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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1400 on: January 17, 2019, 10:44:00 PM »


Tennessee can work out its segments of I-69 since it's North of I-40 and more related to the Indiana and Kentucky segments.
IMO, I don't think TN will do anything for a while once the section from I-155 to the KY state line since the two segments will be connected by I-155 and I-55 without having to go too far out of the way.
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« Reply #1401 on: January 18, 2019, 12:06:27 PM »

It's possible (or even likely if the folks in Nashville have their way) that I-69 in Tennessee from Memphis to Dyersburg will be put in limbo indefinitely. Nevertheless they at least have plans drawn for the section between Millington and Dyersburg, starting at the North end of I-269. The segment between North Memphis and Millington is the tough nut to crack.

I'm willing to bet the I-69 segment between Millington and Dyersburg will be under construction or even finished before anything begins on the Great River Bridge. Even I-57 between Walnut Ridge and Sikeston might be well under way or finished by that time too.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1402 on: January 18, 2019, 12:38:55 PM »

Where do those trucks currently go? Oh wait, the same route through Arkansas.

Also remember there's the I-57 extension to bypass Memphis.

If the upgrade of US-59 to I-69 doesn't affect traffic counts any, then what's the point of spending money on it.  Of course it will increase counts, especially freight traffic.  AKA, trucks.
Inducing demand should never be the point of building a highway. Build it for traffic that currently exists and that is expected to exist whether or not the highway is built.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1403 on: January 18, 2019, 01:25:38 PM »

One thing to keep in mind is by the time I-69 is actually done there will probably be a lot of big trucks driven by AI instead of humans.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1404 on: January 18, 2019, 05:23:38 PM »

One thing to keep in mind is by the time I-69 is actually done there will probably be a lot of big trucks driven by AI instead of humans.
And many years ago, they said we'd be flying cars by 2020.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1405 on: January 19, 2019, 06:43:33 PM »

One thing to keep in mind is by the time I-69 is actually done there will probably be a lot of big trucks driven by AI instead of humans.
And many years ago, they said we'd be flying cars by 2020.

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1406 on: January 19, 2019, 06:53:58 PM »

One thing to keep in mind is by the time I-69 is actually done there will probably be a lot of big trucks driven by AI instead of humans.
And many years ago, they said we'd be flying cars by 2020.

<cue music> Meet George Jetson....
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1407 on: January 24, 2019, 07:57:43 AM »

Where do those trucks currently go? Oh wait, the same route through Arkansas.

Also remember there's the I-57 extension to bypass Memphis.

If the upgrade of US-59 to I-69 doesn't affect traffic counts any, then what's the point of spending money on it.  Of course it will increase counts, especially freight traffic.  AKA, trucks.
Inducing demand should never be the point of building a highway. Build it for traffic that currently exists and that is expected to exist whether or not the highway is built.

How many major interstate proposals have you seen recently that weren't based on "economic development".

Then the road gets built and the "economic development" was the addition of a truck stop, a Hardee's and a KFC/Taco Bell?

For the small town the road bypassed and built an exit for, its a tax revenue bonus as now some 200 local people are employed.  For the state, its a $150 million bill for getting the road through there.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1408 on: January 24, 2019, 09:59:33 AM »

Where do those trucks currently go? Oh wait, the same route through Arkansas.

Also remember there's the I-57 extension to bypass Memphis.

If the upgrade of US-59 to I-69 doesn't affect traffic counts any, then what's the point of spending money on it.  Of course it will increase counts, especially freight traffic.  AKA, trucks.
Inducing demand should never be the point of building a highway. Build it for traffic that currently exists and that is expected to exist whether or not the highway is built.

How many major interstate proposals have you seen recently that weren't based on "economic development".

Then the road gets built and the "economic development" was the addition of a truck stop, a Hardee's and a KFC/Taco Bell?

For the small town the road bypassed and built an exit for, its a tax revenue bonus as now some 200 local people are employed.  For the state, its a $150 million bill for getting the road through there.
One could say that, but in reality a bypass or an entire freeway adds to the mobility of the entire corridor. No stop lights, 75 MPH constant speed, and a major trucking route. That’s what I-69 is and what US 281 already is. I will say though they need to focusing on completing all the bypasses on the US 77 corridor (Refurgio, Oden, Driscoll, Riviera) before upgrading the rural segments. Those are perfectly fine as is for now. Finish the bottlenecks first.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1409 on: January 24, 2019, 10:03:22 AM »

One thing to keep in mind is by the time I-69 is actually done there will probably be a lot of big trucks driven by AI instead of humans.
And many years ago, they said we'd be flying cars by 2020.

<cue music> Meet George Jetson....
:-D :-D
Well, it's 2019 now, and a lot of people are asking where the flying cars went.

I loved that Jetsons reference, and since I-69 goes through Houston and the family dog was named after the city's baseball team, it fits the thread well.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1410 on: January 24, 2019, 11:55:31 AM »

On a different note, am I the only one who finds it weird the recent upgrade south of Robstown is signed solely as I-69 instead of I-69E? Is this an error, or could it possibly hint that will be the "main" I-69, while the others are "spurs"...?

Just saw that on Google Maps (Slow day at work)...

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.742841,-97.6972497,3a,15y,74.5h,87.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgUl0E0ivCKwCWXoWEjkotA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm pretty sure that the signs are in error and they will need to be replaced with I-69E signs.  I think the I-69E is designated by Congress.

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1411 on: January 24, 2019, 12:07:14 PM »

On a different note, am I the only one who finds it weird the recent upgrade south of Robstown is signed solely as I-69 instead of I-69E? Is this an error, or could it possibly hint that will be the "main" I-69, while the others are "spurs"...?

Just saw that on Google Maps (Slow day at work)...

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.742841,-97.6972497,3a,15y,74.5h,87.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgUl0E0ivCKwCWXoWEjkotA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm pretty sure that the signs are in error and they will need to be replaced with I-69E signs.  I think the I-69E is designated by Congress.
Yeah, that's the same thing I saw. Must be an error.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1412 on: January 24, 2019, 12:47:58 PM »


By and large, I've found this discussion of I-69 in Texas to be the most informed and useful of all sources I've uncovered on the internet. I'm wondering, however, if the current state of I-69 construction and planning in Texas could be presented more effectively in tabular/summary format. I've tried using the TXDOT Project Tracker, and while results are produced it's a laborious and confusing process.

Could one or more of you who follow the I-69 project in Texas closely put together a easy-to-understand construction/planning status summary, and then update it periodically. For instance, information could be separated into the following categories:

Segments Completed and Signed I-69 (district, county, length, start date, completion/signed date)
Under Construction (district, county, length, start date, projected completion date)
Construction Scheduled — Near Future / 1-4 years (district, county, length, estimated start date, projected completion date)
Construction Planned — Mid-range / 5-10 years (district, county, length, estimated start date, projected completion date)
Construction Planned — Long Range / 7-12 Years (district, county, length, estimated start date, projected completion date)
Segment/Route Approved — Not Yet Funded (district, county, length, estimated construction timeline)
Corridor Study (district, county, length, status of study (Tier 1, Tier 2, etc.), estimated construction timeline)

If such a summary is put together, perhaps it could be placed as the first entry of the I-69 in TX discussion. Updates could then be announced periodically in the thread.

Is this something some of you might find useful? Comments? Feedback?

This would be useful.  I've gotten better at using project tracker, but it takes time to work your way following the route of I-69 section by section,
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1413 on: January 24, 2019, 02:10:10 PM »

One thing to keep in mind is by the time I-69 is actually done there will probably be a lot of big trucks driven by AI instead of humans.
And many years ago, they said we'd be flying cars by 2020.

<cue music> Meet George Jetson....
:-D :-D
Well, it's 2019 now, and a lot of people are asking where the flying cars went.

I loved that Jetsons reference, and since I-69 goes through Houston and the family dog was named after the city's baseball team, it fits the thread well.

Ask and you shall receive.

Boeing, Airbus and a host of others are all working on prototypes.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/23/tech/boeing-flying-car/index.html
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1414 on: January 24, 2019, 02:17:33 PM »

On a different note, am I the only one who finds it weird the recent upgrade south of Robstown is signed solely as I-69 instead of I-69E? Is this an error, or could it possibly hint that will be the "main" I-69, while the others are "spurs"...?

Just saw that on Google Maps (Slow day at work)...

https://www.google.com/maps/@27.742841,-97.6972497,3a,15y,74.5h,87.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgUl0E0ivCKwCWXoWEjkotA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm pretty sure that the signs are in error and they will need to be replaced with I-69E signs.  I think the I-69E is designated by Congress.
Yeah, that's the same thing I saw. Must be an error.

Only the exit sign at I-37 shows I-69E (as well as Google), but all the of entry and exit signs going south are marked I-69.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1415 on: January 24, 2019, 02:47:03 PM »

the "economic development" was the addition of a truck stop, a Hardee's and a KFC/Taco Bell ... now some 200 local people are employed.

Holy cow, 200 people for three roadside businesses?
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1416 on: January 24, 2019, 03:19:57 PM »

the "economic development" was the addition of a truck stop, a Hardee's and a KFC/Taco Bell ... now some 200 local people are employed.

Holy cow, 200 people for three roadside businesses?

Depends on the size of the truck stop. In some parts of Louisiana, that truck stop might have a casino.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1417 on: January 30, 2019, 03:08:12 PM »

the "economic development" was the addition of a truck stop, a Hardee's and a KFC/Taco Bell ... now some 200 local people are employed.

Holy cow, 200 people for three roadside businesses?

I mean, the Iowa 80 no doubt employs that many people, but other than that one...
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1418 on: January 30, 2019, 03:15:14 PM »

Some of those roadside businesses are open 24/7, so they need staff in shifts plus weekends, it quickly adds up how many people work there (even part time). According to Wikipedia there are some 1.9 million people working for McDonald's worldwide, divided by 37,241 restaurants, that gives an average of 51 employees per restaurant.

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1419 on: February 01, 2019, 02:44:29 PM »

One thing to keep in mind is by the time I-69 is actually done there will probably be a lot of big trucks driven by AI instead of humans.
And many years ago, they said we'd be flying cars by 2020.

<cue music> Meet George Jetson....
:-D :-D
Well, it's 2019 now, and a lot of people are asking where the flying cars went.

I loved that Jetsons reference, and since I-69 goes through Houston and the family dog was named after the city's baseball team, it fits the thread well.

Uhh, no.  The Jetsons first ran on ABC in Fall 1962.  The Houston baseball team first began play in 1962 as the Colt .45s and didn't become the Astros until they moved into the Astrodome for the 1965 season.
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« Reply #1420 on: February 01, 2019, 04:49:11 PM »

^^^^^^^^^^
............and then the "Colt .45" monicker was applied to a really foul-tasting malt liquor in the ensuing years (one of my least memorable college memories!).  Almost as bad as "Old English 800"!!!!!
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1421 on: February 02, 2019, 11:00:14 AM »

Back to the future.  This article was from the Marshall, Texas news messenger a few days back - this was an "open house" event about a six-mile partial bypass around Marshall, Texas which will become part of I-369:

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“The approximately six-mile roadway, designated as State Loop 390 (SL 390), would be designed to interstate standards and would eventually become part of the U.S. 59 Relief Route and the future Interstate Highway 369 (I-369), part of the I-69 system through Texas,” TxDOT said in a press release.

“The proposed roadway would connect to the existing SL 390 at U.S. 80 to the north and would terminate south of I-20, extending the partial loop around Marshall that currently exists.”

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And, once completed, the I-369 Marshall relief route will improve mobility, freight movement efficiency and safety, officials said.

“The Marshall relief route will be the initial keystone block in the I-69 system in the northeast Texas segment stretching from Bowie County to Nacogdoches County,” officials said before. “Because it will link to I-20 in Harrison County, it will be eligible for addition to the Interstate Highway System as soon as it is completed.

https://www.marshallnewsmessenger.com/news/txdot-plans-loop-extension-open-house-thursday-in-marshall/article_da6a6836-2363-11e9-85ee-17922ffdbe5f.html

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« Reply #1422 on: February 02, 2019, 12:48:42 PM »

This was a highly-attended event in Marshall.  Looks like construction for it is scheduled for 2024.

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“There are a lot of people here interested in that extension of the loop,” MEDCO Executive Director Donna Maisel said, observing the large crowd.

In fact, the interest was so high that attendees started showing up 30 minutes before the event was set to begin.

“It’s been real busy here from 4:30 on,” said Sandifer. “People were here early, and this was a solid line until about 5:30,” he said. “Hopefully, everybody’s got their questions answered about this project.”

From 4:30 to 7 p.m. Thursday, TxDOT personnel entertained residents’ questions, explained proposed maps and collected written comments about the proposed project.

Thursday evening’s Open House was just the beginning of the process, he said. Maisel said MEDCO was particularly interested because of the economic development Marshall has on the east side.

“Marshall Economic Development is excited because that’s the east side of town, and that’s where most of our industry and our industry growth are located,” said Maisel.

Also, “access back to the interstate is key importance to us, and how that access is going to happen in the future is something that we’re highly interested in,” she said.

Pct. 1 County Commissioner William Hatfield attended the event to be more educated on how the proposal will impact his constituents.

“I’m commissioner in Precinct 1 and that’s south Marshall, and some of this right here is going to go right through some of my constituents’ property,” said Hatfield. “I just want to be schooled up on it where I’ll be a little bit more versed up on what’s going on and do the best I can to be able to answer some questions.”

District 2 City Commissioner Gail Beil considered the open house a high priority because of her interest in “proper growth.” She said she’s looking at development on the east side of the loop because the land is getting more and more valuable.

“I also really want to see, on the west side, senior citizen development, everything from high dollar zero-lot line houses to a nursing home that we desperately need that serves everything for an assistant living community,” said Beil. “So those are my interests.”

As a member of the Harrison County Historical Commission, she’s also passionate about educating others on the importance of preserving archeological artifacts found during highway construction projects.

“I’ve talked to several people that are much aware of the artifacts around here. It does not delay the building of the roads if you find artifacts,” Beil noted. “If they are aware of them, they need to call anybody on the Harrison County Historical Commission and say we know this is here, because then it gets mapped and left alone.”

Dr. Jim Harris, a resident on U.S. 59, hopes the extension of the loop will help ease the congestion he meets on the highway trying to leave home.

“It takes me 30 seconds to get out of my driveway now, so I’ll be happy when they get the loop built,” said Harris. “It’ll (also) be good for downtown Marshall.”

Harris shared how impressed he was with TxDOT’s presentation of the project.

“This is very preliminary, but it’s very well done,” said Harris. “The maps are good. They’re obviously paying a lot of attention about what the citizens want and they’re trying to be accommodating.”

https://www.marshallnewsmessenger.com/news/harrison-county-gets-first-look-at-proposed-loop-extension/article_880b4294-25bc-11e9-b0e0-139f59ec873e.html

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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1423 on: February 03, 2019, 12:23:41 PM »

This was a highly-attended event in Marshall.  Looks like construction for it is scheduled for 2024.

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“There are a lot of people here interested in that extension of the loop,” MEDCO Executive Director Donna Maisel said, observing the large crowd.

In fact, the interest was so high that attendees started showing up 30 minutes before the event was set to begin.

“It’s been real busy here from 4:30 on,” said Sandifer. “People were here early, and this was a solid line until about 5:30,” he said. “Hopefully, everybody’s got their questions answered about this project.”

From 4:30 to 7 p.m. Thursday, TxDOT personnel entertained residents’ questions, explained proposed maps and collected written comments about the proposed project.

Thursday evening’s Open House was just the beginning of the process, he said. Maisel said MEDCO was particularly interested because of the economic development Marshall has on the east side.

“Marshall Economic Development is excited because that’s the east side of town, and that’s where most of our industry and our industry growth are located,” said Maisel.

Also, “access back to the interstate is key importance to us, and how that access is going to happen in the future is something that we’re highly interested in,” she said.

Pct. 1 County Commissioner William Hatfield attended the event to be more educated on how the proposal will impact his constituents.

“I’m commissioner in Precinct 1 and that’s south Marshall, and some of this right here is going to go right through some of my constituents’ property,” said Hatfield. “I just want to be schooled up on it where I’ll be a little bit more versed up on what’s going on and do the best I can to be able to answer some questions.”

District 2 City Commissioner Gail Beil considered the open house a high priority because of her interest in “proper growth.” She said she’s looking at development on the east side of the loop because the land is getting more and more valuable.

“I also really want to see, on the west side, senior citizen development, everything from high dollar zero-lot line houses to a nursing home that we desperately need that serves everything for an assistant living community,” said Beil. “So those are my interests.”

As a member of the Harrison County Historical Commission, she’s also passionate about educating others on the importance of preserving archeological artifacts found during highway construction projects.

“I’ve talked to several people that are much aware of the artifacts around here. It does not delay the building of the roads if you find artifacts,” Beil noted. “If they are aware of them, they need to call anybody on the Harrison County Historical Commission and say we know this is here, because then it gets mapped and left alone.”

Dr. Jim Harris, a resident on U.S. 59, hopes the extension of the loop will help ease the congestion he meets on the highway trying to leave home.

“It takes me 30 seconds to get out of my driveway now, so I’ll be happy when they get the loop built,” said Harris. “It’ll (also) be good for downtown Marshall.”

Harris shared how impressed he was with TxDOT’s presentation of the project.

“This is very preliminary, but it’s very well done,” said Harris. “The maps are good. They’re obviously paying a lot of attention about what the citizens want and they’re trying to be accommodating.”

https://www.marshallnewsmessenger.com/news/harrison-county-gets-first-look-at-proposed-loop-extension/article_880b4294-25bc-11e9-b0e0-139f59ec873e.html


Here is a link to the official notice for the meeting with a map of the project.

http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot/get-involved/atl/sl390/013119-notice.pdf

If I'm reading that map right, this will build the full I-369 I-20 interchange.
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Re: I-69 in TX
« Reply #1424 on: February 03, 2019, 01:20:08 PM »

Here is a link to the off for the meeting with a map of the project.

http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot/get-involved/atl/sl390/013119-notice.pdf

If I'm reading that map right, this will build the full I-369 I-20 interchange.
Here's what it will eventually look like when I-369 is fully completed.

http://ftp.dot.state.tx.us/pub/txdot/get-involved/atl/us59-harrison-county/harrison-map-best-options.pdf
The green routing.
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