Time zones

[hbelkins]

If a cat's involved, logic cannot be involved.

Any cat caretaker knows this.

[kalvado]

If a cat's involved, logic cannot be involved.

Any cat caretaker knows this.

One more thing about cats - they don't care if DST just switched!

[kkt]

Newsflash:  Boolean logic and English grammar are different.

[webny99]

First of all, my wife would be horrified if I told her there's now a 7+ post strand about her sleep habits.

Fortunately, the discussion has been entirely about the language itself, not the subject matter!

It just surprised me that, if a cat started licking someone's face, she would continue sleeping until the alarm sounded.

But I don't think that's the case:

"and" is appropriate because both conditions need to be met.

... and maybe you already figured that out, given your previous post.

[kphoger]

I was still confused until I started typing this reply.  I get it now.

If (she doesn't set an alarm and a cat doesn't start licking her face) then (she'll sleep 10+ hours).

[kphoger]

... although that still leaves the following questions unanswered:

1.  If both conditions are not met (if an alarm is set and a cat starts licking her face), then it is unknown if she'll sleep 10+ hours or not.

2.  If only one condition is met (if only the alarm or the cat, but not both, are in play), then it is unknown if she'll sleep 10+ hours or not.

[J N Winkler]

This conversation is about XOR.

[CoreySamson]

The earlier sunrise means going from waking up in the dark to waking up while it's light. The earlier sunset means going from staying awake after it gets dark to... staying awake after it gets dark.

Well put.

I think this is the most sane opinion I've heard anyone have on DST. I personally think that Standard Time is easier on the average person's circadian rhythm than DST is.

[webny99]

... although that still leaves the following questions unanswered:

1.  If both conditions are not met (if an alarm is set and a cat starts licking her face), then it is unknown if she'll sleep 10+ hours or not.

2.  If only one condition is met (if only the alarm or the cat, but not both, are in play), then it is unknown if she'll sleep 10+ hours or not.

OK, now this is going too far     

I think we can infer the answer: 10+ hours of sleep occurs only if there's no alarm and no cat licking.

[webny99]

The earlier sunrise means going from waking up in the dark to waking up while it's light. The earlier sunset means going from staying awake after it gets dark to... staying awake after it gets dark.

Well put.

I think this is the most sane opinion I've heard anyone have on DST. I personally think that Standard Time is easier on the average person's circadian rhythm than DST is.

Thanks! I agree with that, but it is also nice to have longer evenings in the summer, hence why I'm OK with DST existing, but I think it should be for less of the year. Honestly, I'd be OK with returning to how it was prior to the 2007 extension.

[Bruce]

Considering most people do their errands, visit people, or are generally recreating AFTER work, it makes more sense to preserve as much daylight as we can for those hours. Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway, but the 4 pm sunsets are brutal. That extra hour makes all the difference for mental health.

[Scott5114]

[kalvado]

Considering most people do their errands, visit people, or are generally recreating AFTER work, it makes more sense to preserve as much daylight as we can for those hours. Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway, but the 4 pm sunsets are brutal. That extra hour makes all the difference for mental health.

Too bad they are not using artificial lighting in your area. Over here, stores are well illuminated during shopping hours, even when the sun is down.

[Bruce]

Considering most people do their errands, visit people, or are generally recreating AFTER work, it makes more sense to preserve as much daylight as we can for those hours. Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway, but the 4 pm sunsets are brutal. That extra hour makes all the difference for mental health.

Too bad they are not using artificial lighting in your area. Over here, stores are well illuminated during shopping hours, even when the sun is down.

Getting to and from those places can be pretty difficult when it's dark. Illumination reflecting off wet pavement makes for some awful visibility.

And don't get me started on bicycling in the dark.

[webny99]

Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway ...

That's not really the case in most of the country unless you wake up very early. 6:30 to 7:30 is almost always light out except for the past few weeks and a few weeks in late December/early January.

[NWI_Irish96]

Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway ...

That's not really the case in most of the country unless you wake up very early. 6:30 to 7:30 is almost always light out except for the past few weeks and a few weeks in late December/early January.

Unless you're already one time zone east of your natural time zone and then also on DST. In South Bend, sunrise goes later than 7:30 on September 21 and stays later until the first week after the switch back to Standard time, then doesn't go back after 7:30 again until February 22.

[US 89]

Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway ...

That's not really the case in most of the country unless you wake up very early. 6:30 to 7:30 is almost always light out except for the past few weeks and a few weeks in late December/early January.

https://twitter.com/Climatologist49/status/1204523852794974209/photo/1

[webny99]

Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway ...

That's not really the case in most of the country unless you wake up very early. 6:30 to 7:30 is almost always light out except for the past few weeks and a few weeks in late December/early January.

[tweet]

Yes, the vast majority of the country is in a red, orange, or yellow zone (I'm in yellow). My statement would apply to all three.

[Rothman]

What if we just did UTC?

[kalvado]

Considering most people do their errands, visit people, or are generally recreating AFTER work, it makes more sense to preserve as much daylight as we can for those hours. Waking up dark is something we're used to in winter anyway, but the 4 pm sunsets are brutal. That extra hour makes all the difference for mental health.

Too bad they are not using artificial lighting in your area. Over here, stores are well illuminated during shopping hours, even when the sun is down.

Getting to and from those places can be pretty difficult when it's dark. Illumination reflecting off wet pavement makes for some awful visibility.

And don't get me started on bicycling in the dark.

I see your concerns and raise you to biking in the snow with wind-chill of 0F

[kirbykart]

What if we just did UTC?

BINGO!!!

[kalvado]

What if we just did UTC?

BINGO!!!

But I wasn't even born in 1974!

[JoePCool14]

Since we're going there...

I'm looking forward to having it be a bit brighter out in the morning when I go to work. It was still dark out leaving my house around 7:10 this morning.

Maybe the real problem is having to work 8 hours when there's only about 10 hours of daylight, which is something that isn't going to change for most people.

[kirbykart]

What if we just did UTC?

BINGO!!!

But I wasn't even born in 1974!

Do you not understand how Bingo works? There's a row and Rothman's comment marked off the final square of that row; hence, a BINGO!

[webny99]

I think the "1974" comment was just checking off another box, not responding to the BINGO.