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What interstates/interstate segments shouldn't exist?

Started by planxtymcgillicuddy, January 25, 2020, 08:31:14 PM

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planxtymcgillicuddy

Question is fairly simple enough: What interstates do you believe shouldn't exist?

Hard Mode: I-14, I-180 in Wyoming, I-73, I-74 and I-99 cannot be used  :sombrero:
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Max Rockatansky

I-238 still should be CA 238 if a grid worthy number wasn't available in the X80 family.  I-175 and I-375 in St. Petersburg has questionable value aside from baseball games for the Tampa Bay Rays. 

Big John

I will take I-180, to make it legal I will use Illinois

ilpt4u

#3
Not always a popular opinion in the Ohio River board, but I'm a believer in the 8664 aka remove the Riverfront Elevated Viaduct of I-64 west of Spaghetti Junction in Louisville

Now with the unified I-265 and the completed East End Bridge, I-64 can be rerouted over I-265 between I-64/IN and I-64/KY. Traffic bound for I-65 South and Nashville can use I-264 in KY once crossing the Ohio, or use the new surface boulevard all the way to I-65 downtown

If just the Designation and not the Route itself, one could argue any intrastate 2DI should perhaps be a State Route instead. I am calling out I-88 in IL specifically, but there are countless others. It was fine as IL 5 but was promoted to I status due to the old silly speed limit law

I am shocked that WI's I-41 did not make the "hard mode"  list, tho. I mean, it kinda begs unnecessary, as much as others on that list

sprjus4

Quote from: ilpt4u on January 25, 2020, 09:05:14 PM
I am shocked that WI's I-41 did not make the "hard mode"  list, tho. I mean, it kinda begs unnecessary, as much as others on that list
Parts of I-14 have utility, such as the only serious proposed segment between Killeen / I-35 and College Station / US-190.

I-73, I-74, and I-99 all also have utility, though the numbering can be debated of I-99 and definitely I-74. Nonetheless, the physical freeways have use.

I-41 doesn't provide a direct route between either end, rather it serves the cities in between bound to either end.

Hwy 61 Revisited

I-587 in Kingston, NY. It's literally just another designation for the 28 expressway and doesn't have any exits.
I-380 north of I-84 isn't signed, so they should probably just decommission it.
I-790 in Utica, NY, doesn't have much of a purpose. It should just be called NY 49 and used as collector-distributors for the Thruway.
I-70 inside of 695. If anything, it should just be designated as MD 70, or even removed entirely.
And you may ask yourself, where does that highway go to?
--David Byrne

sbeaver44

Does I-384 need to exist?  Seems Hartford-Providence will never happen.

If we're allowed to just choose designations while leaving the physical route:
I-97
I-790
I-878


1995hoo

I-595 in Maryland. The highway should exist, but there's no need for an Interstate designation. Obviously Maryland agrees!
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ilpt4u

Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2020, 10:11:22 PM
I-595 in Maryland. The highway should exist, but there's no need for an Interstate designation. Obviously Maryland agrees!
I bet Maryland's Transportation Agency takes the Federal Interstate mileage funding for I-595, tho

vdeane

Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on January 25, 2020, 09:56:18 PM
I-790 in Utica, NY, doesn't have much of a purpose. It should just be called NY 49 and used as collector-distributors for the Thruway.
Not much need to extend NY 49 either, unless you're looking for a uniform number for the freeway.  I-790 is overlapped with NY 5 for its entire length, and half if it is also overlapped with NY 8 and NY 12.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Rothman

I don't think anyone really knows the full extent of I-790.  The reference markers in the field are nonsensical.

And that ramp from the C/D WB to NY 5/8/12 SB...
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

froggie

Quote from: ilpt4u on January 25, 2020, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2020, 10:11:22 PM
I-595 in Maryland. The highway should exist, but there's no need for an Interstate designation. Obviously Maryland agrees!
I bet Maryland's Transportation Agency takes the Federal Interstate mileage funding for I-595, tho

The funding you're referring to hasn't existed in almost a decade.

Rothman

Quote from: froggie on January 26, 2020, 08:16:11 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 25, 2020, 10:16:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 25, 2020, 10:11:22 PM
I-595 in Maryland. The highway should exist, but there's no need for an Interstate designation. Obviously Maryland agrees!
I bet Maryland's Transportation Agency takes the Federal Interstate mileage funding for I-595, tho

The funding you're referring to hasn't existed in almost a decade.
What's also incredible is that FHWA hasn't applied their data-driven formulas to apportion funds to the states in years now.  The last few bills have just been mathematical proportions based upon some year's apportionment percentage.

I was actually thinking about how interstate mileage may actually be a variable in apportionments and have just concluded that we are so many years away from when it was last used that it basically doesn't matter in terms of how much states get now.

And, of course, the current bill expires at the end of this FFY.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

SectorZ

I-393 in NH. It's co-signed with US 4 and US 202 its entire length.

GaryV


Ben114

I-189 - Burlington, VT

it's a glorified exit ramp

ilpt4u

Quote from: Ben114 on January 26, 2020, 01:52:12 PM
I-189 - Burlington, VT

it's a glorified exit ramp
So is I-865 in Indy. But its number is sensible, since it replaced I-465 have a 3-way T Interchange with itself

ozarkman417


Hwy 61 Revisited

Would the Central Scranton Expressway in Scranton count, since it's also a glorified exit ramp?
And you may ask yourself, where does that highway go to?
--David Byrne

ozarkman417

Quote from: Hwy 61 Revisited on January 26, 2020, 02:56:40 PM
Would the Central Scranton Expressway in Scranton count, since it's also a glorified exit ramp?
The Central Scranton Expressway isn't an interstate or part of one from my knowledge.

RobbieL2415

I-587 really doesn't need to be signed over NY 28, but it probably is so that NYSDOT can get extra FHWA funding.

sprjus4


DJ Particle

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 25, 2020, 08:39:25 PM
I-238 still should be CA 238 if a grid worthy number wasn't available in the X80 family.  I-175 and I-375 in St. Petersburg has questionable value aside from baseball games for the Tampa Bay Rays.
Add I-395 in Miami to the FL list...  at least I-195 goes over a large bridge.

ErmineNotyours

I-705, Tacoma.  If you're proud of the federal money you've wrested from the Government, then I guess fly that red, white and blue banner.  Otherwise a 1.5 mile Interstate seems strange.  It's especially embarrassing if the state sign makers don't even care that it's an Interstate.


formulanone

Quote from: DJ Particle on January 27, 2020, 02:11:06 AM
Add I-395 in Miami to the FL list...  at least I-195 goes over a large bridge.

On the other hand, it really could be applied across SR 836 / Dolphin Expressway now that a lot of left exit/entrance ramps were removed, and much of the lane drops alleviated. It does serve a lot of traffic (175-210K AADT south of the airport), but since it's a toll facility on both ends, I doubt that the I-395 designation will ever be applied.

I-759, while convenient for I-59 traffic that wants to bypass 3/4 of Gadsden, really could just be "US 431/278 Bypass" or just SR 759 (or another number).