News:

Finished coding the back end of the AARoads main site using object-orientated programming. One major step closer to moving away from Wordpress!

Main Menu

"Bypasses" around Nothing Special

Started by Dirt Roads, July 18, 2024, 05:19:03 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

pderocco

Was the original purpose of 78 to provide a bypass for thru traffic on US-1, meaning it was once planned to continue southwest and rejoin US-1? Or was its purpose exactly what exists now, providing a bypass for thru traffic between I-95 and RI US-1? The latter seems more likely to me.


Rothman

Quote from: pderocco on August 10, 2025, 06:01:50 PMWas the original purpose of 78 to provide a bypass for thru traffic on US-1, meaning it was once planned to continue southwest and rejoin US-1? Or was its purpose exactly what exists now, providing a bypass for thru traffic between I-95 and RI US-1? The latter seems more likely to me.

The latter.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

seicer

Quote from: TheStranger on July 19, 2024, 03:33:26 PMI-215 and Old 215 (originally old US 395/TEMP I-15E) near Alessandro Boulevard in Moreno Valley.

The 215 realignment to the west (opened ca. 1994) seems to have been created for a railroad track in the area...that is no longer in use and has been removed, in favor of warehouses built since the newer freeway opened.  Historicaerials shows the area around the old alignment being semi-rural in the 1980s.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9210153,-117.2862229,2752m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu

It appears that the portion of US 395 (that portion which later became I-215) from SR 60 to Cactus Avenue paralleled tracks and had numerous at-grade intersections that would have proven difficult to upgrade without relocating the tracks or providing some off-set interchanges, similar to what's being done along US 33 in Ohio: https://maps.app.goo.gl/NcA3qX6rWyJWkA6R9 

Those tracks are still active, it seems.

sprjus4

Quote from: jlam on May 04, 2025, 11:40:32 PMI nominate the two-year-old Mentone Bypass, a four-lane bypass of the town of 22. The bypass directs trucks around the town to the oil fields in the north.



Kinda looks like the beginnings of a Cities: Skylines world.
My favorite part of this "bypass" is the fact it is 4 lanes. Must get quite the traffic counts.

Beltway

#54
I would call that a relocation, not a bypass.

An example is the 6.8 mile US-460 Poole Siding Relocation in Dinwiddie County, VA. No towns are bypassed.

As part of the program to upgrade US-460 to a 4-lane divided highway, this was built because the original highway crossed the parallel Norfolk and Western Railroad twice with bridges, and the relocated highway stayed south of the railroad without crossing it.  These were very old narrow 2-lane underpasses and rest of the segment was 2 lanes and with substandard alignment.
http://www.roadstothefuture.com
http://www.capital-beltway.com

Baloney is a reserved word on the Internet
    (Robert Coté, 2002)

michravera

Quote from: 1995hoo on July 18, 2024, 08:19:43 PMUS-70 Bypass near Selma, North Carolina, comes to mind because it's not a bypass of the designated business route and rather serves as a bypass of an interchange.

I-5 and CASR-14 in Southern California as well as I-580 in Northern California have Truck Bypasses in order to avoid trucks ending up on the left side of the freeway where they aren't allowed to be.

pderocco

Quote from: michravera on August 15, 2025, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 18, 2024, 08:19:43 PMUS-70 Bypass near Selma, North Carolina, comes to mind because it's not a bypass of the designated business route and rather serves as a bypass of an interchange.

I-5 and CASR-14 in Southern California as well as I-580 in Northern California have Truck Bypasses in order to avoid trucks ending up on the left side of the freeway where they aren't allowed to be.

That's a common thing, but they're not usually "bypasses", or even "truck routes", just truck lanes. (See the I-5/I-210 and I-5/I-405 interchanges just south, or the I-5/CA-99 interchange further north.) But the I-5/CA-14 interchange is more complicated, as the truck lanes and main lanes have different connections to surface roads. TravelMapping treats the I-5 truck lanes as a separate road, I guess due to its connection to Sierra Hwy, but even that doesn't describe all the details.

Further south, the I-5/I-805 interchange is two interleaved interchanges, where the main lanes to/from the south provide access to Carmel Valley Rd, while the signed "Local Bypass" lanes provide access to CA-56. To/from the north, neither have a direct connection to CA-56. Yet TravelMapping doesn't show a separate I-5 bypass.

kphoger

Quote from: Beltway on August 10, 2025, 10:36:24 PMI would call that a relocation, not a bypass.

I mean, that's your right.  But it's name includes "bypass", and it is signed as such.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/DeqUVEqYLADRrHg48
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pnJRz4sC3DkwwMUk8

Quote from: sprjus4 on August 10, 2025, 10:04:31 PMMy favorite part of this "bypass" is the fact it is 4 lanes. Must get quite the traffic counts.

Did you look at TX-302 northeast of town?  It's been upgraded to 2+1 lanes all the way to Kermit and beyond.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/rjwFQCJtsEvc6pVy5

And CH-300 itself is four lanes as well.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/RBb6JZcxZCmTgxvb6

The 2024 AADT count just northeast of Mentone was almost 10,000—more than twice the 2019 count.  Just from 2020 to 2021, there was a 50% increase in AADT at that station.

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

michravera

Quote from: pderocco on August 15, 2025, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: michravera on August 15, 2025, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 18, 2024, 08:19:43 PMUS-70 Bypass near Selma, North Carolina, comes to mind because it's not a bypass of the designated business route and rather serves as a bypass of an interchange.

I-5 and CASR-14 in Southern California as well as I-580 in Northern California have Truck Bypasses in order to avoid trucks ending up on the left side of the freeway where they aren't allowed to be.

That's a common thing, but they're not usually "bypasses", or even "truck routes", just truck lanes. (See the I-5/I-210 and I-5/I-405 interchanges just south, or the I-5/CA-99 interchange further north.) But the I-5/CA-14 interchange is more complicated, as the truck lanes and main lanes have different connections to surface roads. TravelMapping treats the I-5 truck lanes as a separate road, I guess due to its connection to Sierra Hwy, but even that doesn't describe all the details.

Further south, the I-5/I-805 interchange is two interleaved interchanges, where the main lanes to/from the south provide access to Carmel Valley Rd, while the signed "Local Bypass" lanes provide access to CA-56. To/from the north, neither have a direct connection to CA-56. Yet TravelMapping doesn't show a separate I-5 bypass.

I guess that the instruction "TRUCKS MUST USE BYPASS" doesn't make them a "bypass" bypass but a "'bypass that isn't really a bypass bypass'" bypass.

pderocco

Quote from: michravera on August 16, 2025, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: pderocco on August 15, 2025, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: michravera on August 15, 2025, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 18, 2024, 08:19:43 PMUS-70 Bypass near Selma, North Carolina, comes to mind because it's not a bypass of the designated business route and rather serves as a bypass of an interchange.

I-5 and CASR-14 in Southern California as well as I-580 in Northern California have Truck Bypasses in order to avoid trucks ending up on the left side of the freeway where they aren't allowed to be.

That's a common thing, but they're not usually "bypasses", or even "truck routes", just truck lanes. (See the I-5/I-210 and I-5/I-405 interchanges just south, or the I-5/CA-99 interchange further north.) But the I-5/CA-14 interchange is more complicated, as the truck lanes and main lanes have different connections to surface roads. TravelMapping treats the I-5 truck lanes as a separate road, I guess due to its connection to Sierra Hwy, but even that doesn't describe all the details.

Further south, the I-5/I-805 interchange is two interleaved interchanges, where the main lanes to/from the south provide access to Carmel Valley Rd, while the signed "Local Bypass" lanes provide access to CA-56. To/from the north, neither have a direct connection to CA-56. Yet TravelMapping doesn't show a separate I-5 bypass.

I guess that the instruction "TRUCKS MUST USE BYPASS" doesn't make them a "bypass" bypass but a "'bypass that isn't really a bypass bypass'" bypass.


I guess that makes it a good example for this thread, because it's not really bypassing anything special.

That said, I often drove those truck lanes during the day, because the main line of I-5 often suffered a traffic jam approaching the top, so I was bypassing that.

CoreySamson

My personal favorite (which I drove earlier this week) is probably the US 277 Dundee bypass in northern Texas.
Buc-ee's and QuikTrip fanboy. Clincher of 27 FM roads. Proponent of the TX U-turn. Budding theologian.

Route Log
Clinches
Counties
Travel Mapping

TheCatalyst31

In the 70s, WisDOT decided that WIS 13 needed to bypass Ogema. WIS 13 is still a rural two-lane highway in that area, and Ogema is unincorporated with a population of 188.

bassoon1986

Quote from: CoreySamson on August 16, 2025, 07:18:04 PMMy personal favorite (which I drove earlier this week) is probably the US 277 Dundee bypass in northern Texas.

Reminds me of Floyd TX a little further east on US 380 between McKinney and Greenville. Your bypass is much closer

kphoger

Quote from: CoreySamson on August 16, 2025, 07:18:04 PMMy personal favorite (which I drove earlier this week) is probably the US 277 Dundee bypass in northern Texas.

It's not really a bypass.  It's just the new alignment of the mainline highway, with the old roadway being designated the business route.

He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

sprjus4

Quote from: kphoger on August 16, 2025, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on August 16, 2025, 07:18:04 PMMy personal favorite (which I drove earlier this week) is probably the US 277 Dundee bypass in northern Texas.

It's not really a bypass.  It's just the new alignment of the mainline highway, with the old roadway being designated the business route.
OP:
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 18, 2024, 05:19:03 PMToday marks the opening of the Scott Miller Hill Bypass on US-33, a 4.3-mile realignment which is mostly in western Roane County, West Virginia.  This project was first planned about 40 years ago, and WVDOH has called this project a "bypass" for at least 30 years.  But the route bypasses no villages or other populated areas. 

pderocco

Quote from: sprjus4 on August 16, 2025, 10:04:38 PM
Quote from: kphoger on August 16, 2025, 09:36:23 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on August 16, 2025, 07:18:04 PMMy personal favorite (which I drove earlier this week) is probably the US 277 Dundee bypass in northern Texas.

It's not really a bypass.  It's just the new alignment of the mainline highway, with the old roadway being designated the business route.
OP:
Quote from: Dirt Roads on July 18, 2024, 05:19:03 PMToday marks the opening of the Scott Miller Hill Bypass on US-33, a 4.3-mile realignment which is mostly in western Roane County, West Virginia.  This project was first planned about 40 years ago, and WVDOH has called this project a "bypass" for at least 30 years.  But the route bypasses no villages or other populated areas. 
It took me about ten minutes to sleuth out what that original post referred to. A Google Maps link would have been nice. It's just another of the tens of thousands of road realignments that have happened over the years. I can see the planners referring to it as a bypass, but it's not signed as one, and the old alignment, a winding, slower road, only retained its street name, not a route designation. So it's not surprising that this thread gravitated toward examples of actual signed bypasses where the original road retained its designation, but seemed pointless. In Corey's example, small as Dundee is, it's not nothing.

mgk920

Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on August 16, 2025, 09:02:26 PMIn the 70s, WisDOT decided that WIS 13 needed to bypass Ogema. WIS 13 is still a rural two-lane highway in that area, and Ogema is unincorporated with a population of 188.

Also in Wisconsin, WisDOT basically bypassed a gas station at Hatley, just east of Wausau.  They built the four lane WI 29 around it, complete with an interchange.  The effect is especially stark going eastbound at night.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/yL7eAtMHvyKRU3aZ9

Mike

michravera

Quote from: pderocco on August 16, 2025, 06:45:16 PM
Quote from: michravera on August 16, 2025, 05:44:43 PM
Quote from: pderocco on August 15, 2025, 06:29:59 PM
Quote from: michravera on August 15, 2025, 05:27:04 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 18, 2024, 08:19:43 PMUS-70 Bypass near Selma, North Carolina, comes to mind because it's not a bypass of the designated business route and rather serves as a bypass of an interchange.

I-5 and CASR-14 in Southern California as well as I-580 in Northern California have Truck Bypasses in order to avoid trucks ending up on the left side of the freeway where they aren't allowed to be.

That's a common thing, but they're not usually "bypasses", or even "truck routes", just truck lanes. (See the I-5/I-210 and I-5/I-405 interchanges just south, or the I-5/CA-99 interchange further north.) But the I-5/CA-14 interchange is more complicated, as the truck lanes and main lanes have different connections to surface roads. TravelMapping treats the I-5 truck lanes as a separate road, I guess due to its connection to Sierra Hwy, but even that doesn't describe all the details.

Further south, the I-5/I-805 interchange is two interleaved interchanges, where the main lanes to/from the south provide access to Carmel Valley Rd, while the signed "Local Bypass" lanes provide access to CA-56. To/from the north, neither have a direct connection to CA-56. Yet TravelMapping doesn't show a separate I-5 bypass.

I guess that the instruction "TRUCKS MUST USE BYPASS" doesn't make them a "bypass" bypass but a "'bypass that isn't really a bypass bypass'" bypass.


I guess that makes it a good example for this thread, because it's not really bypassing anything special.

That said, I often drove those truck lanes during the day, because the main line of I-5 often suffered a traffic jam approaching the top, so I was bypassing that.

On SB I-5, it's very much easier to exit at Laval Rd, if you take the truck bypass. Since trucks need to show up in the right two lanes, when your goal is to end up in the right lane, it seems right to take the road build precisely for that!

Road Hog

Quote from: bassoon1986 on August 16, 2025, 09:14:18 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on August 16, 2025, 07:18:04 PMMy personal favorite (which I drove earlier this week) is probably the US 277 Dundee bypass in northern Texas.

Reminds me of Floyd TX a little further east on US 380 between McKinney and Greenville. Your bypass is much closer
I mentioned this one on the first page. I get that the highway was 4-laned around it, but it seemed silly for TxDOT to keep it in the state system at all, much less as a Business highway.



Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.