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Max Rockatansky

Jimmy Johnson ended up testing positive for COVID and will be out of today's race.  How that isn't bigger news in the sports world kind of eludes me.  That said, NASCAR currently is set up for a driver to miss races with the huge emphasis on winning races as an entry into the Post Season.


Roadgeekteen

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hbelkins

Quote from: 1 on July 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.

Mike

When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.

Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.

You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?


What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?

Then wear your mask when you are at those places to protect yourself if you feel inclined.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: hbelkins on July 04, 2020, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 03, 2020, 07:57:33 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.

Mike

When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.

Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.

You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?


What if I'm at a restaurant or grocery store sitting or standing close to this person who went to the game?

Then wear your mask when you are at those places to protect yourself if you feel inclined.
https://www.boston25news.com/news/trending/coronavirus-do-masks-protect-you-how-do-you-wear-them-where-do-you-find-them/HOYE2BKYPBDNHO4NUQQNOIQQQY/

read it.
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ixnay

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 04, 2020, 03:05:53 PM
Bills fans, however, won't be able to attend games.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/7/2/21311084/no-fans-will-be-allowed-at-new-era-field-during-covid-19-pandemic-per-new-guidelines-new-york-state

But Univ. at Buffalo fans will be able to.  The PDF linked to the article says that college sports are not subject to the prohibition.

ixnay

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: ixnay on July 04, 2020, 04:53:06 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 04, 2020, 03:05:53 PM
Bills fans, however, won't be able to attend games.

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2020/7/2/21311084/no-fans-will-be-allowed-at-new-era-field-during-covid-19-pandemic-per-new-guidelines-new-york-state

But Univ. at Buffalo fans will be able to.  The PDF linked to the article says that college sports are not subject to the prohibition.

ixnay
If colleges are even in person.
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mgk920

Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.

Mike

When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.

Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn’t make such a choice.

You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?

Quote
Honestly can’t imagine how people can watch what’s going on and even question this stuff right now.

Did you read my reply above?

Mike


Nope.  You missed the point.  Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.

Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?

Mike

SEWIGuy

Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.

Mike

When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.

Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.

You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?

Quote
Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.

Did you read my reply above?

Mike


Nope.  You missed the point.  Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.

Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?

Mike


If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.

kevinb1994

Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.

Mike

When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.

Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.

You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?

Quote
Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.

Did you read my reply above?

Mike


Nope.  You missed the point.  Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.

Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?

Mike


If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

SEWIGuy

LOL, yes.

And I actually think there are ways to responsibly have crowds at outdoor events.  But it is frought with problems.  In bathrooms, terraces, pre-gaming, etc. is where they exist.  Actually having people sitting a few rows and seats apart is the least of the worries.

mgk920

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.

Mike

When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.

Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn’t make such a choice.

You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?

Quote
Honestly can’t imagine how people can watch what’s going on and even question this stuff right now.

Did you read my reply above?

Mike


Nope.  You missed the point.  Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.

Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?

Mike


If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

So then you mean to say that were are to spend the rest of our lives cooped up in our little hobbit holes, scared sick of the outside World.   Got it!

Mike

SEWIGuy

Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 12:43:48 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 05, 2020, 04:16:53 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 04, 2020, 07:50:04 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 07:37:17 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 03, 2020, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 03, 2020, 01:09:18 PM
Well, seeing as that of those who go to NFL games, somewhere in 1:(a few hundred) will likely be dead before the next season starts and about 1.25% or so of all USAians who are alive when the season starts will likely be dead by the time that the following season starts (normal actuarial tables), and the overall mortality rate of those who get the virus is less than 0.25%, I'd be more worried about just driving to and from the games on I-41.

Mike

When you drive to the game you understand the risk. That risk is yours and those who also chose to travel.

Much different than possibly carrying a deadly disease during a pandemic that infects someone who didn't make such a choice.

You mean that there are people in the stadium who did not make a conscience decision to enter the stadium?

Quote
Honestly can't imagine how people can watch what's going on and even question this stuff right now.

Did you read my reply above?

Mike


Nope.  You missed the point.  Going to a crowded football game in a pandemic will allow the disease to spread to poeple at the game, WHO IN TURN will spread it to others who didn't make that choice.

Will you be saying this the next time that a new strain of the flu is loose?

Mike


If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

So then you mean to say that were are to spend the rest of our lives cooped up in our little hobbit holes, scared sick of the outside World.   Got it!

Mike

Nope. Didn't say anything of the sort. When you have to resort to hyperbolic nonsense it means your argument is weak.

We aren't having large crowds at sporting events until this is managed better. And it's being managed horribly right now.

hbelkins

Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.


Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?
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Scott5114

Here's a really weird one. Last night, Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, TX was supposed to run a 9-race card, including a bunch of stakes races. They ran Race 1, then after a 55-minute delay, canceled Races 2—9 "out of an abundance of caution due to COVID-19" and postponed the rest of their meet indefinitely.

What the heck was that about?
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Max Rockatansky

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?

That's a a worldwide total...

SEWIGuy

Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.


I'm not fearful of anything.  I also don't live my life completely is some rural, bumf*ck county in the middle of nowhere Kentucky, so I think my perspective is a little more complete than yours.

hotdogPi

Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.


I'm not fearful of anything.  I also don't live my life completely is some rural, bumf*ck county in the middle of nowhere Kentucky, so I think my perspective is a little more complete than yours.

This goes both ways. While someone living in rural Kentucky might not understand what living in New York City or even southeastern Wisconsin is like, someone living in New York City might not understand exurban sprawl, preservation of true wilderness or Native American reservations, the importance of agriculture, or even (outside this forum) driving a car to get everywhere.
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SEWIGuy

Quote from: 1 on July 06, 2020, 08:47:18 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 06, 2020, 08:41:59 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.


I'm not fearful of anything.  I also don't live my life completely is some rural, bumf*ck county in the middle of nowhere Kentucky, so I think my perspective is a little more complete than yours.

This goes both ways. While someone living in rural Kentucky might not understand what living in New York City or even southeastern Wisconsin is like, someone living in New York City might not understand exurban sprawl, preservation of true wilderness or Native American reservations, the importance of agriculture, or even (outside this forum) driving a car to get everywhere.


Cool.  It's not terribly relevant since I've lived in large cities, suburbs, medium sized crapholes, rural counties, etc.  And IMO the people who have the least amount of true perspective in life are those who live in the middle of nowhere.

ftballfan

Quote from: Scott5114 on July 06, 2020, 06:45:21 AM
Here's a really weird one. Last night, Lone Star Park in Grand Prairie, TX was supposed to run a 9-race card, including a bunch of stakes races. They ran Race 1, then after a 55-minute delay, canceled Races 2—9 "out of an abundance of caution due to COVID-19" and postponed the rest of their meet indefinitely.

What the heck was that about?
I'm guessing one of the following:
1. A government order came down after race 1
2. A jockey or trainer of a horse in Race 2 (or a later race) must have developed flu-like symptoms

mgk920

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?

That's a a worldwide total...

Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test?  YES, he died from The Virus™!   :-o

Mike

Roadgeekteen

Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?

That's a a worldwide total...

Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test?  YES, he died from The Virus™!   :-o

Mike
I'm not actually that scared of the virus but it can be dangerous.
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Alps

Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?

That's a a worldwide total...

Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test?  YES, he died from The Virus™!   :-o

Mike
I sincerely hope you catch it so that you can determine for yourself how dangerous it is.

hotdogPi

Quote from: Alps on July 06, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 06, 2020, 11:44:39 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 06, 2020, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 06, 2020, 12:22:30 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on July 05, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on July 05, 2020, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on July 05, 2020, 07:12:00 AM

If it is as easily spread, including by those who are assymtomatic, and deadly as this is...yes.
Asymptomatic is what I think you meant to say.

Nope. Given his attitude, especially toward those who aren't as fearful about the corona cooties as he is, I'd say his spelling was intentional.
Have cooties killed 534 thousand people in the US alone?

That's a a worldwide total...

Also, how many of them were people in their 80s or 90s, serious heart condition, high blood pressure, late stage cancer and all sorts of other serious maladies and died, after which they did a blood test?  YES, he died from The Virus™!   :-o

Mike
I sincerely hope you catch it so that you can determine for yourself how dangerous it is.

Some people have argued that they got it and it was very mild, which means that (they think) it's no big deal and the whole thing is overblown.
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