Illinois Road Videos

[Max Rockatansky]

The great thing about being in a flat state is when litter makes it onto a roadway the slightest breeze carries it right into Wisconsin:

https://fb.watch/depfc-Qbjy/

I wonder what the trucking crowd has to say?

[thspfc]

Give me 200 more of these links and I'll be ready to consider Illinois not being flat

Remaining valid nonflat GSV links needed to prove that Illinois isn't flat: 199

Make it 198

This is going to be a tough challenge!  200 is a big number.  So I'll do it in chunks, and see how far I can get.  My goal is to have only one GSV per road–no duplicates.  Here are my first 25 GSV links, plus two bonus ones thrown in at the end.

https://goo.gl/maps/16tEosS5T3Xv9Yqo7 | Old US 51
https://goo.gl/maps/GPFW8H2UagmZEa8F7 | Skyline Dr
https://goo.gl/maps/adAqycaGZYBLFYE98 | IL 127
https://goo.gl/maps/WH4y4WCMgUpFnKTGA | Mountain Glen Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/iD13eWM3SXDYmiGn6 | Bell Hill Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/kPPxVZVJTQH8MU3s6 | US 51
https://goo.gl/maps/yDNRhahi2A4o6eF38 | Lick Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/dRR8bwFtx1o1tE7i8 | I 57
https://goo.gl/maps/k4omzwYys77aia4dA | Goreville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/cVP1GiXEUpMrtfRFA | IL 37
https://goo.gl/maps/ar2nbzkDTaCfuUdA8 | Tunnel Hill Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/BCt8f3TUci4SDPC8A | IL 186
https://goo.gl/maps/RGgY6rKyLAZ74fYC8 | Saraville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/9NX8dZqp9GiqobU3A | US 45
https://goo.gl/maps/SPCoXdX3XXR4sYbr8 | IL 147
https://goo.gl/maps/AtFo9SM4pZYr1ZGC9 | IL 145
https://goo.gl/maps/uitbFcDotesUF1RJ7 | IL 146
https://goo.gl/maps/Tow5Qj8xw62MGzp79 | I 24
https://goo.gl/maps/prEH3mdQ2oVgxCSg8 | North Ave
https://goo.gl/maps/sVV4TBMdfUh1PBeH7 | Grapevine Trl
https://goo.gl/maps/GHwBnDZMFZTNisQZ8 | Mill Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/NnbvcSgpQ8ZDUDYDA | Berryville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/PZ6KHD6QuNJu39rp6 | Alto Water Works Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/GNwupckFsuZDcs6V9 | Makanda Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/TxPPR9Mm61iJpJVj8 | Stonefort Rd

https://goo.gl/maps/XfbKEmenQd9x5Q9Z8 | Bald Knob
https://goo.gl/maps/xiLQDgvckFRc6B4Y9 | Giant City State Park

Oh, boy. I did not expect anyone to actually accept this challenge. But I suppose I'll go through these to weed out the flat ones.

1. is a small hill. The downhill truck sign is deceiving, that wouldn't be there in most states. I'll give half a point.
2. also a small hill. another half point.
3. Rolling terrain, full point.
4. full point
5. full point
6. half point, the road is flat but the hills in the distance are not.
7. half point
8. flat
9. full point
10. flat
11. half point
12. half point
13. flat
14. half point
15. full point
16. half
17. half
18. half
19. half to be nice
20. full
21. full
22. flat
23. flat
24. half
25. you think a big rock makes it not flat?
26. I'll give two points for this
27. full

So, 16 here, out of the necessary 200 nonflat links.

[thspfc]

Batch 26—50

https://goo.gl/maps/FndTXhoyv9SPKHXe9 | Greg Hollow Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/mQbQ8rnnfUwwfrXFA | IL 3
https://goo.gl/maps/yApU3rNmxocCQkaW7 | IL 169
https://goo.gl/maps/YKycpYmZp91tQNkH7 | Rosebud Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/8FsFr1dgZzmpfCqK6 | Clanahan Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/cnzP8rpHGYw1qLDu5 | New Harmony Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/bydAK6nZ5ZAHsNfe8 | IL 34
https://goo.gl/maps/WPghmZiLSjqTWVVL8 | Bassett Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/nXxUuZ2StHo4Eii47 | Tower Rock Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/GgZXhmVjEsL8kch38 | IL 1
https://goo.gl/maps/DepeBPDW5dLNAB3N7 | Karbers Ridge Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/CAatbyYqusxPR27U9 | Forest Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/xuAFqJBGJaKSrMDEA | IL 13
https://goo.gl/maps/pzzxncbxqysDrrfv9 | IL 142
https://goo.gl/maps/LeSCCjmCkQ4VNHBx6 | IL 141
https://goo.gl/maps/zXpwW9gV5JYRKWqK9 | Harco Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/YzN3qn8WayqB2V6v5 | Corinth Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/RLGFoTX7wfVxDgZ98 | Hamilton County Rd 875E
https://goo.gl/maps/zgBwwTFASE6T2DHQ6 | IL 14
https://goo.gl/maps/uRkXiGCkRLQhLGox5 | Town Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/YQmQQBjVfibVpgEZ7 | IL 149
https://goo.gl/maps/Xz4a3rFFMt24bMAo6 | Old IL 13
https://goo.gl/maps/1d5aQZrMtMhGGUgw8 | Giant City Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/6Uj7iCAJqgZkDmex9 | Grassy Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/u8KycRuvWUqWFcta6 | Boskydell Rd

Bonus 3

https://goo.gl/maps/9dQYAzBjigLJRjZk7 | Pounds Escarpment
https://goo.gl/maps/e2LP2tgeSySQPxTf8 | Pounds Hollow
https://goo.gl/maps/YNwVW3nt8R41FqKH8 | Garden of the Gods

26. half
27. 
28. really?
29. 
30. full
31. flat
32. half
33. flat (was expecting more from that road name, which is becoming a theme)
34. the 7 pixels of GSV don't offer many clues, but I'll guess half?
35. flat
36. full
37. half for nonflatness and another half for the pretty GSV
38. half for hills in the distance
39. flat
40. half
41. half
42. pretty GSV
43. full
44. flat
45. flat
46. flat
47. half
48. full
49. full
50. Carhorn already contributed this

So, 2 from Carhorn, 16 from the first batch, and 10 from this batch gives us 28 so far.

[Crash_It]

Give me 200 more of these links and I'll be ready to consider Illinois not being flat

Remaining valid nonflat GSV links needed to prove that Illinois isn't flat: 199

Make it 198

This is going to be a tough challenge!  200 is a big number.  So I'll do it in chunks, and see how far I can get.  My goal is to have only one GSV per road–no duplicates.  Here are my first 25 GSV links, plus two bonus ones thrown in at the end.

https://goo.gl/maps/16tEosS5T3Xv9Yqo7 | Old US 51
https://goo.gl/maps/GPFW8H2UagmZEa8F7 | Skyline Dr
https://goo.gl/maps/adAqycaGZYBLFYE98 | IL 127
https://goo.gl/maps/WH4y4WCMgUpFnKTGA | Mountain Glen Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/iD13eWM3SXDYmiGn6 | Bell Hill Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/kPPxVZVJTQH8MU3s6 | US 51
https://goo.gl/maps/yDNRhahi2A4o6eF38 | Lick Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/dRR8bwFtx1o1tE7i8 | I 57
https://goo.gl/maps/k4omzwYys77aia4dA | Goreville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/cVP1GiXEUpMrtfRFA | IL 37
https://goo.gl/maps/ar2nbzkDTaCfuUdA8 | Tunnel Hill Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/BCt8f3TUci4SDPC8A | IL 186
https://goo.gl/maps/RGgY6rKyLAZ74fYC8 | Saraville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/9NX8dZqp9GiqobU3A | US 45
https://goo.gl/maps/SPCoXdX3XXR4sYbr8 | IL 147
https://goo.gl/maps/AtFo9SM4pZYr1ZGC9 | IL 145
https://goo.gl/maps/uitbFcDotesUF1RJ7 | IL 146
https://goo.gl/maps/Tow5Qj8xw62MGzp79 | I 24
https://goo.gl/maps/prEH3mdQ2oVgxCSg8 | North Ave
https://goo.gl/maps/sVV4TBMdfUh1PBeH7 | Grapevine Trl
https://goo.gl/maps/GHwBnDZMFZTNisQZ8 | Mill Creek Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/NnbvcSgpQ8ZDUDYDA | Berryville Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/PZ6KHD6QuNJu39rp6 | Alto Water Works Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/GNwupckFsuZDcs6V9 | Makanda Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/TxPPR9Mm61iJpJVj8 | Stonefort Rd

https://goo.gl/maps/XfbKEmenQd9x5Q9Z8 | Bald Knob
https://goo.gl/maps/xiLQDgvckFRc6B4Y9 | Giant City State Park

Oh, boy. I did not expect anyone to actually accept this challenge. But I suppose I'll go through these to weed out the flat ones.

1. is a small hill. The downhill truck sign is deceiving, that wouldn't be there in most states. I'll give half a point.
2. also a small hill. another half point.
3. Rolling terrain, full point.
4. full point
5. full point
6. half point, the road is flat but the hills in the distance are not.
7. half point
8. flat
9. full point
10. flat
11. half point
12. half point
13. flat
14. half point
15. full point
16. half
17. half
18. half
19. half to be nice
20. full
21. full
22. flat
23. flat
24. half
25. you think a big rock makes it not flat?
26. I'll give two points for this
27. full

So, 16 here, out of the necessary 200 nonflat links.

None of what you said that's flat is flat..

This is flat

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HYzoSJJ6rTas3VA18

Note how far you can see in all directions without an obstruction that's not a tree or building

[Flint1979]

When Illinois gets something like this than you can consider it not flat.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.449666,-79.6547105,3a,75y,78.08h,101.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1hfmktWxcKtcehyBhCQeA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

Pretty sure we have that somewhere in the Ozark plateau or even the driftless zone. No flat road or state would have something like this posted on the side of the road:

https://goo.gl/maps/DaF5V4tX9JdiVMwk7

certainly not in Louisiana or Mississippi.

The image that you showed is nowhere close to as hilly as the image I showed. Mine is from Highland County Virginia which has an average elevation of 2,832 feet above sea level. Good luck finding that anywhere in Illinois. One sign doesn't determine if Illinois is flat or not btw. Highland County has one of the highest average elevations east of the Mississippi and you are going to find something like that in the Ozark Plateau or the driftless zone? Yeah right.

[Flint1979]

When Illinois gets something like this than you can consider it not flat.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.449666,-79.6547105,3a,75y,78.08h,101.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl1hfmktWxcKtcehyBhCQeA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

The amusing thing for me is having lived on the West Coast half my life the East Coast ranges don't tend to feel all that impressive very often anymore.  The first half of my life when I lived in the Midwest and East Coast they did.

The western US is huge and their mountains are impressive. The eastern US not as much I agree.

[thspfc]

Excited to analyze Carhorn's submissions, kphoger is at a success rate of just above 50%, so we'll see who the king of Illinois GSV is.

For what it's worth, I don't expect to make it to 200, and I think it's an unreasonable target to hit.  But it's still a fun challenge anyway.

I think we can do it, the IL extension of the Ozark plateau has numerous examples alone. Here are some from the northern tier of the state which are outside of the Ozark plateau, some even outside of the driftless area.

https://goo.gl/maps/deVwGTfzTA6Bid1UA | 29th Street
https://goo.gl/maps/DgtZojWmESP1A3cRA | IL131
https://goo.gl/maps/s6AEa4984PBp2dAN8 | 9th Street
https://goo.gl/maps/nneAZB1mhdpLsZPQ9 | IL173 (Lake County)
https://goo.gl/maps/fK65QZwWLEce6rfi6 | Hunt Club Rd, Hills off to the sides
https://goo.gl/maps/Sm1iVUDtfmiv9wtS9 | I94
https://goo.gl/maps/WwcTfszj2Kt9pc2U9 | Dilley's Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/nMNT5ncrNdHSfz1K7 | Delany Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/d1zidah84WfivajF8 | Yorkhouse Rd (drivers tend to go slow and ride the brakes here)
https://goo.gl/maps/tLw7HL4ojWzEX2dQA | McAree Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/j5fCUrNKv6ttcxG66 | Jackson St
https://goo.gl/maps/JFjSBddi12iq8PUE8 | Roosevelt Park and nearby Washington St
https://goo.gl/maps/jTdam2mGquAXDc2D7 | South Ave
https://goo.gl/maps/UqKQU7HUrNwUhSsr6 | IL21
https://goo.gl/maps/1aHjFrU9aGAVjCvZA  | Casey Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/wuR9qyUY6deAQMph9 |Almond Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/c8VNmaVHrZbeutKz5 | IL120
https://goo.gl/maps/ztzuuXkd9gGXc2Uj8 | IL137 (another brake rider for wimpy drivers)
https://goo.gl/maps/DALYihr5cE5TXTP5A | Midlothian Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/FqXoWHh9T7RTyP796 | Gilmer Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/UkyLfiUEfKtRLnYN6 | IL22
https://goo.gl/maps/rTKFNQseLW7XbZrB6 | Diamond Lake Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/DhNCG4kv1ariGSqo7 | Old McHenry Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/TJZQpxPZQrWwFapj6 | Cuba Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/5RtmrEABVjwrKCSC7 | Krueger Rd

This is just Lake County alone and stuff I drive on daily.

1. You can't be serious
2. better but still flat
3. flat
4. half
5. *trees off to the sides
6. flat
7. Wow! Trees!
8. flat
9. maybe that's because of the blind curve, rather than the nonexistent hill?
10. half
11. flat
12. A creekbed? Really?
13. half
14. flat
15. "hill" in "hill blocks view" is always used loosely
16. flat
17. flat
18. flat
19. flat
20. flat
21. half
22. cool road name, but half
23. flat
24. flat
25. flat

2.5 points. 30.5 is the total as of now.

[Scott5114]

A thousand points to Kyle because thspfc apparently has no idea what the word flat means.

[SSOWorld]

A thousand points to Kyle because thspfc apparently has no idea what the word flat means.

Many of us don't according to Crash_It

[Scott5114]

People who don't know flat aren't in my shoes of my neighborhood.

[Crash_It]

Excited to analyze Carhorn's submissions, kphoger is at a success rate of just above 50%, so we'll see who the king of Illinois GSV is.

For what it's worth, I don't expect to make it to 200, and I think it's an unreasonable target to hit.  But it's still a fun challenge anyway.

I think we can do it, the IL extension of the Ozark plateau has numerous examples alone. Here are some from the northern tier of the state which are outside of the Ozark plateau, some even outside of the driftless area.

https://goo.gl/maps/deVwGTfzTA6Bid1UA | 29th Street
https://goo.gl/maps/DgtZojWmESP1A3cRA | IL131
https://goo.gl/maps/s6AEa4984PBp2dAN8 | 9th Street
https://goo.gl/maps/nneAZB1mhdpLsZPQ9 | IL173 (Lake County)
https://goo.gl/maps/fK65QZwWLEce6rfi6 | Hunt Club Rd, Hills off to the sides
https://goo.gl/maps/Sm1iVUDtfmiv9wtS9 | I94
https://goo.gl/maps/WwcTfszj2Kt9pc2U9 | Dilley's Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/nMNT5ncrNdHSfz1K7 | Delany Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/d1zidah84WfivajF8 | Yorkhouse Rd (drivers tend to go slow and ride the brakes here)
https://goo.gl/maps/tLw7HL4ojWzEX2dQA | McAree Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/j5fCUrNKv6ttcxG66 | Jackson St
https://goo.gl/maps/JFjSBddi12iq8PUE8 | Roosevelt Park and nearby Washington St
https://goo.gl/maps/jTdam2mGquAXDc2D7 | South Ave
https://goo.gl/maps/UqKQU7HUrNwUhSsr6 | IL21
https://goo.gl/maps/1aHjFrU9aGAVjCvZA  | Casey Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/wuR9qyUY6deAQMph9 |Almond Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/c8VNmaVHrZbeutKz5 | IL120
https://goo.gl/maps/ztzuuXkd9gGXc2Uj8 | IL137 (another brake rider for wimpy drivers)
https://goo.gl/maps/DALYihr5cE5TXTP5A | Midlothian Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/FqXoWHh9T7RTyP796 | Gilmer Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/UkyLfiUEfKtRLnYN6 | IL22
https://goo.gl/maps/rTKFNQseLW7XbZrB6 | Diamond Lake Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/DhNCG4kv1ariGSqo7 | Old McHenry Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/TJZQpxPZQrWwFapj6 | Cuba Rd
https://goo.gl/maps/5RtmrEABVjwrKCSC7 | Krueger Rd

This is just Lake County alone and stuff I drive on daily.

1. You can't be serious
2. better but still flat
3. flat
4. half
5. *trees off to the sides
6. flat
7. Wow! Trees!
8. flat
9. maybe that's because of the blind curve, rather than the nonexistent hill?
10. half
11. flat
12. A creekbed? Really?
13. half
14. flat
15. "hill" in "hill blocks view" is always used loosely
16. flat
17. flat
18. flat
19. flat
20. flat
21. half
22. cool road name, but half
23. flat
24. flat
25. flat

2.5 points. 30.5 is the total as of now.

A hill blocks view sign would not be posted on flat land. Again, look at my post above for what an example of flat land is.

[SSOWorld]

People who don't know flat aren't in my shoes of my neighborhood.

Yours isn't flat, it's angled

[kphoger]

A thousand points to Kyle because thspfc apparently has no idea what the word flat means.

Whose line is it anyway?

My favorite is that he responded with "flat" about a GSV shot on a road with a climbing lane.

[kphoger]

[28 links]

[25 responses]

You're skipping some.

[thspfc]

[28 links]

[25 responses]

You're skipping some.

K, I'll give you 3 free points for skips, bringing your total to 33.5. Though I haven't looked at the most recent ones yet.

[thspfc]

A thousand points to Kyle because thspfc apparently has no idea what the word flat means.

So here's who thinks "flat" means put a leveling tool on the ground and have the bubble exactly in the middle to the millimeter:

- Illinois resident
- former Illinois and now Kansas resident
- Oklahoma resident

Can we get some diversity of sources on this?

[kphoger]

K, I'll give you 3 free points for skips, bringing your total to 33.5. Though I haven't looked at the most recent ones yet.

It kind of doesn't matter, because you think hills are flat.

[thspfc]

K, I'll give you 3 free points for skips, bringing your total to 33.5. Though I haven't looked at the most recent ones yet.

It kind of doesn't matter, because you think hills are flat.

I think ditches are flat, yes. The ones with small hills get half a point. The ones with real hills get a full point.

[Scott5114]

[28 links]

[25 responses]

You're skipping some.

K, I'll give you 3 free points for skips, bringing your total to 33.5. Though I haven't looked at the most recent ones yet.

No, his total is 1033.5. I gave him a thousand points, remember?

[vdeane]

A thousand points to Kyle because thspfc apparently has no idea what the word flat means.

So here's who thinks "flat" means put a leveling tool on the ground and have the bubble exactly in the middle to the millimeter:

- Illinois resident
- former Illinois and now Kansas resident
- Oklahoma resident

Can we get some diversity of sources on this?

Yes, I think it's very telling that those who are defending Carhorn on this are all from the Great Plains.  Where one lives can certainly influence what one considers to be "flat".  For instance, back when I was growing up, I thought this was a hill.  Now, not so much.  This is more of a hill.  Still, "I can find a hill in Illinois" or even "this small piece of Illinois has hills" does not qualify Illinois from being flat (overall).  Ironically, Carhorn's example of somewhere that he considers flat seems to be representative of the majority of the state per the terrain layer and some street view exploration.  Yeah, the southern and northwest corners are hilly... but the vast majority of the state is grade A Flatlandia.

[kphoger]

https://goo.gl/maps/dRR8bwFtx1o1tE7i8 | I 57

8. flat

I think ditches are flat, yes. The ones with small hills get half a point. The ones with real hills get a full point.

You called a straight-on shot of a glacial boundary with a 350-foot elevation gain "flat".  Are you saying that counts as a "ditch"?

[Crash_It]

A thousand points to Kyle because thspfc apparently has no idea what the word flat means.

So here's who thinks "flat" means put a leveling tool on the ground and have the bubble exactly in the middle to the millimeter:

- Illinois resident
- former Illinois and now Kansas resident
- Oklahoma resident

Can we get some diversity of sources on this?

Yes, I think it's very telling that those who are defending Carhorn on this are all from the Great Plains.  Where one lives can certainly influence what one considers to be "flat".  For instance, back when I was growing up, I thought this was a hill.  Now, not so much.  This is more of a hill.  Still, "I can find a hill in Illinois" or even "this small piece of Illinois has hills" does not qualify Illinois from being flat (overall).  Ironically, Carhorn's example of somewhere that he considers flat seems to be representative of the majority of the state per the terrain layer and some street view exploration.  Yeah, the southern and northwest corners are hilly... but the vast majority of the state is grade A Flatlandia.

Problem is, looking at the state with the terrain layer enabled shows that it's not all like that. The area I referenced in that example a few posts back was in Douglas County which is the flattest county in the state. There are no other counties in the state that look like Douglas County on the terrain layer for a significant amount of distance. This is the only area in Illinois that can be found to be truly flat. One can see this on I57 from just South of Champaign to Neoga. The terrain layer on Google maps verifies this. Around Neoga the landscape looks less like Douglas County and more like McHenry County.

Edit: Even Douglas County has some hilly terrain, granted it's on the edge of the county but hilly terrain nonetheless

https://maps.app.goo.gl/m7VUjy1XnXxXYgrJ6

[Scott5114]

A thousand points to Kyle because thspfc apparently has no idea what the word flat means.

So here's who thinks "flat" means put a leveling tool on the ground and have the bubble exactly in the middle to the millimeter:

- Illinois resident
- former Illinois and now Kansas resident
- Oklahoma resident

Can we get some diversity of sources on this?

Yes, I think it's very telling that those who are defending Carhorn on this are all from the Great Plains.  Where one lives can certainly influence what one considers to be "flat".  For instance, back when I was growing up, I thought this was a hill.  Now, not so much.  This is more of a hill.  Still, "I can find a hill in Illinois" or even "this small piece of Illinois has hills" does not qualify Illinois from being flat (overall).  Ironically, Carhorn's example of somewhere that he considers flat seems to be representative of the majority of the state per the terrain layer and some street view exploration.  Yeah, the southern and northwest corners are hilly... but the vast majority of the state is grade A Flatlandia.

Everyone can be wrong. Yeah, the majority of Illinois is flat. Yeah, a lot of the stuff Crash posts claiming to be hilly is not really hilly. But thspc's insisting that anything less than a 50% grade is flat is also really silly.

My yardstick for whether something is flat or not is whether I would notice the grade if I were to ride up it on a bicycle. If I would consider stopping and taking a breather before attempting to continue up it, it's not flat.

[kphoger]

Yeah, the majority of Illinois is flat.

Yeah, a lot of the stuff Crash posts claiming to be hilly is not really hilly.

For the record, I wholeheartedly agree with both of those statements.

Remember, after all, that I'm the one who started the "IL is mostly but not completely flat, but most of its hills are unexceptional" thread.  The title sums up my honest opinion about Illinois's topography.

[JoePCool14]

Re: Flat Wars: Episode I: The Illinois Menace