Locations of full and half Continous Flow Intersections

Started by Revive 755, June 20, 2010, 02:54:07 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Revive 755

Curious has to how many of these intersections have been built, so:

Full

* MO 30 at Summit Road, near Fenton, MO:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.504394,-90.457456&spn=0.003619,0.010986&t=k&z=17

* BL 55 at IL 9, Bloomington, IL (this one is confusing to drive through given the proximity of other intersection on IL 9; really could use to be an interchange on BL 55)
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=40.488068,-88.952769&spn=0.003517,0.010986&t=k&z=17

Half
* Big Bend at Geyer Road, Kirkwood, MO:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.566757,-90.415179&spn=0.001808,0.005493&t=k&z=18

* IL 3 at IL 143, near Wood River, IL:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.857823,-90.108565&spn=0.003601,0.010986&t=k&z=17

Other/Mutants

* Business 51 at IL 105, Decatur, IL.  Two of the turning roadways on one side of the cross road:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=39.822801,-88.957983&spn=0.003551,0.010986&t=h&z=17


Bryant5493

Haven't seen too many, if any, like that.


Be well,

Bryant
Check out my YouTube page (http://youtube.com/Bryant5493). I have numerous road videos of Metro Atlanta and other areas in the Southeast.

I just signed up on photobucket -- here's my page (http://s594.photobucket.com/albums/tt24/Bryant5493).

BigMattFromTexas

What exactly is a full/half continuous flow intersection, I think I have an idea of what it is from looking at the pictures, but I'm not completely sure......
BigMatt

UptownRoadGeek

There's one on Airline Hwy (U.S. 61) in Baton Rouge.

Revive 755

Quote from: BigMatt on June 20, 2010, 04:51:54 PM
What exactly is a full/half continuous flow intersection, I think I have an idea of what it is from looking at the pictures, but I'm not completely sure......
BigMatt

A CFI is an intersection where left turns cross opposing traffic at a signal before the intersection with the cross street.  Right turns from the cross street are aligned so they run parallel to the crossed-over left turns.  For the purpose of this thread, I'm defining a full CFI as an intersection where the left turns are crossed over for both directions of the main street; a half CFI only has left turns crossed over for one direction (there's probably another name for this design, but I can't recall it at the moment - something turning roadway?).

The Maryland site on odd intersections and interchanges has a diagram of a CFI with left turns crossed over on all roadways:
http://attap.umd.edu/UAID_ags.php?UAIDType=5&iFeature=1

roadfro

To add on to Revive 755's explanation: The name "continuous flow" comes from the fact that the main intersection and left-turn crossover signals are all coordinated together, such that once the first signal is green, you should be able to flow continuously through the remainder of the intersection without stopping.

The theory behind CFI's is that by putting the left turns on a separate cross-over roadway, it eliminates left turn signal phasing at the main intersection. When working properly, it should drastically reduce delay at the junction because the signal operates in only two phases (as opposed to the eight phases needed to accommodate all lefts and throughs normally).  The drawback to CFI's is a huge right-of-way, higher construction cost, higher maintenance/upkeep cost with the additional signal heads and signs needed, and greater potential for driver confusion.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

froggie

Adding on to roadfro's comment, another argument used in favor of CFI's (and the one used in the US 61/Baton Rouge case) is that they're cheaper than building an interchange.

BTW, the MD 210/MD 228 junction is an example of a CFI at a 3-way intersection.

BigMattFromTexas

Ok, then I'm pretty sure that it's not what I was thinking, and I'm pretty positive that there's none in San Angelo.
BigMatt

Revive 755


Revive 755


hm insulators

Quote from: roadfro on June 20, 2010, 06:30:52 PM
To add on to Revive 755's explanation: The name "continuous flow" comes from the fact that the main intersection and left-turn crossover signals are all coordinated together, such that once the first signal is green, you should be able to flow continuously through the remainder of the intersection without stopping.

The theory behind CFI's is that by putting the left turns on a separate cross-over roadway, it eliminates left turn signal phasing at the main intersection. When working properly, it should drastically reduce delay at the junction because the signal operates in only two phases (as opposed to the eight phases needed to accommodate all lefts and throughs normally).  The drawback to CFI's is a huge right-of-way, higher construction cost, higher maintenance/upkeep cost with the additional signal heads and signs needed, and greater potential for driver confusion.

And in this day and age of befuddled drivers, do we really need the greater potential for driver confusion? Today's drivers can't even figure out that red lights mean "STOP" and green lights mean "GO" because they're too busy yapping on their cell phones! :pan:

One of the main reasons why I dislike all the new roundabouts that are popping up all over Arizona like weeds except you can't simply spray them with "Round-Up."
Remember: If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

I'd rather be a child of the road than a son of a ditch.


At what age do you tell a highway that it's been adopted?

Scott5114

Quote from: hm insulators on July 01, 2010, 02:09:55 PM
Arizona like weeds except you can't simply spray them with "Round-Up."

Of course you can't; they're already round :pan:
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

aztoucan


Revive 755


pianocello

Davenport, IA -> Valparaiso, IN -> Ames, IA -> Orlando, FL -> Gainesville, FL -> Evansville, IN

Tarkus

There's actually a sort of a half-CFI in Eugene, Oregon along Franklin Blvd (OR-99) at Agate Street, right near the UO campus.

kphoger

I'm feeling too lazy to look for more.  This is just the most recent one I've looked at:

Saltillo, Coahuila
http://g.co/maps/tzcz7

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

agentsteel53

Quote from: roadfro on June 20, 2010, 06:30:52 PM
To add on to Revive 755's explanation: The name "continuous flow" comes from the fact that the main intersection and left-turn crossover signals are all coordinated together, such that once the first signal is green, you should be able to flow continuously through the remainder of the intersection without stopping.

The theory behind CFI's is that by putting the left turns on a separate cross-over roadway, it eliminates left turn signal phasing at the main intersection. When working properly, it should drastically reduce delay at the junction because the signal operates in only two phases (as opposed to the eight phases needed to accommodate all lefts and throughs normally).  The drawback to CFI's is a huge right-of-way, higher construction cost, higher maintenance/upkeep cost with the additional signal heads and signs needed, and greater potential for driver confusion.

I am not sure if I understand how this is coordinated to have both continuous-flow, as well as only two phases.

I am guessing that the two phases of the light are "traffic coming from east or west has right of way" and "traffic coming from north or south has right of way".

so, in the east-west situation, let's say eastbound cars want to turn left - northbound.  They cross over the westbound lanes, as their signal is green.  However, the westbound traffic which does not want to turn is coming westbound.  If both have a green light, then we have an intersection with no protected left phase: east-to-north traffic is coming into conflict with westbound traffic.

is this resolved through timing?  i.e. the east-to-north turning traffic is given a head start of several seconds before the westbound non-turning traffic is given green? 
live from sunny San Diego.

http://shields.aaroads.com

jake@aaroads.com

kphoger

Here's an animated video that should help you understand the timing (this one has crossovers on all four legs):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2NeuXA4lY

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

kphoger

Quote from: kphoger on April 10, 2012, 01:56:00 PM
I'm feeling too lazy to look for more.  This is just the most recent one I've looked at:

Saltillo, Coahuila
http://g.co/maps/tzcz7

Oh, and here's the GMSV of the diagrammatic sign that the highway department thought might be useful to westbound traffic.
http://g.co/maps/rbgbq

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

cpzilliacus

Quote from: froggie on June 21, 2010, 07:11:27 AM
Adding on to roadfro's comment, another argument used in favor of CFI's (and the one used in the US 61/Baton Rouge case) is that they're cheaper than building an interchange.

BTW, the MD 210/MD 228 junction is an example of a CFI at a 3-way intersection.

Adam, I believe the eastern end of the Md. 200 (InterCounty Connector) toll road will be a CFI at U.S. 1 (Baltimore Avenue) between Laurel and Beltsville. 

I believe the state was motivated to build an at-grade CFI (instead of a trumpet interchange, perhaps) because the CSX Capital Subdivision tracks run parallel to (and just east of) U.S. 1.   
Opinions expressed here on AAROADS are strictly personal and mine alone, and do not reflect policies or positions of MWCOG, NCRTPB or their member federal, state, county and municipal governments or any other agency.

Brian556

There's an incomplete one at Shady Oaks Dr & (Future Spencer Rd) in Denton, Tx
Interesting thing is that the left lanes that are left turn only lanes are open even though there is no street to turn left into.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=33.203343,-97.097479&spn=0.001495,0.003133&t=h&z=19

NE2

Quote from: Brian556 on April 11, 2012, 07:56:08 PM
There's an incomplete one at Shady Oaks Dr & (Future Spencer Rd) in Denton, Tx
Interesting thing is that the left lanes that are left turn only lanes are open even though there is no street to turn left into.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=33.203343,-97.097479&spn=0.001495,0.003133&t=h&z=19
That's not a CFI.
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

agentsteel53

#23
Quote from: kphoger on April 10, 2012, 04:30:07 PM
Here's an animated video that should help you understand the timing (this one has crossovers on all four legs):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2NeuXA4lY

yep, all timing-based.  it just stretches the definition of the word "phase", then.

I'm glad there's a second light at the end of the left-turn "chute" because without it, it would be disastrous if slow-moving traffic did not clear the chute before crossing traffic was released across it.
live from sunny San Diego.

http://shields.aaroads.com

jake@aaroads.com

roadfro

Quote from: NE2 on April 11, 2012, 07:59:13 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on April 11, 2012, 07:56:08 PM
There's an incomplete one at Shady Oaks Dr & (Future Spencer Rd) in Denton, Tx
Interesting thing is that the left lanes that are left turn only lanes are open even though there is no street to turn left into.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=33.203343,-97.097479&spn=0.001495,0.003133&t=h&z=19
That's not a CFI.
More specifically, that is (or will be) a High-T intersection.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.