OpenStreetMap

[NE2]

Turnpike? highway=motorway toll=yes. Done.

[Scott5114]

I'd rather there be actual symbology for that, such that a toll highway displays differently than a free highway.

[NE2]

I'd rather there be actual symbology for that, such that a toll highway displays differently than a free highway.

It does on the MapQuest rendering. (But only if it's motorway, not trunk...)
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.0945&lon=-95.9716&zoom=12&layers=Q
Apparently the Gilcrease is no longer a freeway...?

[lordsutch]

I'd rather there be actual symbology for that, such that a toll highway displays differently than a free highway.

Blame the "Mapnik" default rendering, which is based on UK Ordnance Survey style, since toll roads (other than bridges) are few and far between in the UK.  When/if the relation-based shield rendering becomes available that's something that can easily be addressed, along with other wishlist things like figuring out a different rendering for divided highways.

[lordsutch]

Speaking of the relation-based shield rendering, according to talk-us a demo is now live on the OpenStreetmap.us server; it apparently should be truly "live" with controls and the like soon once some optimizations are done to ensure everything runs smoothly.  A preview without controls is at http://tile.openstreetmap.us/osmus_shields/preview.html#13/33.5277/-86.7385 (panning works, zooming in works by double-click; anything else will require fooling with the query string).

I have to say it looks nice so far and hopefully is the first step towards a more inviting initial map for North American audiences who don't appreciate the virtues (or lack thereof) of Ordnance Survey-style maps.

[NE2]

God damn it, Brian@Brea...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/16891509/history

[rickmastfan67]

God damn it, Brian@Brea...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/16891509/history

I've reverted it and sent him a message about it.

[NE2]

On 10/13/2013 11:13 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
>> From: data@osmfoundation.org [mailto:data@osmfoundation.org] On Behalf
>> Of Nathan Edgars II
>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mapping local observations
>>
>>> Thank you for your message and for your willingness to improve OSM. We
>>> do however think that allowing you to edit anything so shortly after a
>>> ban would send the wrong message, so our answer has to be no at this
>>> time.
>>
>> Is it still too soon? Another new road is about to open and the openings
>> several months ago are still not correctly mapped.
>
> Your ban was indefinite. Although criteria were not set for lifting the ban,
> we would expect evidence from your behavior elsewhere that indicates that
> the systemic communication and conflict problems that lead to your ban were
> no longer an issue. Only then would lifting it be considered.

I love getting useless answers. Is OSM a mapping project or a bloody social network? Does the so-called data working group actually care about the data?

[realjd]

On 10/13/2013 11:13 PM, Paul Norman wrote:
>> From: data@osmfoundation.org [mailto:data@osmfoundation.org] On Behalf
>> Of Nathan Edgars II
>> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 1:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mapping local observations
>>
>>> Thank you for your message and for your willingness to improve OSM. We
>>> do however think that allowing you to edit anything so shortly after a
>>> ban would send the wrong message, so our answer has to be no at this
>>> time.
>>
>> Is it still too soon? Another new road is about to open and the openings
>> several months ago are still not correctly mapped.
>
> Your ban was indefinite. Although criteria were not set for lifting the ban,
> we would expect evidence from your behavior elsewhere that indicates that
> the systemic communication and conflict problems that lead to your ban were
> no longer an issue. Only then would lifting it be considered.

I love getting useless answers. Is OSM a mapping project or a bloody social network? Does the so-called data working group actually care about the data?

You haven't just gone and made another account yet?

[lordsutch]

Call me crazy, but I'm guessing criticizing the decisions made by another project's administrators on a public board that (a) they know you frequent, and (b) are probably monitoring to see whether or not you can play nicely with others as part of their decision-making as to whether or not to rescind your ban, may be unwise.

[hotdogPi]

Except for rare parts of the North Shore, it is all "SR 28" instead of "MA 28" for all routes in Massachusetts (28 was an example). It would take a LOT of work to make them all "MA" though.

[NE2]

Call me crazy, but I'm guessing criticizing the decisions made by another project's administrators on a public board that (a) they know you frequent, and (b) are probably monitoring to see whether or not you can play nicely with others as part of their decision-making as to whether or not to rescind your ban, may be unwise.

They've obviously decided not to let me back in and are going to shape the arguments to fit that.

PS: you snitching?

[SD Mapman]

Except for rare parts of the North Shore, it is all "SR 28" instead of "MA 28" for all routes in Massachusetts (28 was an example). It would take a LOT of work to make them all "MA" though.

I know... I've worked on converting Utah to UT...

[lordsutch]

They've obviously decided not to let me back in and are going to shape the arguments to fit that.

PS: you snitching?

Uh, no. But it's hard to read "we would expect evidence from your behavior elsewhere that indicates that the systemic communication and conflict problems that lead to your ban were no longer an issue" without assuming they can Google "NE2" and quickly end up here.

[NE2]

Well, poo.

[route56]

They've obviously decided not to let me back in and are going to shape the arguments to fit that.

Posting said comment in a forum where "they" could possibly read it makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[FightingIrish]

I've been messing around with OSM a bit this week. Could you explain basically how streets/major highways are supposed to be marked? I've read the documentation but most of it is geared toward UK use. Am I correct in the understanding that it goes Interstate/freeway=motorway, expressway=trunk, US=primary, state=secondary? What are urban major arterials supposed to be? In Oklahoma City they are marked as secondary but in Norman they are tertiary. (If major arterials are secondary, is tertiary for residential collectors?)

Heh. There's no real consensus here. Motorway is of course freeway (add bicycle=yes if bikes are allowed). Trunk is used for both surface expressways and for major intercity highways (such as US 93 Phoenix-Las Vegas, even on those sections that aren't strictly expressway). Primary-secondary-tertiary is a balancing act with no strict rules. Usually a U.S. Highway will be primary or higher and a state highway will be secondary or higher, but exceptions will come up (for example I'd guess that SH 9 from Norman to Tecumseh serves a decent amount of traffic and should be primary). Functional classification is another useful data point; generally principal=primary, minor=secondary, collector=tertiary will be a good starting point. My personal balance can be seen best in Orlando. But really, as long as you're internally consistent (e.g. not ending a secondary at an intersection of tertiaries without a good reason, like in Norman), you shouldn't have problems.

By the way, rendering is currently borked, so your changes won't show up immediately.

Yeah, I'm quoting old posts, but I kinda have my own system for marking flavors of highways:

Freeway = motorway (duh!)
Trunk highway = expressway (only thing I can figure out a use for it)
Primary = major US/state routes (since they're basically the same in most states' eyes)
Secondary = major streets through an area, county routes, minor state highways
Tertiary = minor collector streets without stop signs
Minor road = residential streets that serve as collectors, heavier traffic but not enough to be a tertiary. Unfortunately, they don't show up very well on maps, so I may change them to tertiary (not keen on unclassified).

I also only end primary/secondary/tertiary roads at other similar roads or greater, unless there's a good reason not to. Minor roads can end at residential.

Oh, and here's my profile: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/FightingIrish1

[NE2]

So is anyone willing to help me get the local streets correct?

[lordsutch]

Which local streets?

[NE2]

Which local streets?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/28.3926/-81.5192&layers=N
I've had these notes here for months.

[rickmastfan67]

That was very inappropriate renaming this thread NE2.  Please don't do that again.  I wouldn't stop you from renaming your new "individual" posts as they don't rename the entire thread, but not the entire thread name by editing the first post of the thread.

[NE2]

How's this?

[NE2]

This better?

[NE2]

What is this? U.S. 10 is not an expressway through Wadena. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/46.4454/-95.1359

Trunk doesn't mean expressway any more than primary means four-lane.

[Molandfreak]

What is this? U.S. 10 is not an expressway through Wadena. http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/46.4454/-95.1359

Trunk doesn't mean expressway any more than primary means four-lane.

Eh, I made a mistake. I'm new at this