Coronavirus pandemic

[NWI_Irish96]

ADA rights do not include the right to put others' health and lives at risk, so businesses still have the right to refuse entry to someone no matter how fancy they've made their sign.

At most, someone would be entitled to after-hours shopping, free delivery, or something of the sort.

[Max Rockatansky]

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That's suspiciously home brew, where was that posted at?

[oscar]

^ See https://www.truthorfiction.com/covid-19-hipaa-face-mask-exemption-passes/ for a discussion (leading to a "Not True" rating) of a similar sign.

As noted above, any required "reasonable accommodation" of a disability precluding face mask wearing could include denying entry to a business (or, for an employee, sending the person home on unpaid leave) until the disability or the pandemic goes away.

A rule requiring mask wearing in public places outdoors, with nobody else nearby, might be a different story. But how many jurisdictions have such a rule?

[hotdogPi]

^ See https://www.truthorfiction.com/covid-19-hipaa-face-mask-exemption-passes/ for a discussion (leading to a "Not True" rating) of a similar sign.

As noted above, any required "reasonable accommodation" of a disability precluding face mask wearing could include denying entry to a business (or, for an employee, sending the person home on unpaid leave) until the disability or the pandemic goes away.

A rule requiring mask wearing in public places outdoors, with nobody else nearby, might be a different story. But how many jurisdictions have such a rule?

A few towns in Massachusetts have done so.

[kalvado]

^ See https://www.truthorfiction.com/covid-19-hipaa-face-mask-exemption-passes/ for a discussion (leading to a "Not True" rating) of a similar sign.

As noted above, any required "reasonable accommodation" of a disability precluding face mask wearing could include denying entry to a business (or, for an employee, sending the person home on unpaid leave) until the disability or the pandemic goes away.

A rule requiring mask wearing in public places outdoors, with nobody else nearby, might be a different story. But how many jurisdictions have such a rule?

A few towns in Massachusetts have done so.

A better question is how they are going to enforce that if mask is readily available and is worn by the time of enforcement effort?
And having mask handy is much weaker and pretty reasonable requirement.

[Max Rockatansky]

^ See https://www.truthorfiction.com/covid-19-hipaa-face-mask-exemption-passes/ for a discussion (leading to a "Not True" rating) of a similar sign.

As noted above, any required "reasonable accommodation" of a disability precluding face mask wearing could include denying entry to a business (or, for an employee, sending the person home on unpaid leave) until the disability or the pandemic goes away.

A rule requiring mask wearing in public places outdoors, with nobody else nearby, might be a different story. But how many jurisdictions have such a rule?

Apparently Fresno does under the wording of "Public Spaces."   But then again when the mayor made the announcement he also stated officers wouldn't be enforcing it per se if someone was walking or exercising alone outside.  It kind of felt like the City didn't think that one through or is just taking the gambit on the vague wording will ensure maximum compliance. 

[bandit957]

Riverside and San Bernardino counties in California just repealed mask rules. I don't think they applied outdoors anyway.

Who wears masks outdoors? It would be easier to just blow a huge bubble with bubble gum that busts all over your face.

[Max Rockatansky]

Riverside and San Bernardino counties in California just repealed mask rules. I don't think they applied outdoors anyway.

Who wears masks outdoors? It would be easier to just blow a huge bubble with bubble gum that busts all over your face.

I don't unless I'm about to go into a building.  If Fresno hadn't made it mandatory I probably wouldn't be wearing one at all...unless a store required it.  Supposedly my gym plans to reopen but with a requirement for people to wear masks, that will be interesting. 

[Tonytone]

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That's suspiciously home brew, where was that posted at?

Found it on Instagram from a very known retired vet/cop that isn't afraid to speak his mind


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[Max Rockatansky]

Heh...He looks like a bag of fun, or at wants to antagonize as many people as possible.  My brother is running around doing stuff like that right now all over social media.

[Tonytone]

Heh...He looks like a bag of fun, or at wants to antagonize as many people as possible.  My brother is running around doing stuff like that right now all over social media.

In terms of what he speaks about he has good points, in other cases ehh not so much.

I notice alot of people are getting tired of mask wearing. Even though you only have to wear them indoors or areas with alot of people.

We could start concerts back up. Everyone just has yo wear a face mask!


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[bandit957]

I'm tired of the national media insisting that whether or not a person wears a mask is a symbol of their political views. My own practices on this (and the practices of other folks I know) contradict what they claim.

It's really a matter of whether it's realistic to wear one depending on what activity you're engaged in.

[02 Park Ave]

ADA rights do not include the right to put others' health and lives at risk, so businesses still have the right to refuse entry to someone no matter how fancy they've made their sign.

At most, someone would be entitled to after-hours shopping, free delivery, or something of the sort.

Are you a robot?  You've said this so many times before on this thread.

[jeffandnicole]

^ See https://www.truthorfiction.com/covid-19-hipaa-face-mask-exemption-passes/ for a discussion (leading to a "Not True" rating) of a similar sign.

As noted above, any required "reasonable accommodation" of a disability precluding face mask wearing could include denying entry to a business (or, for an employee, sending the person home on unpaid leave) until the disability or the pandemic goes away.

A rule requiring mask wearing in public places outdoors, with nobody else nearby, might be a different story. But how many jurisdictions have such a rule?

A few towns in Massachusetts have done so.

A better question is how they are going to enforce that if mask is readily available and is worn by the time of enforcement effort?
And having mask handy is much weaker and pretty reasonable requirement.

Why would you have a mask handy and available if your argument is that it poses a mental or physical risk to you?

Now you just lied about your ADA excuse not to wear a mask, and are in violation for not wearing a mask.

[Max Rockatansky]

Heh...He looks like a bag of fun, or at wants to antagonize as many people as possible.  My brother is running around doing stuff like that right now all over social media.

In terms of what he speaks about he has good points, in other cases ehh not so much.

I notice alot of people are getting tired of mask wearing. Even though you only have to wear them indoors or areas with alot of people.

We could start concerts back up. Everyone just has yo wear a face mask!


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The problem with guys like that is that any good points they actually make get buried quickly by an avalanche of inane ranting.  That's kind of how my brother's manifesto on COVID-19 was.  He made actually several good points but went off the deep end about not "trusting scientists and the government"  in a conspiratorial sense. 

[kalvado]

^ See https://www.truthorfiction.com/covid-19-hipaa-face-mask-exemption-passes/ for a discussion (leading to a "Not True" rating) of a similar sign.

As noted above, any required "reasonable accommodation" of a disability precluding face mask wearing could include denying entry to a business (or, for an employee, sending the person home on unpaid leave) until the disability or the pandemic goes away.

A rule requiring mask wearing in public places outdoors, with nobody else nearby, might be a different story. But how many jurisdictions have such a rule?

A few towns in Massachusetts have done so.

A better question is how they are going to enforce that if mask is readily available and is worn by the time of enforcement effort?
And having mask handy is much weaker and pretty reasonable requirement.

Why would you have a mask handy and available if your argument is that it poses a mental or physical risk to you?

Now you just lied about your ADA excuse not to wear a mask, and are in violation for not wearing a mask.

Two different things are messed up here.
ADA approach (and I am withholding my opinion on that) , and
Requirement to wear mask outdoors - IMHO unnecessary when people are far away, but it is wise to have a mask handy in case someone comes close - including an enforcement official

[Tonytone]

Heh...He looks like a bag of fun, or at wants to antagonize as many people as possible.  My brother is running around doing stuff like that right now all over social media.

In terms of what he speaks about he has good points, in other cases ehh not so much.

I notice alot of people are getting tired of mask wearing. Even though you only have to wear them indoors or areas with alot of people.

We could start concerts back up. Everyone just has yo wear a face mask!


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The problem with guys like that is that any good points they actually make get buried quickly by an avalanche of inane ranting.  That's kind of how my brother's manifesto on COVID-19 was.  He made actually several good points but went off the deep end about not "trusting scientists and the government"  in a conspiratorial sense.

100% its the ranting & dismissal of science that makes them sound crazy.

I understand science has good & bad. But so does everything else in life.


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[Max Rockatansky]

Heh...He looks like a bag of fun, or at wants to antagonize as many people as possible.  My brother is running around doing stuff like that right now all over social media.

In terms of what he speaks about he has good points, in other cases ehh not so much.

I notice alot of people are getting tired of mask wearing. Even though you only have to wear them indoors or areas with alot of people.

We could start concerts back up. Everyone just has yo wear a face mask!


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The problem with guys like that is that any good points they actually make get buried quickly by an avalanche of inane ranting.  That's kind of how my brother's manifesto on COVID-19 was.  He made actually several good points but went off the deep end about not "trusting scientists and the government"  in a conspiratorial sense.

100% its the ranting & dismissal of science that makes them sound crazy.

I understand science has good & bad. But so does everything else in life.


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In the case of my brother it got bad enough one time that he told my Mom's doctor during an appointment for cancer treatment options that he was a quack who was in the pocket of the medical industry.  I get it that he really believes in holistic remedies and stuff like that but he has zero understanding of how cancer actually works.  Similarly he made comments in that Facebook post in reference to vaccinations, especially if a COVID-19 vaccine was created.  I don't get why people listen to him at all when does things like that, to me he sounds like a crazy person.  Granted, I don't have circuit training franchise...so maybe that's part of the "brand strategy?"  

[Tonytone]

Heh...He looks like a bag of fun, or at wants to antagonize as many people as possible.  My brother is running around doing stuff like that right now all over social media.

In terms of what he speaks about he has good points, in other cases ehh not so much.

I notice alot of people are getting tired of mask wearing. Even though you only have to wear them indoors or areas with alot of people.

We could start concerts back up. Everyone just has yo wear a face mask!


iPhone

The problem with guys like that is that any good points they actually make get buried quickly by an avalanche of inane ranting.  That's kind of how my brother's manifesto on COVID-19 was.  He made actually several good points but went off the deep end about not "trusting scientists and the government"  in a conspiratorial sense.

100% its the ranting & dismissal of science that makes them sound crazy.

I understand science has good & bad. But so does everything else in life.


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In the case of my brother it got bad enough one time that he told my Mom's doctor during an appointment for cancer treatment options that he was a quack who was in the pocket of the medical industry.  I get it that he really believes in holistic remedies and stuff like that but he has zero understanding of how cancer actually works.  Similarly he made comments in that Facebook post in reference to vaccinations, especially if a COVID-19 vaccine was created.  I don't get why people listen to him at all when does things like that, to me he sounds like a crazy person.  Granted, I don't have circuit training franchise...so maybe that's part of the "brand strategy?"  

I wonder if the people who think vaccines are bad. Would still think the same if they were teleported to a time where medicine was nothing & the only remedy they had was a rock to the head


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[J N Winkler]

Who wears masks outdoors?

I don't.  There is no point.  I normally don't congregate with others outdoors, and wearing a mask dilutes the benefits of exercise.  I am about to embark on my fourth weekly grocery shop with a mask, however (the over-under on masks indoors at supermarkets etc. tipped for me in mid-April).

Supposedly my gym plans to reopen but with a requirement for people to wear masks, that will be interesting.

Our Y has announced it plans to reopen on May 18 and to share specifics of how that will work on May 11 (this Monday).  At this point, I am speculating that equipment availability will take a hit because of social distancing, but I don't know if that will translate to more active users per piece because I expect some vulnerable users (especially the over-65s) to stay away.  The big question is masks--so far I have heard nothing one way or the other.

I expect to be making at least one visit to reconnoiter before I commit to returning to the Y on a regular basis.  If there is a mask requirement, I may wait until that is phased out (or we crash back into lockdown, which is not outside the realm of possibility).

I wonder if the people who think vaccines are bad. Would still think the same if they were teleported to a time where medicine was nothing & the only remedy they had was a rock to the head

There are many theories to account for anti-vaxxers.  While there has long (perhaps always) been opposition to vaccination and inoculation on religious grounds, I hypothesize that a large share of modern anti-vaxxers are looking to free-ride on herd immunity.  You can see the incentive to do so if you look at the COVID-19 herd immunity debate.  We are likely to find (1) immunity, if it exists, can be had only by contracting the disease, and (2) getting COVID-19 sets you up for nasty long-term sequelae (SARS has been correlated with bone tissue necrosis; there are indications that COVID-19 zaps liver function).  Given these factors, it becomes really tempting to avoid getting COVID-19 by letting other people catch it and deal with the health consequences.

[Max Rockatansky]

Heh...He looks like a bag of fun, or at wants to antagonize as many people as possible.  My brother is running around doing stuff like that right now all over social media.

In terms of what he speaks about he has good points, in other cases ehh not so much.

I notice alot of people are getting tired of mask wearing. Even though you only have to wear them indoors or areas with alot of people.

We could start concerts back up. Everyone just has yo wear a face mask!


iPhone

The problem with guys like that is that any good points they actually make get buried quickly by an avalanche of inane ranting.  That's kind of how my brother's manifesto on COVID-19 was.  He made actually several good points but went off the deep end about not "trusting scientists and the government"  in a conspiratorial sense.

100% its the ranting & dismissal of science that makes them sound crazy.

I understand science has good & bad. But so does everything else in life.


iPhone

In the case of my brother it got bad enough one time that he told my Mom's doctor during an appointment for cancer treatment options that he was a quack who was in the pocket of the medical industry.  I get it that he really believes in holistic remedies and stuff like that but he has zero understanding of how cancer actually works.  Similarly he made comments in that Facebook post in reference to vaccinations, especially if a COVID-19 vaccine was created.  I don't get why people listen to him at all when does things like that, to me he sounds like a crazy person.  Granted, I don't have circuit training franchise...so maybe that's part of the "brand strategy?"  

I wonder if the people who think vaccines are bad. Would still think the same if they were teleported to a time where medicine was nothing & the only remedy they had was a rock to the head


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My brother is definitely not a historian and probably couldn't tell you about much of anything that occurred before 1975. 

Regarding the gym I'll be probably back the day it opens during the morning hours.  Most causal members weren't coming by the time the closure came, I doubt they'll be back any time soon.  I'm to understand that wiping down the equipment will be a big thing.  I basically just plan on finding a adjustable bench and camping out there until I'm done with free weight exercises before I move onto machines.  At the very least it will probably stop people from slowing down the pace by wanting to work in or asking for a spot. 

[kphoger]

Question:

What does military aircraft flying overhead have to do with the pandemic?  I've seen a couple of posts now about seeing them, and I don't get the connection.

[Roadgeekteen]

Question:

What does military aircraft flying overhead have to do with the pandemic?  I've seen a couple of posts now about seeing them, and I don't get the connection.

In Massachusetts, military aircraft flew over hospitals to celebrate hospital workers.

[J N Winkler]

What does military aircraft flying overhead have to do with the pandemic?  I've seen a couple of posts now about seeing them, and I don't get the connection.

I think the purpose is the same as banging pots and pans at NHS shift change times in Britain--thanking the healthcare workers on the frontlines.  (While I'm sure the gesture is appreciated, I would personally prefer giving them the security of working with adequate PPE.)

[Tonytone]

Question:

What does military aircraft flying overhead have to do with the pandemic?  I've seen a couple of posts now about seeing them, and I don't get the connection.

Apparently the military aircrafts flying above are leaving chemtrials with more "corona virus or another human harming ingredient"


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