Georgia

[SSF]

It used to be that Google routed that trip via I-75 and US 319 (US 319 is interesting as hell to me, BTW), but now I-85/185-US 27-FL 65 is the favored route, likely because almost all of US 27 in Georgia has been four laned. It's a lot quicker that the other way, but it's so-o-o-o-o boring. Per current GDOT practice, the two roadways are always exactly alike, the median is exactly 44 feet, no deviation allowed. Traffic is sparse, and so are services. There's a c-store at Cusseta, another plus a Huddle House at Cuthbert, and nothing else until Colquitt. OK, I suppose there's something at Blakely, but not on US 27.

Yep, that sounds about right. Went to visit family in the Panhandle for Christmas last year (or was it 2012? I forget) - normally that's the standard Atlanta-to-Panama City route, I-85 to I-185 to US 80 to US 431 to US 231, but I decided to try out US 27 to GA 91 instead. Certainly got the job done, as there somehow managed to be no traffic whatsoever on what I would've thought to have been a heavy holiday travel day, but yeah, pretty much the only remotely interesting thing on the route was the still-ongoing construction on one segment (either south of Cuthbert or south of Blakely, I can't recall which). Not really sure traffic even warranted the four-laning, to be quite honest.

Traffic doesn't warrant it, it just happens to be a GRIP corridor(if that terminology is even still used), so it will be 4-laned. 

I think that work zone is south of Cuthbert as the only notable thing i found about the Blakely area was the college cafeteria; that is where GDOT personnel pointed me for lunch, such are the slim pickings that you are dealing with in that area.

[Tom958]

One other interesting thing in that part of Georgia is the Bainbridge Bypass, which was built as full freeway, though to the very low design standards of the late '50's-early '60's. The interchanges are very closely spaced, too. It'd be a problem if traffic volumes weren't as low as they are.

To me, it's a mystery of history why that bypass was built as a freeway while those of Thomasville and Camilla, of about the same vintage, weren't.

[Tom958]

Double post! It's well before 5am and I feel like writing. 

i ended up returning to the ATL by way of 319 through Tallahassee and Tifton, thereby reminding myself why I-75 in Henry County is on my avoid unless absolutely necessary list, especially northbound. This time the slog actually started in Butts County and continued until after Eagles Landing Parkway and the recently-added auxiliary lanes from there to I-675. How bad was it? It was worse than my 6:45am and 4:45pm forays onto I-85 from 316 to 285 yesterday (though, admittedly, it was a good day on 85 for a Monday), and twice as long. Not good for fourish on Saturday afternoon. And while I've not had the same problem myself southbound, on Saturday southbound 75 in Henry County looked even worse than northbound.

There's a project slated to build a reversible two lane toll roadway there, but, gee, I dunno. I don't like the idea of feeding the gaping maw of Atlanta's sprawl monster with more asphalt, but off-peak congestion of that magnitude is a state and even a national level problem that a reversible facility won't fully address. The obvious solution of ten laning the whole damn thing suggests itself, especially since the extra width would make it easier to correct any issues with the original pavement (long ago buried under asphalt) and subgrade.

Also in Henry County, construction continues on the replacement bridge at Jodeco Road, which would leave only the southernmost two legacy interchange bridges between Forsyth and Atlanta. The spans over the 75 mainline look longer than usual, plus there are bays between the end bents and the abutments for CD roads. It looks as though they're going for a four loop design with CDs or perhaps a two-loop parclo like the one at Mt Zion, but I don't see any preparation for building loop ramps, and the terminal of the northbound offramp to Jodeco appears to have been widened recently.

Further south, the replacement of the original early '60's concrete pavement (but not the fifth and sixth lanes added in the '90's!) on I-75 between Cordele and Perry continues. All traffic is now on the northbound roadway, and the onramp merging lanes are so short as to essentially be nonexistent. IMO, a case could be made for closing said onramps and detouring the traffic to US 41 until beyond the construction zone. I don't recall seeing this detour scheme before: I think the sequence goes:

1. Remove the left asphalt shoulder in one direction and replace it with a new concrete shoulder plus an asphalt shoulder extension about five or six feet wide. If there's a guardrail in the way of the shoulder extension, tear it out and build a new one on the other side (this part of I-75 is straight enough to do that, because there's little difference in elevation between the two roadways. That's not usually the case).

2. Divert traffic on that roadway to the left lane and new shoulders, then remove and replace the two right lanes and shoulder.

3. Move all traffic onto the completed roadway and rebuild the other side.

Until the project is completed, there are only four lanes, not six. But once it's done, I-75 and I-475 from Wildwood to Chattanooga will once again be the nation's longest stretch of freeway with six or more lanes (if you dismiss the chokedown at the northern end of I-475 as being there for operational reasons and therefore not counting as four lanes). 

But everyone here already knows that. 

I also uploaded a bunch of photos for a feature about US 319 between Tallahassee and Tifton. Hopefully I'll get around to posting it before too long.

[lordsutch]

There's a project slated to build a reversible two lane toll roadway there, but, gee, I dunno. I don't like the idea of feeding the gaping maw of Atlanta's sprawl monster with more asphalt, but off-peak congestion of that magnitude is a state and even a national level problem that a reversible facility won't fully address. The obvious solution of ten laning the whole damn thing suggests itself, especially since the extra width would make it easier to correct any issues with the original pavement (long ago buried under asphalt) and subgrade.

Also in Henry County, construction continues on the replacement bridge at Jodeco Road, which would leave only the southernmost two legacy interchange bridges between Forsyth and Atlanta. The spans over the 75 mainline look longer than usual, plus there are bays between the end bents and the abutments for CD roads. It looks as though they're going for a four loop design with CDs or perhaps a two-loop parclo like the one at Mt Zion, but I don't see any preparation for building loop ramps, and the terminal of the northbound offramp to Jodeco appears to have been widened recently.

In the case of Jodeco, GDOT is surely building the new overpass to both accommodate the tolled reversible roadway (which is planned to start construction this fall) and either future widening or the Atlanta-Macon-Jax HSR line. As far as the ramp design goes, it's planned as just a really wide diamond; pull up the info at http://www.dot.ga.gov/Projects/Pages/PublicOutreach.aspx.

Once the mess at Jodeco is done, I think I-75 in this area will operate a lot more smoothly for a while, although I can certainly see a case for adding auxiliary lanes between interchanges down to the 155 interchange given the relatively close spacing of the interchanges through here.

Long-term this is one of the few areas on the Interstate system (from I-675 to I-475) where a substantial share of the traffic is non-local from end-to-end, which suggests some justification for a full express-local setup.

[Tom958]

In the case of Jodeco, GDOT is surely building the new overpass to both accommodate the tolled reversible roadway (which is planned to start construction this fall) and either future widening or the Atlanta-Macon-Jax HSR line. As far as the ramp design goes, it's planned as just a really wide diamond; pull up the info at http://www.dot.ga.gov/Projects/Pages/PublicOutreach.aspx.

To my own amazement, I actually read the Project Concept Report. Well, most of it. And way down in the evaluation of VE proposals (item A-7, to be specific), I found this:

... The current design will accommodate the Managed Lanes Systems Plan's ultimate buildout of a non-reversible lane system.

So that's why the Jodeco Road bridge is symmetrical about the centerline of I-75 like all the others. Still doesn't explain the CD pockets, though. Oh, well, it won't be the first time that GDOT has built provision for CD's without any reasonable prospect of ever using them (see I-285 at Memorial Drive).

Once the mess at Jodeco is done, I think I-75 in this area will operate a lot more smoothly for a while, although I can certainly see a case for adding auxiliary lanes between interchanges down to the 155 interchange given the relatively close spacing of the interchanges through here.

I don't. It sucks now, and will only suck harder in years to come. The Project Concept Report I read didn't even mention off-peak congestion, which, unless I have an uncanny knack for showing there up only when traffic is horrible, is already a serious problem.

I already said that the backup I experienced Saturday started way down in Butts County. And it's not the first time, though I've never seen it start quite so far south before. Southbound, the slog didn't abate until Locust Grove, well past the project terminus.

Long-term this is one of the few areas on the Interstate system (from I-675 to I-475) where a substantial share of the traffic is non-local from end-to-end, which suggests some justification for a full express-local setup.

We'll see, I guess. There's always the Managed Lanes Systems Plan. 

[lordsutch]

I don't. It sucks now, and will only suck harder in years to come. The Project Concept Report I read didn't even mention off-peak congestion, which, unless I have an uncanny knack for showing there up only when traffic is horrible, is already a serious problem.

Yeah, I don't know what the solution to the off-peak issues is exactly, although usually the underlying problem is a wreck or aggressive drug interdiction/revenue enhancement causing everyone to rubberneck or decide to slow down to 65 or less (the tourists don't realize that they can't even get ticketed in Georgia except by GSP unless they're more than 10 over, and GSP doesn't bother usually either). Extending the managed lanes to Forsyth wouldn't be that expensive, really, once they get past 155 (very wide overpass already at GA 16), but if you do that you're going to need bidirectional local access too which may just push things back in the crapper. I don't think a fourth lane alone will fix much in the rural part of the corridor; maybe express-local would, and with Peach Pass interoperability allegedly coming by the end of 2014 there might be a market for a rural express-local setup if they could do it cheaply. If they can ever get people to stop whining about tolls in Georgia that is.

Long-term you might have to revive the original idea for I-75 as a parallel route; the legend around these parts that I've seen once or twice is that I-75 was originally supposed to follow the 41/341 corridor to Perry and bypass Macon, although I can't see any evidence for this in froggie's scans of the Yellow Book or its predecessors except maybe the 1938 toll road plan (which is so vague, it's a straight line). Certainly the kink in I-75 south of Atlanta (where I-75 parts ways with US 41 and decides to mostly hang out with US 23 for a while instead) suggests that someone originally wanted to go more south than southeast and then changed their mind, although the maps suggest that Macon was on the route continuously from 1939 forward.

[xcellntbuy]

Just returned from my second trip to Georgia where I will begin my new job after Labor Day.  I had the inclination to enjoy many quiet state highways in middle Georgia from Macon to Milledgeville, the antebellum capital, up to the eastern, northern and southern suburbs of Atlanta.  It was quite a ride.  I had not traveled to Atlanta since June 2002.  Lots of very wide freeways, dense urban landscapes, big buildings, massive Interstate 75 traffic back-ups on a Saturday afternoon, all the way to quiet rural drives in the Oconee National Forest and of course, a good sampling of metro Atlanta's massive suburban sprawl that contains nearly half of the entire State's population.

It looks like I am going to have plenty of new places to explore after I move my two sports cars for the final ten years of working before I completely retire.

[Gnutella]

So I've heard that Georgia is suffering from the depletion of the federal highway trust fund, and aside from the interchange on GA 316 and the interchange on the Athens Perimeter, I can't think of any other major projects going on in Georgia right now. Does anybody have an idea how many (if any) other projects are going on in Georgia right now? Construction does seem kind of slow this year, now that I think about it.

[Tom958]

It looks like I am going to have plenty of new places to explore after I move my two sports cars for the final ten years of working before I completely retire.

Welcome to our fair (to middling) city and state. You'll know you've been in Atlanta too long when eight lane freeways start to look dinky. 

Yeah, I don't know what the solution to the off-peak issues is exactly, although usually the underlying problem is a wreck or aggressive drug interdiction/revenue enhancement causing everyone to rubberneck or decide to slow down to 65 or less (the tourists don't realize that they can't even get ticketed in Georgia except by GSP unless they're more than 10 over, and GSP doesn't bother usually either).

I dunno about that, either. In my limited experience, I don't see any obvious reason for the backups, and if a backup occurs due to an incident, flow tends to recover downstream, which is not what I've observed. I think it's more what the WSB Skycopter calls "volume slowing."

Extending the managed lanes to Forsyth wouldn't be that expensive, really, once they get past 155 (very wide overpass already at GA 16), but if you do that you're going to need bidirectional local access too which may just push things back in the crapper. I don't think a fourth lane alone will fix much in the rural part of the corridor; maybe express-local would, and with Peach Pass interoperability allegedly coming by the end of 2014 there might be a market for a rural express-local setup if they could do it cheaply. If they can ever get people to stop whining about tolls in Georgia that is.

Well, if the decision is made to add capacity, it would be cheaper and more straightforward to forego the whole express/local thing. OTOH, that would leave the facility vulnerable to peak hour congestion, which segregated toll lanes could bypass.

Keep in mind, too, that the Feds have to be down with whatever GDOT decides to do, and there are competing priorities in regard to national policy. Atlanta isn't out of the woods on air quality conformity, and there's freight movement to consider, too. It's not an easy question.

To me, the most sensible solution would be to extend the managed lanes, eventually in both directions, to the Henry-Butts county line, then eight lane to Forsyth and eventually to I-475.

Long-term you might have to revive the original idea for I-75 as a parallel route; the legend around these parts that I've seen once or twice is that I-75 was originally supposed to follow the 41/341 corridor to Perry and bypass Macon, although I can't see any evidence for this in froggie's scans of the Yellow Book or its predecessors except maybe the 1938 toll road plan (which is so vague, it's a straight line). Certainly the kink in I-75 south of Atlanta (where I-75 parts ways with US 41 and decides to mostly hang out with US 23 for a while instead) suggests that someone originally wanted to go more south than southeast and then changed their mind, although the maps suggest that Macon was on the route continuously from 1939 forward.

It's not hard to understand why things played out the way they did. The old routes for US 41 both north and south of Atlanta had issues beyond capacity and weren't amenable to widening, which is presumably why they were replaced with four lane new terrain highways in the early '50's. My lost, lamented copy of the 1962 Rand McNally showed the highway from Griffin to Atlanta as freeway green with no interchanges and an I-75 shield, with the proposed I-75 route hugging US 41 to the then-already-completed I-75 at Forsyth (where was the temporary southern end of that, anyway?).  It may have been intended to convert 41 to a freeway, but at some point it was realized that building the current I-75 would be not only better, but likely cheaper as well.

[formulanone]

Just returned from my second trip to Georgia where I will begin my new job after Labor Day.

Most of the roads you'll enjoy in your Corvette will be around the northern quarter of the state. 

[lordsutch]

So I've heard that Georgia is suffering from the depletion of the federal highway trust fund, and aside from the interchange on GA 316 and the interchange on the Athens Perimeter, I can't think of any other major projects going on in Georgia right now. Does anybody have an idea how many (if any) other projects are going on in Georgia right now? Construction does seem kind of slow this year, now that I think about it.

Not a lot of huge projects are going on now, although there is the final-for-now section of the Fall Line Freeway from US 441 to Sandersville and the GA 96 four-laning in Houston and Peach counties (partially on new location, with an interchange at US 129) in my general neck of the woods. The Sardis Church extension in south Bibb County (four lane on new location between I-75 and US 129, including interchanges at US 41 and US 129) should be kicking off soon since it's in the STIP for FY15. Closer to Atlanta, the I-75 managed lanes project from GA 138 to GA 155 is supposed to start work soon as well.

Construction is likely slow because of the failed T-SPLOSTs in addition to the tight highway money; big projects that would have started if the T-SPLOSTs had passed (like the I-16/I-75 interchange in Macon) got pushed back in favor of relative small-ball work like roundabouts and signal projects, after already being pushed back to make the T-SPLOSTs more attractive to voters. In the areas where T-SPLOSTs passed, though, some decent-sized projects are already well underway (the US 23 north Eastman bypass, for example).

[xcellntbuy]

Just returned from my second trip to Georgia where I will begin my new job after Labor Day.

Most of the roads you'll enjoy in your Corvette will be around the northern quarter of the state. 

I certainly hope so.  I will be moving to the antebellum capital of Milledgeville, a stark change from Coral Springs, FL where I have lived nearly 17 years.  My Corvette is currently being serviced after sitting since February 2009.  When the Corvette is finished, my 30-year old Firebird will also be serviced.  It has sat for a decade.

[Eth]

Long-term you might have to revive the original idea for I-75 as a parallel route; the legend around these parts that I've seen once or twice is that I-75 was originally supposed to follow the 41/341 corridor to Perry and bypass Macon, although I can't see any evidence for this in froggie's scans of the Yellow Book or its predecessors except maybe the 1938 toll road plan (which is so vague, it's a straight line). Certainly the kink in I-75 south of Atlanta (where I-75 parts ways with US 41 and decides to mostly hang out with US 23 for a while instead) suggests that someone originally wanted to go more south than southeast and then changed their mind, although the maps suggest that Macon was on the route continuously from 1939 forward.

It's not hard to understand why things played out the way they did. The old routes for US 41 both north and south of Atlanta had issues beyond capacity and weren't amenable to widening, which is presumably why they were replaced with four lane new terrain highways in the early '50's. My lost, lamented copy of the 1962 Rand McNally showed the highway from Griffin to Atlanta as freeway green with no interchanges and an I-75 shield, with the proposed I-75 route hugging US 41 to the then-already-completed I-75 at Forsyth (where was the temporary southern end of that, anyway?).  It may have been intended to convert 41 to a freeway, but at some point it was realized that building the current I-75 would be not only better, but likely cheaper as well.

Looking at the old GDOT maps, it looks something like this...

1961:


Notice the GA 401 shield on US 19/41 near Jonesboro. It certainly would seem at this time that they were planning to run I-75 right along there (maybe even upgrading in place - this new four-lane alignment was only a few years old). The segment of I-75 around Forsyth had its north end at US 23, but with no shown proposed extension from there, so it's hard to say. The southern end appears to be at what was then the GA 18/GA 148 intersection. I-75 would ultimately pretty much take over the routing of GA 148 down to Bolingbroke, just past the I-475 split.

1963:


A little murkier here - that GA 401 shield on US 19/41 has now been changed to GA 333. Is this an indication that somewhere in these two years the decision was made to put I-75 on the more eastern route? Still no proposed route shown north of Forsyth.

1966:


Looks to all be resolved by this point.

[adventurernumber1]

So I've heard that Georgia is suffering from the depletion of the federal highway trust fund, and aside from the interchange on GA 316 and the interchange on the Athens Perimeter, I can't think of any other major projects going on in Georgia right now. Does anybody have an idea how many (if any) other projects are going on in Georgia right now? Construction does seem kind of slow this year, now that I think about it.

Not a lot of huge projects are going on now, although there is the final-for-now section of the Fall Line Freeway from US 441 to Sandersville and the GA 96 four-laning in Houston and Peach counties (partially on new location, with an interchange at US 129) in my general neck of the woods. The Sardis Church extension in south Bibb County (four lane on new location between I-75 and US 129, including interchanges at US 41 and US 129) should be kicking off soon since it's in the STIP for FY15. Closer to Atlanta, the I-75 managed lanes project from GA 138 to GA 155 is supposed to start work soon as well.

Construction is likely slow because of the failed T-SPLOSTs in addition to the tight highway money; big projects that would have started if the T-SPLOSTs had passed (like the I-16/I-75 interchange in Macon) got pushed back in favor of relative small-ball work like roundabouts and signal projects, after already being pushed back to make the T-SPLOSTs more attractive to voters. In the areas where T-SPLOSTs passed, though, some decent-sized projects are already well underway (the US 23 north Eastman bypass, for example).

One project going on near Dalton, GA, where I live, is that they're making a new exit on I-75 near Calhoun; Union Grove Church Rd., a current overpass south of Calhoun.

[lordsutch]

Looks to all be resolved by this point.

And it looks like Griffin and Barnesville got the new US 41 alignment as a consolation prize (which might partially explain why the Griffin bypass was built to freeway standards and the Barnesville bypass has GDOT's freeway restrictions posted on the on-ramp at the half-interchange at Zebulon Street - they worked from the plans for I-75 in that area). Nice find.

[adventurernumber1]

Also on Exit 336 on I-75 in Dalton, GA I believe they're changing the partial cloverleaf interchange into I THINK a diamond interchange. Idk the reason but I believe it was because there were a lot of accidents.

[Tom958]

Three days later. Gawd, I suck! Still haven't posted that 319 feature, either. 

Looking at the old GDOT maps, it looks something like this...

1961:


Notice the GA 401 shield on US 19/41 near Jonesboro. It certainly would seem at this time that they were planning to run I-75 right along there (maybe even upgrading in place - this new four-lane alignment was only a few years old). The segment of I-75 around Forsyth had its north end at US 23, but with no shown proposed extension from there, so it's hard to say. The southern end appears to be at what was then the GA 18/GA 148 intersection. I-75 would ultimately pretty much take over the routing of GA 148 down to Bolingbroke, just past the I-475 split.

1963:

A little murkier here - that GA 401 shield on US 19/41 has now been changed to GA 333. Is this an indication that somewhere in these two years the decision was made to put I-75 on the more eastern route? Still no proposed route shown north of Forsyth.

The 401 number doesn't surprise me, but the 333 sure does. As you surely know, 333 was also the number of the relocated US 19 from Albany to the Florida line. Was a relocation of the rest of US 19 once a gleam in GDOT's eye?

The GA 148 thing amazes me as well. About ten years ago I had occasion to use Old Forsyth Road, and I was agog to discover that, despite having no route number, it was of notably high quality even for a state highway, and even paved in concrete! Google Maps marks it as GA 148, BTW.

Further west, I don't see any indication on the ground or on Google satellite that there was ever access from abutting properties to what is now I-75. Maybe GA 148 was completed only a few years before the Interstate system was initiated, and the ROW of GA 148 was claimed for I-75 before anybody could build a driveway to it. I'm wondering, too, if perhaps one of the roadways of I-75 is actually GA 148-- there's a lot of difference in the profiles of the two roadways there.

1966:


Looks to all be resolved by this point.

I'm a bit slow on the uptake, but perhaps the Atlanta International Raceway, which opened in 1960, had something to do with the decision to reroute I-75.

I also find it interesting (I knew about this, BTW) that the rerouted section of I-75 between Forsyth and Forest Park was built in two phases rather than all at once. Traffic patterns in the corridor must have been pretty interesting for those few years.

[Eth]

GA 148 first appears on the 1955 map. The road isn't on the 1954 map at all, even as a non-state-highway. The number didn't last very long - if you look closely at that 1966 map above, you'll see that what's left is no longer marked as 148, but rather as 19 Spur, having been extended down Pate Road to meet US 41/GA 19. That number last appears on the 1977-78 map; the 1979 edition shows it as no longer being numbered. So Google is in fact almost 50 years out of date on that one.

As for that segment of 333...

Through 1969, it is shown as extending as far south as the end of the Barnesville bypass. The Griffin bypass is still under construction in '69, but the part south of there is done, though designated as only GA 333, without US 41 having been moved onto it (although past the US 41/341 split, both US 341 and GA 7 are on the bypass along with 333).

The Griffin bypass is completed in 1970, and both US 19 and US 41 are moved onto it. At this same time, US 41/GA 7 between Griffin and Barnesville are also moved onto the new alignment and 333 is truncated to the south end of the Griffin bypass. This part of GA 333 disappears completely on the 1971 map, having been replaced in its entirety by an extended GA 7. (GA 3 remains on the old road through Hampton, Lovejoy, and Jonesboro until 1988, at which point GA 7 is truncated back to its old northern terminus at Griffin.)

The southern GA 333 (from Albany southward) sticks around until 1983, when both it and GA 257 south of I-75 are renumbered as GA 300. There doesn't appear to be any evidence of a plan to link the two, with GDOT seemingly content to leave US 19 mostly as a two-lane road from Griffin all the way to Albany until the 2000s (and, presumably, the GRIP program).

[afone]

Another project that will begin in 2015, will be the new exit 14 on Interstate 985. It should be completed by 2017.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/6/article/103176/

[Tom958]

GA 148 first appears on the 1955 map. The road isn't on the 1954 map at all, even as a non-state-highway.

That's what struck me about it ten years ago. I think it was built as a new-terrain highway. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I suspect that it was intended as a relocation of US 41! 

As for that segment of 333... There doesn't appear to be any evidence of a plan to link the two, with GDOT seemingly content to leave US 19 mostly as a two-lane road from Griffin all the way to Albany until the 2000s (and, presumably, the GRIP program).

No evidence except the number. My eye draws a line from the southwest corner of the Barnesville bypass to US 19 a bit north of the junction with US 80, either blowing right past Thomaston or passing within jog-over distance. I guess that's just me, though.

Also on Exit 336 on I-75 in Dalton, GA I believe they're changing the partial cloverleaf interchange into I THINK a diamond interchange. Idk the reason but I believe it was because there were a lot of accidents.

That should be interesting! A diamond will surely require new bridges over the railroad-- that's why they did a folded diamond there in the first place. Hopefully it'll be advanced enough for me to see what's going on by the next time I'm up that way.

Slightly related to that, I noticed when I was doing ATL-Nashville every week in 2012, there's a lot of variation in how the merge lanes on I-75 around there are configured, and quite a few are just flat out too short. I wish they'd addressed that when 75 was widened in the '80's. 

[SSF]

Tom-the Dalton exit work isn't far enough along to really see too much.  plus, the jersey barrier and the lane shift is towards the inner median, you can't really see much at all.  i hated that exit so i am curious to see what the new one will end up like.

[roadman65]

I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA.  I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs.  So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.

Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?

[ATLRedSoxFan]

I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA.  I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs.  So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.

Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?

I remember them from when I used to drive down to see my parents in Thomasvillle. It seemed like they used to be there, and then all but disappeared. I wonder if they were redone with higher mast lights when lanes were added. I think there might have been a couple of interchanges added. It's been almost 8 years since I've driven through that area. But, I do remember them.

[OracleUsr]

I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA.  I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs.  So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.

Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?

At least when they were on the sides of the interstate, they were active at night, or so I thought.  Was travelling down to Tampa for New Years 1991 and woke up in the middle of nowhere on I-75 to street lamps then total darkness.

[lordsutch]

I have been meaning to ask someone about the street lamps on I-75 that lie somewhere between Adele, GA and Valdosta, GA.  I noticed that they are in a rural area without interchanges and all along where they stand, there are FOG warning signs.  So naturally they are both related and considering I-75 has had its share of multi car pile ups over history due to weather issues in three states it transits. Yet I once rode through there once at night on way back from New Jersey, and they were not at all lit.

Are these lights (if GADOT kept them after the widening a short while back) only operative during extreme fog conditions, or was a breaker blown perhaps when I traveled through there at the time?

The lights are installed again on the median jersey wall, but I've never seen them lit, even at night. But there are not any fog warning signs in place (at least after the widening), although there are a couple of VMSes in place along this section of I-75 that can be used to warn of fog.

See this article for more details: http://gtri.gatech.edu/casestudy/happy-motoring-safer-interstate-highway