Infrastructure Bill 2021

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Rothman

Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2022, 11:34:18 AM
This is what we mean when we make reference to "the deep state." No matter the legislative intent, there's an entrenched bureaucracy that shapes and molds things to its own desires. In this case, there's obviously an anti-car, anti-roads faction within FHWA that got hold of the bill and changed the parameters to fit an agenda.
Except I don't think we're talking about career civil servants who are experts in their field here.  These policies sound like they came straight from Biden's appointees - in other words, they reflect the priorities of an elected official.

"career civil servants" "experts in their field"
That is being exceptionally generous. Bureaucrats that in many cases have never had to make anything work in the real world for so much as a single day in their life. Ever been to the post office or DMV? I seriously doubt the so called "experts" are much better. And what is to say that they don't march with the elected official either? They are quite capable of creating policies that fit the party line.

Post Offices and DMVs work pretty well around here.  Not sure what your point is there.

I can't remember the last time I had a serious issue with either of them.  I suppose there was a couple of people ahead of me one time at the Post Office...

Then again, outside of appointing a Postmaster General, not sure how else the Post Office counts as being part of government...

Point being, anyone who thinks career civil servants aren't in the "real world" is ignorant of how government operates.

Appointees...totally different matter...which makes you wonder if no one likes them, then why do we keep letting politicians appoint them...and if they keep doing so despite our objections, do we really have a voice in the matter...

They don't live in the real world. The government never goes bankrupt, no matter how poorly it does its job. In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business.
I spent the better part of a month trying to get my packages out of the post office after the driver failed to deliver them to me. Never had that happen with an Amazon truck.
Again, ignorance.

At least here in NY, you definitely have budget constraints.  How those constraints may be relaxed happens at the Governor's level and happens like it does in the private sector -- by borrowing funds.  Look into how many businesses are in debt and get back to me.

Getting packages from the Post Office has never been an issue for me.  You must have an issue with following directions.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.


HighwayStar

Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2022, 11:34:18 AM
This is what we mean when we make reference to "the deep state." No matter the legislative intent, there's an entrenched bureaucracy that shapes and molds things to its own desires. In this case, there's obviously an anti-car, anti-roads faction within FHWA that got hold of the bill and changed the parameters to fit an agenda.
Except I don't think we're talking about career civil servants who are experts in their field here.  These policies sound like they came straight from Biden's appointees - in other words, they reflect the priorities of an elected official.

"career civil servants" "experts in their field"
That is being exceptionally generous. Bureaucrats that in many cases have never had to make anything work in the real world for so much as a single day in their life. Ever been to the post office or DMV? I seriously doubt the so called "experts" are much better. And what is to say that they don't march with the elected official either? They are quite capable of creating policies that fit the party line.

Post Offices and DMVs work pretty well around here.  Not sure what your point is there.

I can't remember the last time I had a serious issue with either of them.  I suppose there was a couple of people ahead of me one time at the Post Office...

Then again, outside of appointing a Postmaster General, not sure how else the Post Office counts as being part of government...

Point being, anyone who thinks career civil servants aren't in the "real world" is ignorant of how government operates.

Appointees...totally different matter...which makes you wonder if no one likes them, then why do we keep letting politicians appoint them...and if they keep doing so despite our objections, do we really have a voice in the matter...

They don't live in the real world. The government never goes bankrupt, no matter how poorly it does its job. In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business.
I spent the better part of a month trying to get my packages out of the post office after the driver failed to deliver them to me. Never had that happen with an Amazon truck.
Again, ignorance.

At least here in NY, you definitely have budget constraints.  How those constraints may be relaxed happens at the Governor's level and happens like it does in the private sector -- by borrowing funds.  Look into how many businesses are in debt and get back to me.

Getting packages from the Post Office has never been an issue for me.  You must have an issue with following directions.

No ignorance, just realism.
Budget constraints sure, but if you go over you just borrow more money, there is never any real limit. Its an artificial barrier, just like the debt ceiling. The accounting practices of government make Enron look like a an honest firm.
I don't have an issue following directions, these government employees do, which is why I did not get the package. It was not my job to put it in the box, it was theirs. That has nothing to do with me following directions.
There are those who travel, and those who travel well

Rothman

Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2022, 11:34:18 AM
This is what we mean when we make reference to "the deep state." No matter the legislative intent, there's an entrenched bureaucracy that shapes and molds things to its own desires. In this case, there's obviously an anti-car, anti-roads faction within FHWA that got hold of the bill and changed the parameters to fit an agenda.
Except I don't think we're talking about career civil servants who are experts in their field here.  These policies sound like they came straight from Biden's appointees - in other words, they reflect the priorities of an elected official.

"career civil servants" "experts in their field"
That is being exceptionally generous. Bureaucrats that in many cases have never had to make anything work in the real world for so much as a single day in their life. Ever been to the post office or DMV? I seriously doubt the so called "experts" are much better. And what is to say that they don't march with the elected official either? They are quite capable of creating policies that fit the party line.

Post Offices and DMVs work pretty well around here.  Not sure what your point is there.

I can't remember the last time I had a serious issue with either of them.  I suppose there was a couple of people ahead of me one time at the Post Office...

Then again, outside of appointing a Postmaster General, not sure how else the Post Office counts as being part of government...

Point being, anyone who thinks career civil servants aren't in the "real world" is ignorant of how government operates.

Appointees...totally different matter...which makes you wonder if no one likes them, then why do we keep letting politicians appoint them...and if they keep doing so despite our objections, do we really have a voice in the matter...

They don't live in the real world. The government never goes bankrupt, no matter how poorly it does its job. In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business.
I spent the better part of a month trying to get my packages out of the post office after the driver failed to deliver them to me. Never had that happen with an Amazon truck.
Again, ignorance.

At least here in NY, you definitely have budget constraints.  How those constraints may be relaxed happens at the Governor's level and happens like it does in the private sector -- by borrowing funds.  Look into how many businesses are in debt and get back to me.

Getting packages from the Post Office has never been an issue for me.  You must have an issue with following directions.

No ignorance, just realism.
Budget constraints sure, but if you go over you just borrow more money, there is never any real limit. Its an artificial barrier, just like the debt ceiling. The accounting practices of government make Enron look like a an honest firm.
I don't have an issue following directions, these government employees do, which is why I did not get the package. It was not my job to put it in the box, it was theirs. That has nothing to do with me following directions.

The idea that private businesses don't carry debt and don't just borrow more money like government does when needed is absurd.

Post Office employees are not government employees.  Still sounds like something went awry on your end if you had to wait for them to "put it in the box" for a month.  Never has happened to me. :D
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

HighwayStar

Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2022, 11:34:18 AM
This is what we mean when we make reference to "the deep state." No matter the legislative intent, there's an entrenched bureaucracy that shapes and molds things to its own desires. In this case, there's obviously an anti-car, anti-roads faction within FHWA that got hold of the bill and changed the parameters to fit an agenda.
Except I don't think we're talking about career civil servants who are experts in their field here.  These policies sound like they came straight from Biden's appointees - in other words, they reflect the priorities of an elected official.

"career civil servants" "experts in their field"
That is being exceptionally generous. Bureaucrats that in many cases have never had to make anything work in the real world for so much as a single day in their life. Ever been to the post office or DMV? I seriously doubt the so called "experts" are much better. And what is to say that they don't march with the elected official either? They are quite capable of creating policies that fit the party line.

Post Offices and DMVs work pretty well around here.  Not sure what your point is there.

I can't remember the last time I had a serious issue with either of them.  I suppose there was a couple of people ahead of me one time at the Post Office...

Then again, outside of appointing a Postmaster General, not sure how else the Post Office counts as being part of government...

Point being, anyone who thinks career civil servants aren't in the "real world" is ignorant of how government operates.

Appointees...totally different matter...which makes you wonder if no one likes them, then why do we keep letting politicians appoint them...and if they keep doing so despite our objections, do we really have a voice in the matter...

They don't live in the real world. The government never goes bankrupt, no matter how poorly it does its job. In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business.
I spent the better part of a month trying to get my packages out of the post office after the driver failed to deliver them to me. Never had that happen with an Amazon truck.
Again, ignorance.

At least here in NY, you definitely have budget constraints.  How those constraints may be relaxed happens at the Governor's level and happens like it does in the private sector -- by borrowing funds.  Look into how many businesses are in debt and get back to me.

Getting packages from the Post Office has never been an issue for me.  You must have an issue with following directions.

No ignorance, just realism.
Budget constraints sure, but if you go over you just borrow more money, there is never any real limit. Its an artificial barrier, just like the debt ceiling. The accounting practices of government make Enron look like a an honest firm.
I don't have an issue following directions, these government employees do, which is why I did not get the package. It was not my job to put it in the box, it was theirs. That has nothing to do with me following directions.

The idea that private businesses don't carry debt and don't just borrow more money like government does when needed is absurd.

Post Office employees are not government employees.  Still sounds like something went awry on your end if you had to wait for them to "put it in the box" for a month.  Never has happened to me. :D

Strawman argument. Debt is a form of financing, I never said private businesses do not have debt, I said they could not have unlimited debt. The point however is that private business cannot borrow indefinitely, cannot force people to give them money in the form of taxation, and (in the case of the federal government) cannot simply print money and devalue it for everyone else.
When a private company goes bankrupt, it is very often the inability to pay on their debt, or obtain additional funding via debt financing.

Post office employees are government employees, as they work for the post office which is part of government. Plain and simple. You cannot buy stock in the Post Office, and it is not privately held, its part of the government.

This however feels like it is getting off topic, and this thread is important, so I am not going reply further on this tangent.
There are those who travel, and those who travel well

Scott5114

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: me
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 02:15:47 AM
Hope that bridge collapse gets the attention of that bill.

How exactly do you get the attention of a bill?
Because they tell you what they are going to do. All the money will go to highways, bridges, airports, rail, etc.

A bill is a series of words that is turned into a law. Do you also try to get the attention of books?

Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
They don't live in the real world. The government never goes bankrupt, no matter how poorly it does its job. In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business.

I spent the better part of a month trying to get my packages out of the post office after the driver failed to deliver them to me. Never had that happen with an Amazon truck.

You might want to look at the blue box underneath Val and Rothman's name and then think very hard about whether this is an argument you want to have with these two people.

Also, I had $217 worth of inventory delivered to an Amazon warehouse and they pretended they never got it (despite the fact that I had proof that they did). Any time I tried to contact anyone with the company, they sent back an automated reply, claiming that I couldn't open an investigation until the "reconciliation date", which was 30 days after they received the package...Of course they claim they never received the package so the "reconcilation date" never came, and then the package was outside of the window where it was eligible to be investigated. So Amazon just straight-up stole $217 from me. Never had that happen with USPS...
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

Rothman

Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:39:04 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:20:12 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 01:51:44 PM
Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 12:56:41 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 01, 2022, 12:45:34 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 01, 2022, 11:34:18 AM
This is what we mean when we make reference to "the deep state." No matter the legislative intent, there's an entrenched bureaucracy that shapes and molds things to its own desires. In this case, there's obviously an anti-car, anti-roads faction within FHWA that got hold of the bill and changed the parameters to fit an agenda.
Except I don't think we're talking about career civil servants who are experts in their field here.  These policies sound like they came straight from Biden's appointees - in other words, they reflect the priorities of an elected official.

"career civil servants" "experts in their field"
That is being exceptionally generous. Bureaucrats that in many cases have never had to make anything work in the real world for so much as a single day in their life. Ever been to the post office or DMV? I seriously doubt the so called "experts" are much better. And what is to say that they don't march with the elected official either? They are quite capable of creating policies that fit the party line.

Post Offices and DMVs work pretty well around here.  Not sure what your point is there.

I can't remember the last time I had a serious issue with either of them.  I suppose there was a couple of people ahead of me one time at the Post Office...

Then again, outside of appointing a Postmaster General, not sure how else the Post Office counts as being part of government...

Point being, anyone who thinks career civil servants aren't in the "real world" is ignorant of how government operates.

Appointees...totally different matter...which makes you wonder if no one likes them, then why do we keep letting politicians appoint them...and if they keep doing so despite our objections, do we really have a voice in the matter...

They don't live in the real world. The government never goes bankrupt, no matter how poorly it does its job. In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business.
I spent the better part of a month trying to get my packages out of the post office after the driver failed to deliver them to me. Never had that happen with an Amazon truck.
Again, ignorance.

At least here in NY, you definitely have budget constraints.  How those constraints may be relaxed happens at the Governor's level and happens like it does in the private sector -- by borrowing funds.  Look into how many businesses are in debt and get back to me.

Getting packages from the Post Office has never been an issue for me.  You must have an issue with following directions.

No ignorance, just realism.
Budget constraints sure, but if you go over you just borrow more money, there is never any real limit. Its an artificial barrier, just like the debt ceiling. The accounting practices of government make Enron look like a an honest firm.
I don't have an issue following directions, these government employees do, which is why I did not get the package. It was not my job to put it in the box, it was theirs. That has nothing to do with me following directions.

The idea that private businesses don't carry debt and don't just borrow more money like government does when needed is absurd.

Post Office employees are not government employees.  Still sounds like something went awry on your end if you had to wait for them to "put it in the box" for a month.  Never has happened to me. :D

Strawman argument. Debt is a form of financing, I never said private businesses do not have debt, I said they could not have unlimited debt. The point however is that private business cannot borrow indefinitely, cannot force people to give them money in the form of taxation, and (in the case of the federal government) cannot simply print money and devalue it for everyone else.
When a private company goes bankrupt, it is very often the inability to pay on their debt, or obtain additional funding via debt financing.

Post office employees are government employees, as they work for the post office which is part of government. Plain and simple. You cannot buy stock in the Post Office, and it is not privately held, its part of the government.

This however feels like it is getting off topic, and this thread is important, so I am not going reply further on this tangent.

Government can't borrow indefinitely without dire consequences.  And, other countries have found what happens when that occurs:  Regime change.  In other words, the government goes under.

Private companies certainly aren't managed perfectly either, given how many of them go under.

Come to think of it, given that our government has avoided defaulting on debt payments, you could argue that it is better run than the multitudes of private businesses that go under every year.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

tolbs17

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: me
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 02:15:47 AM
Hope that bridge collapse gets the attention of that bill.

How exactly do you get the attention of a bill?
Because they tell you what they are going to do. All the money will go to highways, bridges, airports, rail, etc.

A bill is a series of words that is turned into a law. Do you also try to get the attention of books?
Yes sir, I do.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: me
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 02:15:47 AM
Hope that bridge collapse gets the attention of that bill.

How exactly do you get the attention of a bill?
Because they tell you what they are going to do. All the money will go to highways, bridges, airports, rail, etc.

A bill is a series of words that is turned into a law. Do you also try to get the attention of books?
Artificial intelligence will all but guarantee bills can become sentient some day.

HighwayStar

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 01, 2022, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: me
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 02:15:47 AM
Hope that bridge collapse gets the attention of that bill.

How exactly do you get the attention of a bill?
Because they tell you what they are going to do. All the money will go to highways, bridges, airports, rail, etc.

A bill is a series of words that is turned into a law. Do you also try to get the attention of books?
Artificial intelligence will all but guarantee bills can become sentient some day.

I'm just a bill.
Yes, I'm only a bill.
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill....
There are those who travel, and those who travel well

Occidental Tourist

Quote from: HighwayStar on February 01, 2022, 11:26:13 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on February 01, 2022, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 01, 2022, 02:42:31 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 08:16:17 AM
Quote from: me
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 01, 2022, 02:15:47 AM
Hope that bridge collapse gets the attention of that bill.

How exactly do you get the attention of a bill?
Because they tell you what they are going to do. All the money will go to highways, bridges, airports, rail, etc.

A bill is a series of words that is turned into a law. Do you also try to get the attention of books?
Artificial intelligence will all but guarantee bills can become sentient some day.

I'm just a bill.
Yes, I'm only a bill.
And I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill....



I'm an amendment-to-be.
Yes, an amendment-to-be.
And I'm hoping that they'll ratify me.
There's a lot of flag burners
Who have got too much freedom.
I want to make it legal for policemen to beat'em.
'Cause there's limits to our liberties,
At least I hope and pray that there are,
'Cause those liberal freaks go too far. 


Had to include that [/tangent]

hbelkins

My comment about the bureaucracy touched off a tangential discussion about the merits of politically-appointed agency personnel. That wasn't the intent of the comment, but I thought i would mention this as it pertains to my state.

Kentucky's breakdown of executive branch agencies, and the titles of those who head them, are as follows:

Cabinet (secretary)
Department (commissioner)
Division or Office (director or executive director)
Branch (manager)
Section (supervisor)
Unit (supervisor)

Branch, section, and unit managers/supervisors are merit system (civil service) employees. Directors and above are political appointees.

State law requires some of the appointees in KYTC to be PEs. The chief district engineers, also known as executive directors of the Office of Highway District xx, must be PEs. A number of the division directors in Frankfort are also PEs.

Cabinet secretaries may or may not be PEs. There's no requirement. The current secretary, under a Democrat, is not a PE, but has vast experience with a construction company and is a former mayor of the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government. His predecessor, under a Republican, was a PE. And his predecessor, under a Democrat, was also a PE.

So in Kentucky at least, the political appointees often do, and in many cases are required to, have relevant experience and qualifications.
Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
Government can't borrow indefinitely without dire consequences.  And, other countries have found what happens when that occurs:  Regime change.  In other words, the government goes under.


Actually there is a growing field of economic thought that says countries *could* actually borrow indefinitely without much consequence as long as two conditions are met.

1.  They can handle the interest payments on the debt, and

2.  The increase in economic activity due to government spending raises more tax marginal revenue than the marginal cost of the debt.   

And despite massive increases in borrowing, the interest payments on the federal debt have been around 6-7% of the federal budget since about 2000.  A lot of this is because interest rates have remained low, but it is also due to the increased spending with more money in the economy.  In fact, if interest rates remain low, the federal government SHOULD borrow more money.  The increased economic activity will for sure outstrip the cost of the debt.

kalvado

Quote from: SEWIGuy on February 02, 2022, 10:47:34 AM
Quote from: Rothman on February 01, 2022, 03:00:35 PM
Government can't borrow indefinitely without dire consequences.  And, other countries have found what happens when that occurs:  Regime change.  In other words, the government goes under.


Actually there is a growing field of economic thought that says countries *could* actually borrow indefinitely without much consequence as long as two conditions are met.

1.  They can handle the interest payments on the debt, and

2.  The increase in economic activity due to government spending raises more tax marginal revenue than the marginal cost of the debt.   

And despite massive increases in borrowing, the interest payments on the federal debt have been around 6-7% of the federal budget since about 2000.  A lot of this is because interest rates have remained low, but it is also due to the increased spending with more money in the economy.  In fact, if interest rates remain low, the federal government SHOULD borrow more money.  The increased economic activity will for sure outstrip the cost of the debt.
An interesting question is to how to balance the ratio of debt to GDP in this case. That number tends to grow..
I suspect either overall debt load will grow, or payments on debt would be more than annual borrowing..

jamess

" In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business."

How are you online without internet? Anyone who has dealt with comcast/spectrum/at&t etc would know how ridiculous this statement is.

Avalanchez71

So have any of you spent this money yet?

hotdogPi

Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 04, 2022, 12:05:14 PM
So have any of you spent this money yet?

The funds come at the beginning of the next fiscal year, which hasn't started yet.
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tolbs17

Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2022, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 04, 2022, 12:05:14 PM
So have any of you spent this money yet?

The funds come at the beginning of the next fiscal year, which hasn't started yet.
I have to assume that will be in November of when the bill was signed.

skluth

Quote from: jamess on February 04, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
" In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business."

How are you online without internet? Anyone who has dealt with comcast/spectrum/at&t etc would know how ridiculous this statement is.
De facto monopolies are protected by government fiat. The government keeps a lot of bad businesses alive. The bailout of 2008 saved Lehman Brothers and American International Group which deserved to collapse for their combination of incompetence and hubris.

hbelkins

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 05, 2022, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2022, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 04, 2022, 12:05:14 PM
So have any of you spent this money yet?

The funds come at the beginning of the next fiscal year, which hasn't started yet.
I have to assume that will be in November of when the bill was signed.

Federal fiscal year starts Oct. 1.
Government would be tolerable if not for politicians and bureaucrats.

tolbs17

Quote from: hbelkins on February 05, 2022, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on February 05, 2022, 03:42:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 04, 2022, 12:10:51 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on February 04, 2022, 12:05:14 PM
So have any of you spent this money yet?

The funds come at the beginning of the next fiscal year, which hasn't started yet.
I have to assume that will be in November of when the bill was signed.

Federal fiscal year starts Oct. 1.
A long time from now tbh.

Mapmikey

The infrastructure bill is awaiting full funding of FY 2022 (continuing resolution runs out Feb 18).  The bill gives a top number but the actual appropriation process is how it actually gets doled out.

Rothman

Quote from: Mapmikey on February 05, 2022, 08:45:16 PM
The infrastructure bill is awaiting full funding of FY 2022 (continuing resolution runs out Feb 18).  The bill gives a top number but the actual appropriation process is how it actually gets doled out.
We are in FFY 2022, just to clarify your post further.

Federal fiscal years are named by the year the bulk of the FFY lies in.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

HighwayStar

Quote from: jamess on February 04, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
" In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business."

How are you online without internet? Anyone who has dealt with comcast/spectrum/at&t etc would know how ridiculous this statement is.

Really? I have had several of those providers over the years, and 99.999% of the time I had internet. Their core function, to get you online, they do very well. People like to complain about billing and other side issues, but they actually do their primary job quite well.
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Quote from: HighwayStar on February 06, 2022, 12:58:19 PM
Quote from: jamess on February 04, 2022, 11:54:58 AM
" In the private sector companies that are inept, inefficient, or lazy go out of business."

How are you online without internet? Anyone who has dealt with comcast/spectrum/at&t etc would know how ridiculous this statement is.

Really? I have had several of those providers over the years, and 99.999% of the time I had internet. Their core function, to get you online, they do very well. People like to complain about billing and other side issues, but they actually do their primary job quite well.


I've had Spectrum cable and internet for years, literally something like two decades now, and can count the number of times I have actually had to contact them on one hand.  (Other than for moving.)  We are a heavy use family with multiple people streaming, gaming, etc. at the same time too.

And billing?  I set up automatic bill pay when it first came out and haven't had a single problem.

Sometimes people complain just to complain.



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