Gordie Howe Bridge (US-Canada)

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Evan_Th

Quote from: mgk920 on July 25, 2023, 10:40:29 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 25, 2023, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
When it's completed ON Highway 401 will finally connect to the US interstate system. That will be a milestone considering the only other freeway connection is ON 402 at the moment tying into I-69/94 at Port Huron.

What about ON 405 connecting to Interstate 190?

Ditto I-95 feeding into NB 95?

There's no freeway connection between New Brunswick and the rest of Canada.  If we're just listing freeway-grade border crossings, we should also cite BC 99 meeting I-5.

Mike


vdeane

I-95/NB 95 is one of many that are "connected except for a single at-grade just north of the border".  See also I-87/A-15, I-91/A-55, and I-5/BC 99.

As for New Brunswick being connected to the ON/QC freeway system, it should be soon once A-85 is finished.

Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 25, 2023, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
When it's completed ON Highway 401 will finally connect to the US interstate system. That will be a milestone considering the only other freeway connection is ON 402 at the moment tying into I-69/94 at Port Huron.

What about ON 405 connecting to Interstate 190?

ON 405 and ON 401 don't intersect.  405 is a spur of QEW not directly connected to 401.
The QEW is a freeway, so if we're talking connections between ON's freeway system and the interstates, I'd count it (even if the designation officially stops short on the Ontario side).  There are no at-grades at the Peace Bridge connection anymore either, so I'd argue the QEW is as well, as a super-2 (roadgeek definition).
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Ellie

Quote from: vdeane on July 25, 2023, 01:02:12 PM
I-95/NB 95 is one of many that are "connected except for a single at-grade just north of the border".  See also I-87/A-15, I-91/A-55, and I-5/BC 99.

As for New Brunswick being connected to the ON/QC freeway system, it should be soon once A-85 is finished.

Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 09:50:31 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 25, 2023, 09:48:49 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on July 25, 2023, 07:46:58 AM
When it's completed ON Highway 401 will finally connect to the US interstate system. That will be a milestone considering the only other freeway connection is ON 402 at the moment tying into I-69/94 at Port Huron.

What about ON 405 connecting to Interstate 190?

ON 405 and ON 401 don't intersect.  405 is a spur of QEW not directly connected to 401.
The QEW is a freeway, so if we're talking connections between ON's freeway system and the interstates, I'd count it (even if the designation officially stops short on the Ontario side).  There are no at-grades at the Peace Bridge connection anymore either, so I'd argue the QEW is as well, as a super-2 (roadgeek definition).

The QEW is also considered a 400-series highway and internally designated as Highway 451. Connections to it should count.

Flint1979

I'm pretty sure it's all freeway through Canada between Detroit and Buffalo on the US side on both ends. To go around the southern shore of Lake Erie takes about another 2 hours and adds 100 or so miles.

JREwing78

Quote from: Flint1979 on July 29, 2023, 11:38:41 AM
I'm pretty sure it's all freeway through Canada between Detroit and Buffalo on the US side on both ends. To go around the southern shore of Lake Erie takes about another 2 hours and adds 100 or so miles.

Will be when the Gordie Howe opens. Right now you have that roughly 3 mile stretch of Huron Church Rd right through Windsor to make the connection to the Ambassador Bridge. Otherwise, yes, it's fully freeway between the two points.

Blue Water Bridge is fully freeway-to-freeway, of course.

Plutonic Panda

Progress on the Michigan side:




catch22

#156
 Time-lapse video of the bridge project showing progress from April 2022 to July 2023.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKZxHPQ9VTk

Flint1979

Quote from: JREwing78 on July 31, 2023, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on July 29, 2023, 11:38:41 AM
I'm pretty sure it's all freeway through Canada between Detroit and Buffalo on the US side on both ends. To go around the southern shore of Lake Erie takes about another 2 hours and adds 100 or so miles.

Will be when the Gordie Howe opens. Right now you have that roughly 3 mile stretch of Huron Church Rd right through Windsor to make the connection to the Ambassador Bridge. Otherwise, yes, it's fully freeway between the two points.

Blue Water Bridge is fully freeway-to-freeway, of course.
Close enough though, you can make it to Windsor on all freeways from Buffalo.

cbeach40

Quote from: Ellie on July 29, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
The QEW is also considered a 400-series highway

This is true

Quote from: Ellie on July 29, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
and internally designated as Highway 451.

This is not. The highway is designated as The Queen Elizabeth Way, no other designation is applied to it.

There is some software that is used internally that will only accept numerical inputs so for convenience staff will put a number 1 in place, but that's a placeholder not a designation. It is only designated with the name.
and waterrrrrrr!

The Ghostbuster

This is the only signs of construction on Google Maps Satellite View: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3025361,-83.0992933,1342m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu. I assume I'm looking at the right location.

cbeach40

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on August 28, 2023, 11:27:16 AM
This is the only signs of construction on Google Maps Satellite View: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3025361,-83.0992933,1342m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu. I assume I'm looking at the right location.

That's part of it. Judging by the progress on the tower and deck looks like about November 2022 it was taken.
and waterrrrrrr!

Flint1979

A few weeks ago I had to play taxi driver for these older guys my dad knows from the airport to downtown for a Tigers game. On the way there I was re-routed to downtown via the SB Southfield to the NB Fisher so I got to drive over the Rouge River Bridge, You can tell they are making progress on it, they have a lot of the support beams and towers and everything built and ready for a roadway, they aren't too far out into the river yet but are getting close. This was from about three weeks ago so they've probably made a little more progress since.

bessertc

Quote from: cbeach40 on August 28, 2023, 10:44:47 AM
Quote from: Ellie on July 29, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
The QEW is also considered a 400-series highway

This is true

Quote from: Ellie on July 29, 2023, 09:55:18 AM
and internally designated as Highway 451.

This is not. The highway is designated as The Queen Elizabeth Way, no other designation is applied to it.

There is some software that is used internally that will only accept numerical inputs so for convenience staff will put a number 1 in place, but that's a placeholder not a designation. It is only designated with the name.

"Back in the day"TM when us in the "roadgeek" community heard the QEW was referenced as "Highway 451" in internal documentation (and then sometimes as "Highway 1"), I believe we all just went with the "Highway 451 is the internal (MTO) designation for the QEW" view. But from reading what you've posted in another thread awhile back, the more appropriate description would be "The QEW has, on occasion, been alternatively referred to as 'Highway 451' in various internal MTO reports and documentation, but solely due to data entry and/or database schema limitations." Basically, it's a halfway point between a true "secret/internal/unposted designation" and a standard signed-and-referenced-as-posted route designation (e.g. Hwy 401 is Hwy 401). Here in Michigan, we have the Capitol Loop in Lansing which it is always publicly referred to as and signed as in the field, but I've seen a few internal MDOT documents which have referred to it as "CL I-496" as in Business Capitol Loop I-496–an Interstate Business Connection of I-496 which received its own unique signage as opposed to standard BL I-496 route markers. To be honest, I don't know if I'd say "CL I-496" was a secret/internal/unposted route designation or not. Maybe that's halfway between truly secret designation and the QEW's quasi-secret designation? Shades of grey...
Drive right. Pass Left. Please!

Flint1979

The Gordie Howe Bridge is coming along nicely.

1995hoo

Looks ready for Bo and Luke to give it a try.
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commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

wanderer2575

Quote from: 1995hoo on November 24, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
Looks ready for Bo and Luke to give it a try.

Rosco and Flash would never make it.  Definitely would scuff their vehicle.

The Ghostbuster

Construction of the bridge looks pretty good. Hopefully, someone could drive it and get close-up pictures of it when it opens in 2025.

Henry

Quote from: wanderer2575 on November 24, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 24, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
Looks ready for Bo and Luke to give it a try.

Rosco and Flash would never make it.  Definitely would scuff their vehicle.
But Michael Knight and KITT could. That (along with the Dukes' General Lee) makes two of Detroit's most famous TV cars ever.
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna win today!

GaryV

Might need those span-jumping vehicles for a bit longer. The Detroit News reports that pandemic delays might cause the opening to be delayed until 2025:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2023/12/06/opening-date-for-gordie-howe-bridge-may-be-delayed/71824404007/

Papa Emeritus

Quote from: wanderer2575 on November 24, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 24, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
Looks ready for Bo and Luke to give it a try.

Rosco and Flash would never make it.  Definitely would scuff their vehicle.

I think Jake and Elwood Blues could make it. However, if any Illinois Nazis were protesting on the bridge, it would be a steep drop to the water.

Flint1979

View from the 67th floor of the Renaissance Center.

Rothman

Quote from: Flint1979 on December 17, 2023, 07:39:18 PM
View from the 67th floor of the Renaissance Center.
My father was there for the grand opening of the Center many moons ago.  Detroit had a well-armed army of police in armor with machine guns to "keep the city out" as he put it.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Stephane Dumas

Quote from: Henry on November 24, 2023, 07:03:24 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on November 24, 2023, 11:02:12 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on November 24, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
Looks ready for Bo and Luke to give it a try.

Rosco and Flash would never make it.  Definitely would scuff their vehicle.
But Michael Knight and KITT could. That (along with the Dukes' General Lee) makes two of Detroit's most famous TV cars ever.

Let's see if other tv cars from around the world would make it. Speed Racer with his Mach V will probably do.  James Bond's Lotus Esprit used in "The Spy who Loved Me" will probably miss it but it'll turn into a submarine to cross the Detroit River. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1MDwVRgoQc

Rothman

Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

The Ghostbuster

Was there a park torn down for the construction of the Gordie Howe Bridge? Within the construction of the bridge on the US side of the Detroit River is the name South Rademacher Park. Can anyone tell me about that park?



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