCDOT" since it is the common denominator to all the problems brought up in the rant.
It was a good move on my part to take a screenshot of the original rant.
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Re: Angry rant about road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2019, 12:22:55 PM »

I would recommend that the title of this rant be changed to "Angry rant about NCDOT" since it is the common denominator to all the problems brought up in the rant.
It was a good move on my part to take a screenshot of the original rant.
Alright, I changed the title of the thread.
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2019, 01:19:31 PM »

It was a good move on my part to take a screenshot of the original rant.

I have to admit, I got a good laugh out of the concept of the NCDOT snail-fucking division.

Now I want to know what the original rant was...
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2019, 05:24:50 PM »

Now I want to know what the original rant was...
Just the word "f--k" used a lot more.
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2019, 05:29:58 PM »

I think making all of US 1 a freeway would be a good idea, it would help spur economic development in Franklin and Vance Counties north of Raleigh.  Pfizer in Lee County probably doesn't get built if US 1 is not a full freeway from Sanford to Raleigh. 

South of Sanford making US 1 a freeway would make the Southern Pines-Moore County more desirable to retirees, although the allure of golf at Pinehurst is a good start, and if you continue the freeway to Rockingham maybe tie it into the I-73 corridor and maybe NASCAR will come back to Rockingham Raceway.

As for Greenville projects getting pushed back, I think that city still gets the "it's a small town in the middle of nowhere" by NCDOT, similar to the "it's a little beach town" mentality that Wilmington is STILL to a lot of NCDOT bureaucrats.
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2019, 06:21:18 PM »

I think making all of US 1 a freeway would be a good idea, it would help spur economic development in Franklin and Vance Counties north of Raleigh.  Pfizer in Lee County probably doesn't get built if US 1 is not a full freeway from Sanford to Raleigh. 

South of Sanford making US 1 a freeway would make the Southern Pines-Moore County more desirable to retirees, although the allure of golf at Pinehurst is a good start, and if you continue the freeway to Rockingham maybe tie it into the I-73 corridor and maybe NASCAR will come back to Rockingham Raceway.

As for Greenville projects getting pushed back, I think that city still gets the "it's a small town in the middle of nowhere" by NCDOT, similar to the "it's a little beach town" mentality that Wilmington is STILL to a lot of NCDOT bureaucrats.
?? US 1 already is a full freeway between Raleigh and Sanford, although it would need some upgrades to reach interstate standards. There's a stoplight at NC 78 in Tramway, just south of Sanford, but most of US 1 from there almost to Southern Pines is a near-freeway with only two at-grade intersections, both in the "smart" configuration. The Sandor-Southern Pines section was upgraded to support major golf tournaments in the Pinehurst area.
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2019, 12:37:56 PM »

Now I want to know what the original rant was...
Just the word "f--k" used a lot more.

No, he used the word fuck a lot more.

Also there was a bit that was suggested that NCDOT's slow pace on certain projects was due to the organization's desire to have sex with snails. (I'd like to see the minutes of the meeting where that was put on their eight-year plan.)
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2019, 03:19:43 PM »

I'd actually say NCDOT is one of the best DOTs right now. They've done a pretty good job on most of their latest projects. NC freeways look a LOT better and higher quality than they did 30-40 years ago.
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2019, 03:36:41 PM »

I'd actually say NCDOT is one of the best DOTs right now. They've done a pretty good job on most of their latest projects. NC freeways look a LOT better and higher quality than they did 30-40 years ago.

That was might point of contention on the harshness of the original version of the opening post.  There are a lot of DOTs that deserve critical scorn way more than NCDOT does these days.  It
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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2019, 03:45:31 PM »

^ Agree his arguments do have valid concerns, but NCDOT is still getting it done faster than any other state would, even if it's delayed.
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2019, 04:48:35 PM »

Even what I said about them being one of the best and worst DOTs at the same time may be a bit harsh, since there's not a whole lot about their major projects that I can really point to as being downright stupid other than clearly not knowing how 3di numbering directionality works. Well, that and the numbers of I-87 and I-540, but that's another discussion. Of course, I don't live anywhere near NC and have only been there three times, so I don't know anything about minor projects or general maintenance quality.

They may take forever to do any one of their million major projects, but PennDOT for instance takes forever to do any of their major projects that feel like they can be counted on one hand. To steal an analogy I heard about multi-core computer processors, nine women can't make a baby in a month, but they can make nine babies in nine months. I guess all they can do is have a lot of projects in development and that all the design, environmental permitting, ROW acquisition, etc. takes just as long as in every other state.
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2019, 05:07:00 PM »

I'd actually say NCDOT is one of the best DOTs right now. They've done a pretty good job on most of their latest projects. NC freeways look a LOT better and higher quality than they did 30-40 years ago.
I say they are good at planning and building highways and not so good when it comes to making new interstates.

That's what I said... Haha
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Re: Angry rant about NCDOT and their road projects (Language adjusted)
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2019, 01:53:25 PM »

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_0707B_Report-2012.pdf

This project would have been very nice but it's fucked up because they are already developing around the areas when this highway was proposed. Who thinks this would still come out useful? I think I would still like this project without having to widen I-40.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2019, 07:23:53 PM »

https://connect.ncdot.gov/projects/planning/FeasibilityStudiesDocuments/Feasibility-Study_0707B_Report-2012.pdf

This project would have been very nice but it's fucked up because they are already developing around the areas when this highway was proposed. Who thinks this would still come out useful? I think I would still like this project without having to widen I-40.
The project was to build an 8-mile expressway / boulevard between western Greensboro / airport area to High Point to bypass an 8-mile congested 5-lane arterial that currently exists.

Widening I-40 wouldn't do anything, traffic would still largely use NC-68.

It's a valuable connection, and one that could still be built. There's still open land that could carry a readjusted routing, plus there's this thing called right of way acquisition.

Ideally though, this project, if built, should be constructed as a freeway facility with full control of access. The Winston-Salem / High Point / Greensboro triangle is growing, and good connectivity needs to be maintained. It seems like a mistake to construct it as a surface roadway that will get littered with traffic signals and side developments. It's not some local boulevard, it's a key connection between the western side of the Greensboro to High Point that is currently missing (the eastern side already has I-85 as an adequate connection). That local boulevard connection already exists via NC-68. The study indicates the AADT would be over 40,000 in 2040. Over a distance of 12 miles, that's definitely warrants a full freeway. 4-lanes of a 65 mph freeway can easily handle that load, whereas 4-lanes of a 45 mph surface boulevard with traffic lights will be choked.

EDIT - After looking at the design plans closer, it appears the only "arterial" stretches would be a few minor at-grade intersections with likely one traffic signal at Idol Cox Rd, along with utilizing the existing I-74 interchange. My recommendation would be relocate the minor at-grade intersections as frontage road connections or overpasses, the one traffic signal at Idol Cox Rd be replaced with a diamond interchange, and a larger directional interchange constructed south of the existing NC-68 interchange be constructed creating a seamless freeway-to-freeway movement. It's not much changes, the current design is already rural expressway with a few unneeded intersections.
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