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Road diets / closures you're pretty okay with

Started by noelbotevera, July 11, 2024, 12:09:37 PM

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Road Hog

Quote from: webny99 on July 26, 2024, 09:07:23 AM
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Quote from: mgk920 on July 11, 2024, 11:06:36 PMYes, I consider undivided four lane roads to be obsolete.

Especially from a safety standpoint, i.e. head-on collision risk.

On roads that have a freeway/expressway parallel, I'd agree.  Otherwise, capacity drops considerably when you consider that there is no longer any legal way to get around slow moving vehicles.

I wouldn't go so far as to say undivided four-lane roads are obsolete. In most cases, if four lanes are warranted, then a TWLTL is also warranted. But four lanes undivided does have limited utility in some cases, such as this stretch of NY 404, or this stretch of RR 57/Thorold Stone Rd in Ontario. In essence, it's probably warranted if all three of the following apply:

  • Volumes are too much for two lanes to handle
  • Side streets/businesses/driveways exist but are intermittent and not too closely spaced, so it's not worth creating a TWLTL
  • Traffic is localized enough that a divided highway requiring U-turn movements is unnecessary/impractical


(That being said... one time I was on a four-lane road in heavy traffic I had a driver zoom up besides me  into the oncoming left lane to make a left turn, passing other left turners in the process and barely squeaking through the intersection before oncoming traffic arrived. He got a lengthy honk from me, one of the rare honking instances of "major safety hazard and major personal irritation". It did occur to me that this never would have happened on a three-lane road, or if it did, he would have at least been in the TWLTL instead of the oncoming lane.)

People in 49 states have a disparaging term for a highway with 5 lanes.


jeffandnicole

Quote from: Road Hog on August 03, 2024, 07:47:18 PM
Quote from: webny99 on July 26, 2024, 09:07:23 AM
Quote from: MikieTimT on July 25, 2024, 03:16:06 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on July 13, 2024, 05:27:25 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on July 11, 2024, 11:06:36 PMYes, I consider undivided four lane roads to be obsolete.

Especially from a safety standpoint, i.e. head-on collision risk.

On roads that have a freeway/expressway parallel, I'd agree.  Otherwise, capacity drops considerably when you consider that there is no longer any legal way to get around slow moving vehicles.

I wouldn't go so far as to say undivided four-lane roads are obsolete. In most cases, if four lanes are warranted, then a TWLTL is also warranted. But four lanes undivided does have limited utility in some cases, such as this stretch of NY 404, or this stretch of RR 57/Thorold Stone Rd in Ontario. In essence, it's probably warranted if all three of the following apply:

  • Volumes are too much for two lanes to handle
  • Side streets/businesses/driveways exist but are intermittent and not too closely spaced, so it's not worth creating a TWLTL
  • Traffic is localized enough that a divided highway requiring U-turn movements is unnecessary/impractical


(That being said... one time I was on a four-lane road in heavy traffic I had a driver zoom up besides me  into the oncoming left lane to make a left turn, passing other left turners in the process and barely squeaking through the intersection before oncoming traffic arrived. He got a lengthy honk from me, one of the rare honking instances of "major safety hazard and major personal irritation". It did occur to me that this never would have happened on a three-lane road, or if it did, he would have at least been in the TWLTL instead of the oncoming lane.)

People in 49 states have a disparaging term for a highway with 5 lanes.

Which is a misused term in these instances.  A TWLTL is not the same thing as an actual passing lane that can be used in either direction.