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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #525 on: July 28, 2020, 11:03:40 AM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #526 on: July 28, 2020, 11:17:33 AM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #527 on: July 28, 2020, 12:39:06 PM »

The Nationals voted to not travel to Miami to play their series this weekend.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #528 on: July 28, 2020, 04:05:40 PM »

The Nationals voted to not travel to Miami to play their series this weekend.

Doesn't matter now. MLB postponed all the Marlins' scheduled games through and including next Sunday's.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #529 on: July 28, 2020, 05:39:33 PM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?

Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.

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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #530 on: July 28, 2020, 07:14:09 PM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?

Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.

Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #531 on: July 28, 2020, 07:28:23 PM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?

Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.

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NBA seems to be doing fine.

NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.

Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #532 on: July 28, 2020, 08:34:17 PM »

This thread hasn't mentioned tennis since April. How are things going in tennis? It's actually safe to play during a pandemic.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #533 on: July 28, 2020, 08:36:46 PM »

This thread hasn't mentioned tennis since April. How are things going in tennis? It's actually safe to play during a pandemic.

The USTA has been running radio adverts in my area touting Tennis as a safe sport to play right now. 
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #534 on: July 28, 2020, 08:40:28 PM »

This thread hasn't mentioned tennis since April. How are things going in tennis? It's actually safe to play during a pandemic.

They were supposed to resume play with the tournament in DC, but it was cancelled. US Open still scheduled for September.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #535 on: July 29, 2020, 12:20:23 AM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?

Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.

Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.

NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.

Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
Doesn't work competitively. The difference is that NHL and NBA had played enough of their seasons to jump into playoffs and thus keep the playoff divisions at each site. MLB hasn't had a season yet and needs some balance of competition.

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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #536 on: July 29, 2020, 08:12:19 AM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?

Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.

Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.

NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.

Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
Doesn't work competitively. The difference is that NHL and NBA had played enough of their seasons to jump into playoffs and thus keep the playoff divisions at each site. MLB hasn't had a season yet and needs some balance of competition.

MLB is already restricting play to division games plus games against their mirror division in the other league. With pairs of stadiums in the three cities, they still could have done that.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #537 on: July 29, 2020, 08:36:20 AM »

4 more Marlin players tested positive.  Can they even field a team now?

Playing sports right now makes about as much sense as playing in the middle of a busy freeway.

Rick
NBA seems to be doing fine.

NBA and NHL are only in 1 or 2 cities with no travel, and the teams are more or less quarantined outside of team activities. Baseball chose to not go that route and it's going to fail miserably.

Baseball should have gone with a similar model, basing each division at a single stadium in LA, Anaheim, Chicago N, Chicago S, Bronx and Queens, having 2 games per day per site.
Doesn't work competitively. The difference is that NHL and NBA had played enough of their seasons to jump into playoffs and thus keep the playoff divisions at each site. MLB hasn't had a season yet and needs some balance of competition.


One of the original plans was to have teams stay at spring training sites and having a Arizona League and a Florida League.  The players turned that idea down. 
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #538 on: July 31, 2020, 12:58:41 PM »

The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....

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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #539 on: July 31, 2020, 12:59:45 PM »

In Wichita, the building of a new baseball stadium for the incoming Pacific Coast League team (renamed from the New Orleans Baby Cakes to the Wichita Wind Surge) was fraught with challenges and arguments.  Construction was just barely squeaking in under the deadline, as they were scheduled to play their first game on April 8 of this year.  Their inaugural season this year was initially postponed due to COVID, then later canceled altogether.

Now, in an unfortunate turn of events, the owner of the team, Lou Schwechheimer—who had spearheaded the building of a new stadium in Wichita—has died from COVID this past Wednesday, never having seen a single game played in the stadium, nor even his team's roster filled out.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #540 on: July 31, 2020, 01:52:25 PM »

The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....

 :angry:

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What is MLB's problem? NBA is doing fine, MLS is doing fine, European soccer went fine, NASCAR is fine, PGA is fine. But baseball just can't figure it out.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #541 on: July 31, 2020, 01:56:46 PM »

The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....

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What is MLB's problem? NBA is doing fine, MLS is doing fine, European soccer went fine, NASCAR is fine, PGA is fine. But baseball just can't figure it out.

I will place the majority of the blame on the Marlins last week, who went ahead, ignored every protocol put into place, and played an entire series with infected individuals.  Without that, we would've had 3 possible games missed, not a week's worth by 2 different teams, and MLB probably would've been shown in a much brighter light across the nation.

This week, while 2 players were tested positive, at least they did the right thing, notified the proper personnel, and decided to postpone the game.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #542 on: July 31, 2020, 02:41:04 PM »

The Brewers' 'home opener', scheduled for today, has been postponed due to several Cardinals being declared 'out' by the testers....

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What is MLB's problem? NBA is doing fine, MLS is doing fine, European soccer went fine, NASCAR is fine, PGA is fine. But baseball just can't figure it out.


Pretty obvious.  NBA and MLS are in bubbles, Euro soccer is in a place where they have managed the virus MUCH better (but they have had some outbreaks as well), and the PGA and NASCAR are more individual sports so any positives don't necessarily impact the events moving forward.

The NFL should take note.
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #543 on: July 31, 2020, 07:11:04 PM »

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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #544 on: July 31, 2020, 11:47:17 PM »

The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.

It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?

Same goes for South Carolina-Clemson. Taking away an in-state rivalry and adding games with teams from possible far-flung states? Wouldn't it make more sense for SC and Clemson to play than having SC possibly play Texas A&M?
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« Reply #545 on: August 01, 2020, 12:48:37 AM »

The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.

It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?

Same goes for South Carolina-Clemson. Taking away an in-state rivalry and adding games with teams from possible far-flung states? Wouldn't it make more sense for SC and Clemson to play than having SC possibly play Texas A&M?
It is about Control, the Conference schedules

SEC Protocols can be expected to be followed by SEC members. Big Ten Protocols can be expected to be followed by Big Ten members. ACC Protocols can be expected to be followed by ACC members, including temporary 1-year member Notre Dame. Pac-12 Protocols can be expected to be followed by Pac-12 members. Same with the Big 12, the AAC, etc etc

All the big conferences have big money deals with the big networks (Disney, FOX, NBC, etc) and the best plan and chance they have to give their TV partners the game inventory so the conferences get their money, is to be able to control the teams and the schedules, completely

I would be shocked if any of these major Conference schools have any Revenue Sport Players even required to go to Class, let alone anything outside of Team Controlled activities, to keep the individuals in a relative “bubble” while on Campus. I wouldn’t be shocked if none of these schools even resume on-campus activities beyond Revenue Sports this Fall. Call it in the name of “safety”
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #546 on: August 01, 2020, 08:15:44 AM »

The SEC's decision to play only 10 conference games, and no non-conference games, borders on the insane.

It's safer somehow for UK to add Alabama or LSU to the schedule, at a time when the governor is urging Kentuckians not to travel to those states, than it is for a team in Lexington to play a team from Louisville just 75 miles west on I-64 and within the same state?

Same goes for South Carolina-Clemson. Taking away an in-state rivalry and adding games with teams from possible far-flung states? Wouldn't it make more sense for SC and Clemson to play than having SC possibly play Texas A&M?
It is about Control, the Conference schedules

SEC Protocols can be expected to be followed by SEC members. Big Ten Protocols can be expected to be followed by Big Ten members. ACC Protocols can be expected to be followed by ACC members, including temporary 1-year member Notre Dame. Pac-12 Protocols can be expected to be followed by Pac-12 members. Same with the Big 12, the AAC, etc etc

All the big conferences have big money deals with the big networks (Disney, FOX, NBC, etc) and the best plan and chance they have to give their TV partners the game inventory so the conferences get their money, is to be able to control the teams and the schedules, completely

I would be shocked if any of these major Conference schools have any Revenue Sport Players even required to go to Class, let alone anything outside of Team Controlled activities, to keep the individuals in a relative “bubble” while on Campus. I wouldn’t be shocked if none of these schools even resume on-campus activities beyond Revenue Sports this Fall. Call it in the name of “safety”


Exactly.  And they are pushing back the season as far as possible to see if they are even going to be able to play.  And that requires them to get out of the non conference games which are front-loaded at the beginning of the season.

Remember that these conference schedules are a best case scenario.  There is a lot of doubt that they will be able to pull that off given what we have seen in the MLB. 
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #547 on: August 01, 2020, 02:42:18 PM »

Exactly.  And they are pushing back the season as far as possible to see if they are even going to be able to play.  And that requires them to get out of the non conference games which are front-loaded at the beginning of the season.

Lots of in-state, out-of-conference rivalry games are the final game of the year. UK-UofL, SC-Clemson, UGA-Tech.


SEC Protocols can be expected to be followed by SEC members. Big Ten Protocols can be expected to be followed by Big Ten members. ACC Protocols can be expected to be followed by ACC members, including temporary 1-year member Notre Dame. Pac-12 Protocols can be expected to be followed by Pac-12 members. Same with the Big 12, the AAC, etc etc

But state protocols, as determined by governors or public health officers, would trump conference protocols. And if Kentucky's governor issues an executive order pertaining to interscholastic sports (high school or public universities, or even all athletic contests) the teams would have to do what the state requires. The SEC school (UK) and the "Atlantic Coast" school (Louisville) would both be under the same guidelines.

The rivalry games have lucrative TV audiences and huge gate receipts. It still makes more sense for UK to play Louisville, the Gamecocks to play the Tigers, or the Bulldogs to play the Ramblin' Wreck, than schedule in-conference opponents not part of the regular rotation from distant locations.
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« Reply #548 on: August 01, 2020, 02:58:41 PM »

Cast aside gate receipt concerns this year. There will be limited fans, if any, at ANY game this fall, if games do happen at all

U of I and Mizzou gave up their "Saint Louis" Rivalry years ago, even before Mizzou went SEC (East???)

Inter-Conference games also introduces a completely different set of players being played, that have played different opponents all year. Playing Conference-only schedules helps control who and how many players in your League are exposed to

Take Notre Dame, for example (in a "normal" year): They play a national schedule, with opponents ranging from nearby Michigan and/or Michigan St, to as far away as USC and Stanford on the West Coast and now their Contractual obligations to about 4? 5? ACC opponents every year, and also games against Army and/or Navy.

In a "normal" year that is neat and cool. In a year where there is an infectious disease pandemic struggling to be controlled in spite of numerous efforts, going week-to-week to play teams from wherever that the week before and the week after will go in another direction and repeat...It is a recipe for disaster to not limit schedules. And the only way to realistically do that, is via Conference Scheduling. Even Notre Dame figured that out, and that is why they agreed to be an ACC Football Member for this year

It is not that an In-State or Regional Rivalry is more or less inherently dangerous than individual Conference games -- it is the increased exposure to a new team, that has played a completely different slate of games and interacted with many more teams and people. Conferences NOT allowing that are trying to control exposure to the players and staff as much as possible

Again, it is about Control

And speaking of Governors, in many of these states with Public Universities with large Conference Revenue Sports, the Head Football and/or Men's Basketball Coach(es) are often the Highest Paid Public Employee in the state. And those same Universities have push and influence in the varied State Houses and Governors' Mansions

I do not know Kentucky politics more than I happen to see when I watch WPSD-NBC 6 out of Paducah (which I don't do very often). I simply don't see a KY Governor saying "No" to UK or UofLou for Major College Football this fall or potentially Major College Basketball this winter, should it need be

As made more evident this year than most, Anything is Possible
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Re: The coronavirus is destroying everything
« Reply #549 on: August 01, 2020, 04:24:22 PM »

Yeah there will be no gate receipts this year.

It’s looking doubtful we will have college football at all.
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