Control Cities

[Scott5114]

Beltways are most of the time longer than the route they're bypassing with the same control cities. Like I-270 uses Memphis and Chicago as control cities on the west side of St Louis, though I doubt anyone would use I-270 over I-55 or I-255 through St Louis.

From I-44 maybe, but on I-55, Memphis and Chicago are used on I-255, not I-270.

From I-55 in MO, I-255 North/East/Outer is signed Chicago, and I-270 North/West/Inner is signed Kansas City

From I-44, I-270 North/Inner is signed Chicago, and I-270 South/East/Outer is signed Memphis.

The worst bit about the Controls for I-270 at I-44, is using I-270 South/East to I-255 East/North for the Southeast/Outer bypass of STL is the shorter route back to the I-55/70/270 interchange in Troy, IL (and therefore onto Chicago) than using I-270 North/East for the Northwest/Inner bypass, and the Southeast bypass typically has less traffic, as well

About the only time I would consider using I-270 North/East for Chicago on the west side of St Louis is if I'm near the Airport/I-70 area already. I would probably (and have before) use I-270 between the STL Airport area and Troy, IL instead of using I-70 thru Downtown, to continue on either I-55 North/Chicago or I-70 East/Indianapolis. I would continue on I-70 East thru Downtown if continuing on I-64 East/Louisville

Yep, I was coming from I-44. I think there's a sign that advertises using I-270 to I-255 as a Chicago bypass, but if you don't specifically note this the control cities at the actual interchange will route you the opposite way.

The sensible thing to do on I-44 EB would be to have I-270 North be Kansas City and I-270 south be Chicago/Indianapolis. Seldom are travelers going to be on 44 EB wanting to go to Memphis. On I-44 WB, Kansas City and Memphis (perhaps Memphis/Chicago).

[SkyPesos]

About the only time I would consider using I-270 North/East for Chicago on the west side of St Louis is if I'm near the Airport/I-70 area already. I would probably (and have before) use I-270 between the STL Airport area and Troy, IL instead of using I-70 thru Downtown, to continue on either I-55 North/Chicago or I-70 East/Indianapolis. I would continue on I-70 East thru Downtown if continuing on I-64 East/Louisville

Only time I used I-70 as a through route through downtown is to drive on the Stan Musial Bridge. Between MO 364's eastern end to I-55/70/270 in Troy, it's a toss-up between using I-270/40/70 through downtown or I-270 along the north loop, though I prefer the downtown routing.

[SkyPesos]

The sensible thing to do on I-44 EB would be to have I-270 North be Kansas City and I-270 south be Chicago/Indianapolis. Seldom are travelers going to be on 44 EB wanting to go to Memphis. On I-44 WB, Kansas City and Memphis (perhaps Memphis/Chicago).

A pipe dream of mine is for MoDOT to take the AotS more seriously, and Iowa City or Cedar Rapids could be control city options on I-270.

[ilpt4u]

The sensible thing to do on I-44 EB would be to have I-270 North be Kansas City and I-270 south be Chicago/Indianapolis. Seldom are travelers going to be on 44 EB wanting to go to Memphis. On I-44 WB, Kansas City and Memphis (perhaps Memphis/Chicago).

A pipe dream of mine is for MoDOT to take the AotS more seriously, and Iowa City or Cedar Rapids could be control city options on I-270.

Go Big or Go Home: Take the AotS more seriously, and sign I-270 North Minneapolis, at least until the I-64/US 40/US 61/(unsigned)AotS exit

[Flint1979]

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Pittsburgh should be used instead of Breezwood.

Breezewood makes a lot of sense there. I-70 is on a N-S route in that area and Pittsburgh is west and I-70 doesn't even go to Pittsburgh.

[sprjus4]

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Pittsburgh should be used instead of Breezwood.

Breezewood makes a lot of sense there. I-70 is on a N-S route in that area and Pittsburgh is west and I-70 doesn't even go to Pittsburgh.

HighwayStar?

[hotdogPi]

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Pittsburgh should be used instead of Breezwood.

Breezewood makes a lot of sense there. I-70 is on a N-S route in that area and Pittsburgh is west and I-70 doesn't even go to Pittsburgh.

HighwayStar?

Angelo71.

[Flint1979]

I-70 goes through Pittsburgh in the same sense that I-80 goes through Cleveland and Chicago.

[sprjus4]

I-70 goes through Pittsburgh in the same sense that I-80 goes through Cleveland and Chicago.

Okay, and? Is that not a reason to list it as a control city?

[hotdogPi]

I-70 goes through Pittsburgh in the same sense that I-80 goes through Cleveland and Chicago.

Okay, and? Is that not a reason to list it as a control city?

We're talking about Pittsburgh here. "Gross" Pittsburgh.

[sprjus4]

I-70 goes through Pittsburgh in the same sense that I-80 goes through Cleveland and Chicago.

Okay, and? Is that not a reason to list it as a control city?

We're talking about Pittsburgh here. "Gross" Pittsburgh.

That's true, though I was more going for how the same highway in question doesn't exactly reach the city limits of a certain city and doesn't deserve highway signage.

[Flint1979]

Pittsburgh would be a control city on the Turnpike which I-70 runs on a part of so after Breezewood then you could use Pittsburgh until New Stanton then use Washington or even Wheeling, WV. I'd say use Wheeling to ease confusion of Washington, DC even though DC is about 250 miles away it could still cause confusion.

[Roadgeekteen]

Pittsburgh would be a control city on the Turnpike which I-70 runs on a part of so after Breezewood then you could use Pittsburgh until New Stanton then use Washington or even Wheeling, WV. I'd say use Wheeling to ease confusion of Washington, DC even though DC is about 250 miles away it could still cause confusion.

I'd consider using Columbus on free I-70 although Wheeling works.

[roadman65]

I-70 goes through Pittsburgh in the same sense that I-80 goes through Cleveland and Chicago.

What about I-40 going to Los Angeles? AZ signs I-40 west of Flagstaff as LA despite you having to use two other interstates to get there.

[ilpt4u]

I-70 goes through Pittsburgh in the same sense that I-80 goes through Cleveland and Chicago.

What about I-40 going to Los Angeles? AZ signs I-40 west of Flagstaff as LA despite you having to use two other interstates to get there.

I-80 and New York City
I-65 and Chicago
I-57 and Memphis
I-24 and St Louis
I-88(IL) and Iowa
I-22 and Memphis
I-15 and LA
I-70 and Las Vegas

Its not like this is that rare a phenomenon

[roadman65]

Then LA from Vegas on I-15.

We got into in another thread, as many believe Los Angeles is a more prominent place than San Diego.   Though LA was copied over from US 91 when it existed as it did go there. I-15 south of San Bernardino replaced US 395 to San Diego as US 91 became CA 91 and headed west then.

[jaehak]

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Pittsburgh should be used instead of Breezwood.

100% agree. I'd actually say 70 should sign Pittsburgh from 695 until New Stanton. Then go Columbus.

[Roadgeekteen]

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Why tf is Attleboro still used here.

[hbelkins]

Breezewood makes as much sense as Washington, Pa., does. It's the intersection of two major interstates.

Thought: Instead of using small towns as control cities (the two mentioned above, Wytheville, and any number of others), how about control intersections? Instead of washington, Pa., how about "Jct I-70" (for I-79) and "Jct I-79" (for I-70)?

[SkyPesos]

Imo if control routes are to be used instead of control cities, I prefer them to be used with route shields like this, than writing "JCT X" out.

[Roadgeekteen]

Breezewood makes as much sense as Washington, Pa., does. It's the intersection of two major interstates.

Thought: Instead of using small towns as control cities (the two mentioned above, Wytheville, and any number of others), how about control intersections? Instead of washington, Pa., how about "Jct I-70" (for I-79) and "Jct I-79" (for I-70)?

Washington has about 13 times as many people as Breezwood.

[thspfc]

Agree that Pittsburgh makes way more sense than Breezewood.

[CtrlAltDel]

Imo if control routes are to be used instead of control cities, I prefer them to be used with route shields like this, than writing "JCT X" out.

What about something like this:

[Roadgeekteen]

Imo if control routes are to be used instead of control cities, I prefer them to be used with route shields like this, than writing "JCT X" out.

What about something like this:

That sign could be a bit confusing.

[HighwayStar]

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7115234,-78.1862088,3a,75y,336.29h,93.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s431Lryya5mVr8ZNMEnZNdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Pittsburgh should be used instead of Breezwood.

Breezewood makes a lot of sense there. I-70 is on a N-S route in that area and Pittsburgh is west and I-70 doesn't even go to Pittsburgh.

HighwayStar?

Nope. But I do concur, I-70 does not go to Pittsburgh, therefore it should not be used as the control. Washington, PA or Wheeling, WV would also work, though Breezwood seems more appropriate.