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Started by Poiponen13, February 11, 2023, 02:06:46 PM

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kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:36:00 PM
Longer midnight sun and polar night, as well as civil polar night, what Holman doesn't experience.

If midnight sun and polar night aren't already attracting people to move to Holman (or Arctic Bay or Pond Inlet or Resolute or Grise Fiord, all of which are farther north than Souky would be), then why would longer ones attract people to move to Souky?
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.


Poiponen13

Quote from: kphoger on June 20, 2023, 12:43:02 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:36:00 PM
Longer midnight sun and polar night, as well as civil polar night, what Holman doesn't experience.

If midnight sun and polar night aren't already attracting people to move to Holman (or Arctic Bay or Pond Inlet or Resolute or Grise Fiord, all of which are farther north than Souky would be), then why would longer ones attract people to move to Souky?
I just had a thought of of city with 300,000 people at 72.40N. At least it would see 92-day midnight sun, 76-day polar night and 10-day civil polar night.

kalvado

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 20, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: kphoger on June 20, 2023, 12:27:58 PM

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:00:35 PM
I didn't know about this town. Souky would be new city form scratch, which would be very fast-expanding.

Why would a new city from scratch expand faster than an already-existing town?  What would draw people to Souky that isn't already drawing them to Holman?

Because Souky is more attractive.

What about it would be more attractive?
Longer midnight sun and polar night, as well as civil polar night, what Holman doesn't experience.
Oh, so you suggest treating polar night as regular night time, so residents would be hibernating for 3-4-5 months a year? 

Poiponen13

Quote from: kalvado on June 20, 2023, 01:24:03 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:36:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 20, 2023, 12:32:53 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: kphoger on June 20, 2023, 12:27:58 PM

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:00:35 PM
I didn't know about this town. Souky would be new city form scratch, which would be very fast-expanding.

Why would a new city from scratch expand faster than an already-existing town?  What would draw people to Souky that isn't already drawing them to Holman?

Because Souky is more attractive.

What about it would be more attractive?
Longer midnight sun and polar night, as well as civil polar night, what Holman doesn't experience.
Oh, so you suggest treating polar night as regular night time, so residents would be hibernating for 3-4-5 months a year?
Then sun does not rise and brightest stars can be seen during midday. Life would go normal.

Rothman

Quote from: CoreySamson on June 20, 2023, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: 1 on June 20, 2023, 10:08:00 AM
You could be asking the same about Phoenix...
Phoenix at least has a climate that retirees tend to like and semi-interesting scenery. Nobody wants to live in a cold, barren, flat wasteland with no natural resources.
Retirees like places where you have to saran wrap toilets to keep the water from evaporating?
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 01:37:10 PM
Then sun does not rise ...

Most people don't want that, if given the choice.

Quote from: Rothman on June 20, 2023, 01:39:57 PM
Retirees like places where you have to saran wrap toilets to keep the water from evaporating?

Yes, many retirees like warm, dry weather.  Or, rather, they dislike cold, humid weather.  Some are even encouraged by their doctors.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

hotdogPi

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: kphoger on June 20, 2023, 12:27:58 PM

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 12:00:35 PM
I didn't know about this town. Souky would be new city form scratch, which would be very fast-expanding.

Why would a new city from scratch expand faster than an already-existing town?  What would draw people to Souky that isn't already drawing them to Holman?

Because Souky is more attractive.

Wait, Souky is attractive? Is she attractive the same way John Madden and Booger Queen are?
Clinched

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Max Rockatansky

Come, nothing is more attractive than Sault Sainte John Madden.

Scott5114

Quote from: kphoger on June 20, 2023, 02:03:39 PM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 20, 2023, 01:37:10 PM
Then sun does not rise ...

Most people don't want that, if given the choice.

I mean, I wouldn't mind it, since I'm nocturnal anyway. But then again there are already-existing cities with warmer climates that cater to a nocturnal lifestyle, like New York City and Las Vegas.

Quote from: Rothman on June 20, 2023, 01:39:57 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 20, 2023, 11:17:57 AM
Quote from: 1 on June 20, 2023, 10:08:00 AM
You could be asking the same about Phoenix...
Phoenix at least has a climate that retirees tend to like and semi-interesting scenery. Nobody wants to live in a cold, barren, flat wasteland with no natural resources.
Retirees like places where you have to saran wrap toilets to keep the water from evaporating?

Is that what they told you when you had your toilet saran wrapped? And lemme guess, the people that egged and TP'd your house said they tripped and fell on the way back from the grocery store?
uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

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Scott5114

uncontrollable freak sardine salad chef

Poiponen13

Or Sachs Harbour, Holman, Resolute, Arctic Bay, Grise Fiord,  Eureka and Alert should just expand greatly with havung over 50,000 people without having a new city.

hotdogPi

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 24, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
Or Sachs Harbour, Holman, Resolute, Arctic Bay, Grise Fiord,  Alanland and Alert should just expand greatly with havung over 50,000 people without having a new city.

FTFY
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13, 44, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 107, 109, 126, 141, 159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25

Max Rockatansky

Sounds like we are on the verge having to call Eureka PD...

Poiponen13

Quote from: 1 on June 24, 2023, 09:36:48 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 24, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
Or Sachs Harbour, Holman, Resolute, Arctic Bay, Grise Fiord,  Alanland and Alert should just expand greatly with havung over 50,000 people without having a new city.

FTFY
Eureka, NU, not Eureka, CA ("Alanland").

kphoger

Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Poiponen13

Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 24, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
... should just expand greatly ...

Explain why.
An alternative to Souky proposal. I want larger cities to Arctic.

kalvado


Poiponen13

Quote from: kalvado on June 26, 2023, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 24, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
... should just expand greatly ...

Explain why.
An alternative to Souky proposal. I want larger cities to Arctic.
well, but can you
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Explain why.
Because I would like to see a large city in extreme conditions - midnight sun, polar night, very cold winter, cool summer, very hot summer, very rainy, very dry.

kalvado

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: kalvado on June 26, 2023, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 24, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
... should just expand greatly ...

Explain why.
An alternative to Souky proposal. I want larger cities to Arctic.
well, but can you
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Explain why.
Because I would like to see a large city in extreme conditions - midnight sun, polar night, very cold winter, cool summer, very hot summer, very rainy, very dry.
hm, sounds like you want concentration camps for experiments on humans....

hotdogPi

Idea for a new city: I-93 near (new) exit 42 in Massachusetts would be called "Naranja" (taking a small part of Andover), with the J pronounced as it is in English. It would have a permanent population of about 2000, with its main claim to fame being a La Quinta hotel, two restaurants (Chili's and The Chateau), a Mobil with a Dunkin inside, and some office buildings. It would be a control city on I-93.
Clinched

Traveled, plus
US 13, 44, 50
MA 22, 35, 40, 107, 109, 126, 141, 159
NH 27, 111A(E); CA 133; NY 366; GA 42, 140; FL A1A, 7; CT 32; VT 2A, 5A; PA 3, 51, 60, QC 162, 165, 263; 🇬🇧A100, A3211, A3213, A3215, A4222; 🇫🇷95 D316

Lowest untraveled: 25

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: kalvado on June 26, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: kalvado on June 26, 2023, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 24, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
... should just expand greatly ...

Explain why.
An alternative to Souky proposal. I want larger cities to Arctic.
well, but can you
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Explain why.
Because I would like to see a large city in extreme conditions - midnight sun, polar night, very cold winter, cool summer, very hot summer, very rainy, very dry.
hm, sounds like you want concentration camps for experiments on humans....

Of course not, these are pioneers expanding the frontier and definitely not some Arctic Island Gulag. 

kalvado

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2023, 10:16:22 AM
Quote from: kalvado on June 26, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 09:46:06 AM
Quote from: kalvado on June 26, 2023, 09:40:58 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 09:31:57 AM
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 24, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
... should just expand greatly ...

Explain why.
An alternative to Souky proposal. I want larger cities to Arctic.
well, but can you
Quote from: kphoger on June 26, 2023, 09:30:13 AM
Explain why.
Because I would like to see a large city in extreme conditions - midnight sun, polar night, very cold winter, cool summer, very hot summer, very rainy, very dry.
hm, sounds like you want concentration camps for experiments on humans....

Of course not, these are pioneers expanding the frontier and definitely not some Arctic Island Gulag.
Make Thule great again!
Climate was milder back then, as far as I understand.

Poiponen13

Quote from: 1 on June 26, 2023, 09:57:46 AM
Idea for a new city: I-93 near (new) exit 42 in Massachusetts would be called "Naranja" (taking a small part of Andover), with the J pronounced as it is in English. It would have a permanent population of about 2000, with its main claim to fame being a La Quinta hotel, two restaurants (Chili's and The Chateau), a Mobil with a Dunkin inside, and some office buildings. It would be a control city on I-93.
This city would be in too normal climate.

kphoger

Quote from: Poiponen13 on June 26, 2023, 11:06:55 AM
This city would be in too normal climate.

Says who?  This isn't your own private thread.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.



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