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Locally maintained toll roads

Started by BridgesToIdealism, October 27, 2020, 09:03:42 AM

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BridgesToIdealism

While doing some research into Robert Moses and his unbuilt plans for NYC and Long Island, I discovered something interesting: The unbuilt A.O. Smith Turnpike was to be a county route. That got me thinking: how many toll roads are maintained at the local (county/township) level? I can't think of any off the top of my head. Note that I am specifically excluding Florida's numerous county-owned toll bridges, as well as New Jersey's Ocean Drive, since that's not really a toll road, per se. I'm looking for examples of locally maintained toll roads, not just bridges.
Matthew Wong; University of Indianapolis Class of 2024


Max Rockatansky

Card Sound Road in the Florida Keys kind of meets the definition given you have to pay to use the Card Sound Bridge. 

sprjus4

#2
The VA-168 Chesapeake Expressway (6 mile tolled portion) and US-17 Veterans Bridge (2.5 mile tolled portion) both are toll facilities maintained by the city of Chesapeake in Virginia. In addition, VDOT assumes no maintenance or operation along either route south of I-64, leaving 16 miles of VA-168 and 17 miles of US-17 - both limited access expressway / freeway routes - fully under city operations.

ari-s-drives

While it may not fit the question exactly, the tolled 17 Mile Drive in Pebble Beach, CA is maintained by the closest thing that Pebble Beach has to a local authority, the Pebble Beach Company

NWI_Irish96

The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

1995hoo

#5
Osceola Parkway near Orlando has a tolled segment and I believe that is a county road.

Edited to add: I believe there was a thread a few years ago about another county-operated toll road near Tallahassee (Leon County, if I'm not mistaken) where the two-lane toll road replaced an old dirt road.
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commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

BridgesToIdealism

The one north of Tallahassee is the Orchard Pond Parkway, which is signed as a county route but is actually privately owned in a similar manner to the Dulles Greenway.

I consider Card Sound Road to be a free highway with a toll bridge, since the bridge is the only portion of the road that is tolled. I also thought that the Card Sound Bridge was privately-owned as well, but I could be wrong.

The Osceola Parkway is a county road (I had completely forgotten about that one). Interestingly, Osceola County created their own local-level expressway authority (OCX) solely to maintain that one section of that one road. Now that I think about it, I think that the Selmon Expressway and THEA are the same deal.
Matthew Wong; University of Indianapolis Class of 2024

CtrlAltDel

Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.
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roadman65

How about Dingmans Ferry Bridge between NJ and PA?  That is private and could be local in some minds here.
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.

Which leads me to the question: Is there any other part of the interstate highway system that is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state (or DC or PR)?
The lessor is a city as opposed to a state, which is what makes it local regardless of who operates it.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

1995hoo

Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.

Which leads me to the question: Is there any other part of the interstate highway system that is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state (or DC or PR)?
The lessor is a city as opposed to a state, which is what makes it local regardless of who operates it.

I assume you're not counting things like the HO/T lanes in Virginia?
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2020, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.

Which leads me to the question: Is there any other part of the interstate highway system that is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state (or DC or PR)?
The lessor is a city as opposed to a state, which is what makes it local regardless of who operates it.

I assume you're not counting things like the HO/T lanes in Virginia?

Are they actually owned by someone other than the state, or are they just leased like other Toll Roads?
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

1995hoo

Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2020, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.

Which leads me to the question: Is there any other part of the interstate highway system that is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state (or DC or PR)?
The lessor is a city as opposed to a state, which is what makes it local regardless of who operates it.

I assume you're not counting things like the HO/T lanes in Virginia?

Are they actually owned by someone other than the state, or are they just leased like other Toll Roads?

The Commonwealth owns them; Transurban built them and both maintains and operates them on a long-term lease. Your prior post asked whether "any other part of the Interstate highway system ... is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state ...." Hence why I asked my question–you asked about "maintained or leased" and these fall into both of those categories, though they're not a situation where the entire road falls into either of those categories.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

ilpt4u

Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.

Which leads me to the question: Is there any other part of the interstate highway system that is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state (or DC or PR)?
The Indiana Toll Road also has a Lease on it

There are plenty of bridges/tunnels on the Interstate system that are maintained by multi-state agencies

Are there really no US cities that maintain any part of an Interstate Highway within their City Limits? I find that hard to believe

bwana39

Most of the toll roads in North Texas (DFW) are controlled by North Texas Turnpike Authority (NTTA) which is a regional quasi governmental agency not affiliated with TXDOT.
Most of the toll roads in Greater Houston are operated by toll authorities controlled by the individual counties (HCTRA, FBCTRA, MCTRA). The HOV lanes in metro Houston are controlled by the Metro (the Houston regional rapid transit authority)
Loop 49 near Tyler is operated by NETRMA.
The toll bridge on the West end of Galveston Island is operated by Galveston county (with no separate operating agency)

TXDOT does have a presence in toll roads in Texas as well and the list I made above is not exhaustive, just what I remember off the top of my head.
Let's build what we need as economically as possible.

sprjus4

Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2020, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2020, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.

Which leads me to the question: Is there any other part of the interstate highway system that is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state (or DC or PR)?
The lessor is a city as opposed to a state, which is what makes it local regardless of who operates it.

I assume you're not counting things like the HO/T lanes in Virginia?

Are they actually owned by someone other than the state, or are they just leased like other Toll Roads?

The Commonwealth owns them; Transurban built them and both maintains and operates them on a long-term lease. Your prior post asked whether "any other part of the Interstate highway system ... is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state ...." Hence why I asked my question–you asked about "maintained or leased" and these fall into both of those categories, though they're not a situation where the entire road falls into either of those categories.
I-77 Express Lanes north of Charlotte would fall into the same boat.

NWI_Irish96

Quote from: sprjus4 on October 27, 2020, 06:13:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2020, 04:49:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2020, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 04:33:56 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on October 27, 2020, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 27, 2020, 10:34:38 AM
The Chicago Skyway is classified as a toll bridge but in reality it's a toll road.

It is though managed by a half-Australian half-Spanish consortium, so it's perhaps not locally maintained.

Which leads me to the question: Is there any other part of the interstate highway system that is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state (or DC or PR)?
The lessor is a city as opposed to a state, which is what makes it local regardless of who operates it.

I assume you're not counting things like the HO/T lanes in Virginia?

Are they actually owned by someone other than the state, or are they just leased like other Toll Roads?

The Commonwealth owns them; Transurban built them and both maintains and operates them on a long-term lease. Your prior post asked whether "any other part of the Interstate highway system ... is either maintained or leased by an entity other than a state ...." Hence why I asked my question–you asked about "maintained or leased" and these fall into both of those categories, though they're not a situation where the entire road falls into either of those categories.
I-77 Express Lanes north of Charlotte would fall into the same boat.

Yeah, I wasn't clear. I meant that is the road either maintained by the state or leased out by the state? If the state owns the road then that is not what I mean.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

BridgesToIdealism

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in my initial post. I am not looking for examples of toll roads that aren't maintained by the DOT but are still maintained by a state agency. NTTA, HCTRA, and all of the RMAs in Texas fall into this category and are excluded for the purposes of my question.

I am also not looking for completely privately operated toll roads, either leased or fully managed, which excludes everything from the Chicago Skyway and the Indiana Toll Road to the Dulles Greenway.

I am also not looking for just toll bridges on an otherwise free road.

What I am looking for are examples of a toll road (not just a toll bridge) that are publicly maintained/owned but are maintained/managed at the local level (i.e. by a county or township) as opposed to a state or regional agency. The Osceola Parkway in Metro Orlando was already given as one example, which is one that I forgot about. The Selmon Expressway in Tampa is also (I believe) county-maintained by THEA (Tampa-Hillsborough Expressway Authority). I am curious if there are any others that are known? My query originated from my discovery that one of the unbuilt roads of Robert Moses was the A.O. Smith Turnpike, which was to be a toll road on Long Island that would be a county-maintained road (it had even been assigned a hypothetical county route designation).
Matthew Wong; University of Indianapolis Class of 2024

NWI_Irish96

The Chicago Skyway did fall into that category before it got leased to a private company. It used to be maintained by the city.
Indiana: counties 100%, highways 100%
Illinois: counties 100%, highways 61%
Michigan: counties 100%, highways 56%
Wisconsin: counties 86%, highways 23%

doorknob60

#19
The Adams Ave Parkway in Washington Terrace, UT (next to Ogden) is private. Supposedly local residents had been asking for a connection between US-89 and I-84 in that area, and the state/city/county wouldn't build it, so a private company did. It's a $1 toll for cars, I've driven it just to say I did. Not the local government, so maybe not fully relevant, but it's not run by the state DOT, and it's a local private company.

cpzilliacus

#20
VA-267 (Dulles Toll Road) is operated by the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority (MWAA).  Not a local government, but also not a state agency.

It was formerly operated by the Commonwealth of Virginia in the form of VDOT.  The DTR was handed over to MWAA so revenue bonds could be sold and (tolls could be significantly increased to pay the bonds back).  The cash from the bonds was used to fund most of the cost of building Dulles Rail, an extension of the Washington Metro to Dulles Airport and a few stops beyond.

When complete, the Dulles Rail project will run to the junction of VA-267 (Dulles Greenway, not the same road as the Dulles Toll Road, the Greenway is owned by private investors) and VA-772 in the Ashburn area of Loudoun County.   The owners of the Greenway are not involved in paying for the rail line, though the line does run on the right-of-way of the Greenway as it approaches VA-772.
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cpzilliacus

Quote from: ilpt4u on October 27, 2020, 05:27:59 PM
Are there really no US cities that maintain any part of an Interstate Highway within their City Limits? I find that hard to believe

Baltimore City maintains the part of I-83 (Jones Falls Expressway) within city limits. 

In the past, the city also maintained the part of I-95 within the city except for the Fort McHenry Tunnel and its immediate approaches, which were always state (MDTA) maintenance and all of I-395 (a short spur) was also city-maintained. 

But the city and MDTA made a deal that placed all of I-95 in the city, and all of I-395, under MDTA maintenance, and both are patrolled by MDTA Police, not city police.
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ilpt4u

I believe California 125 outside San Diego, north of the Otay Mesa Border Crossing, is managed/maintained by a local agency. SANDAG (San Diego Association of Governments) is what I discovered, looking it up

cpzilliacus

#23
I think that the TCA toll roads (73, 133, 241 and 261 in Orange County, California) might qualify in this category.  The roads themselves are owned by Caltrans, but the two local agencies that make up TCA built them, collects the tolls and impact fees, pay the bondholders and has responsibility for certain improvements.
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formulanone

Quote from: 1995hoo on October 27, 2020, 10:41:28 AM
Edited to add: I believe there was a thread a few years ago about another county-operated toll road near Tallahassee (Leon County, if I'm not mistaken) where the two-lane toll road replaced an old dirt road.

Orchard Pond Parkway, it's about 5 miles long and accepts SunPass.



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