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Rogue Sign State Route Shields
« on: June 28, 2020, 12:00:17 AM »

Through my travels in California I've noticed that numerous local and Federal agencies have taken it upon themselves to place reassurance Sign State Route Shields on roads they maintain.  Most of these "rogue" Sign State Route shields appear to be in place for continuity purposes like CA 120 in Yosemite National Park and CA 130 east of Mount Hamilton the Stanislaus County Line.  While the modern California State Highway System is somewhat infamous for having Sign State Route shields being used as an indicator of maintenance it was once far more oriented towards navigational purposes.  Below is a historic summary of how Sign Routes were traditionally signed in California along with many of the roadways today that aren't State maintained that have Sign State Route shields:

https://www.gribblenation.org/2020/06/californias-rogue-sign-state-route.html
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2020, 12:57:33 AM »

I guess you could say it also is/was a quality reassurance purpose, like how I would rather take a state highway than a county one. Although when it comes to the quality of the roads, I would have never have guessed the NPS maintained those highways in particular, though the other roads there such as Glacier Point and Wawona are pretty much on par. However, the signage is a different story.. I'll give them credit for using Caltrans' classic advisory-speed-in-the-diamond in places.

Looking at the picture, this is quite easy to see:

-No "California" on the CA 140 shield (on the adjacent 120 shield as well?)

-A non-Caltrans version US 395 shield

-NPS signature brown painted poles
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2020, 06:13:14 AM »

MA 2A recently got a fake extension in Boston. It's signed, but it's not part of the route.
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2020, 11:45:42 AM »

I guess you could say it also is/was a quality reassurance purpose, like how I would rather take a state highway than a county one. Although when it comes to the quality of the roads, I would have never have guessed the NPS maintained those highways in particular, though the other roads there such as Glacier Point and Wawona are pretty much on par. However, the signage is a different story.. I'll give them credit for using Caltrans' classic advisory-speed-in-the-diamond in places.

Looking at the picture, this is quite easy to see:

-No "California" on the CA 140 shield (on the adjacent 120 shield as well?)

-A non-Caltrans version US 395 shield

-NPS signature brown painted poles

For what itís worth the Park Service does a pretty decent job at maintaining their primary road networks.  It definitely doesnít hurt that they have an almost total lack of freight traffic in most National Parks.  Some of the secondary roads are just as poor as National Forest or Bureau of Land Management but thatís to be expected on low volume infrastructure.  The signage is all over the place and usually not fully MUTCD, but at least itís well cared for.  Either way Iím all for route continuity if it makes sense.  In the case of CA 180 through Grant Grove or CA 120 through Yosemite it does make sense for navigational purposes. 

Regarding those California Spades there is actually a similar Caltrans spec intended for guide signs that sometimes makes it as a stand alone shield.  I have a couple ďCalifornia-lessĒ spades in my personal collection:

https://flic.kr/p/H49k4Y

https://flic.kr/p/2bJefXt

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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2020, 11:46:30 AM »

MA 2A recently got a fake extension in Boston. It's signed, but it's not part of the route.

Similarly Grand Canyon National Park signs AZ 64 as though it exists within their boundaries. 
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2020, 08:05:40 PM »

Is this rouge enough?
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2020, 08:07:56 PM »

Is this rouge enough?


WTF is it even supposed to be?
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2020, 08:21:49 PM »

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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2020, 08:27:38 PM »

Is this rouge enough?
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WTF is it even supposed to be?

A play on the misspelling of rogue in the thread title.
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2020, 08:41:46 PM »

^^^

Got it right in the article and header.  Iím not even sure if my computer prompts for a spell check in thread titles now that I think about. 

Is this rouge enough?


WTF is it even supposed to be?

New Zealand

Itís hideous, is that the style they use?
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Re: Rogue Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2020, 08:45:18 PM »

Not as bad as this one.



Click quote link to see original thread.

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Re: Rogue Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2020, 09:24:51 PM »


The Old California shields has to be rogue by 2020 standards though. But this photo was posted on AAroads back in 1998 But that old button copy had to have been removed in the past decade though.
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Re: Rogue Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2020, 09:26:50 PM »


The Old California shields has to be rogue by 2020 standards though. But this photo was posted on AAroads back in 1998 But that old button copy had to have been removed in the past decade though.

Not really rogue, more of OG sign assembly given it has a legit white button copy shield.
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Re: Rogue Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2020, 12:06:14 PM »


The Old California shields has to be rogue by 2020 standards though. But this photo was posted on AAroads back in 1998 But that old button copy had to have been removed in the past decade though.

Not really rogue, more of OG sign assembly given it has a legit white button copy shield.

I distinctly remember that sign -- posted just east of the 101/134/170 North Hollywood interchange.  Was there as late as 2004, IIRC.
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2020, 01:12:45 PM »

^^^

Got it right in the article and header.  Iím not even sure if my computer prompts for a spell check in thread titles now that I think about. 

Is this rouge enough?


WTF is it even supposed to be?

New Zealand

Itís hideous, is that the style they use?

Took me a bit to realize, but the misspelling is on NE2's part, with rouge meaning red in French. (And that shield is indeed very red!)

And yes, that is the official signage used to mark state highways in New Zealand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_state_highway_network
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Re: Rouge Sign State Route Shields
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2020, 02:28:12 PM »

Took me a bit to realize, but the misspelling is on NE2's part, with rouge meaning red in French. (And that shield is indeed very red!)

The title was misspelled "rouge" and then fixed.
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