Historic Thomas Brothers Maps (56k warning)

[Quillz]

Yeah, I noticed that, hence my post. I always thought the current CA-26 was a much older route than 1964.

[SimMoonXP]

For Quillz: I have one question for you. It is possible for you can make a list of your Thomas Bros mapbooks here?

[Quillz]

I don't have that many, actually. LA/Ventura Counties from 1998, San Bernardino/Riverside Counties from 2004 and a state-wide guide from 2007. I do have one older guide from 1987 but I can't find it at the moment.

[DTComposer]

Yeah, I noticed that, hence my post. I always thought the current CA-26 was a much older route than 1964.

CA-26 was originally CA-6 (to fall in line with the 2-6-10-14-18-22-26 numbering as discussed in a recent thread), but was renumbered fairly quickly when US-6 was assigned (the original CA-26 (Bolsa Ave/1st Street) was probably never signed in the field).

[Alps]

San Diego: Since CA 163 freeway was partly US 395, why didn't I-15 follow it but instead end up on a new alignment?

[Bigmikelakers]

San Diego: Since CA 163 freeway was partly US 395, why didn't I-15 follow it but instead end up on a new alignment?

I think the 163 is not up to Interstate standards especially south of I-8. Maybe thats a factor. I'm not sure though.

[Alps]

San Diego: Since CA 163 freeway was partly US 395, why didn't I-15 follow it but instead end up on a new alignment?

I think the 163 is not up to Interstate standards especially south of I-8. Maybe thats a factor. I'm not sure though.

I would say, this being the 1950s or early 60s, it would be a lot cheaper to upgrade an existing freeway with room inside the ROW than to build a whole new one. You might make a different decision now after the precedents of the late 1960s freeway revolts and EPA legislation of the 1970s.

[Bigmikelakers]

I think it would have been nearly impossible to widen 163 through Balboa Park due to the opposition. It would be like widening the Pasadena Freeway between downtown and Pasadena.

[Roadmapfan66]

I would assume that you dont have any old Automobile Club of Southern California maps in your collection, Sim Moon XP?  Those are harder to get and to post here, Morro Bay is the town I lived in since 1995.  Do you have any Thomas Bros. Maps of the Pheonix, AZ area and of Portland, OR? Dating back to the 1960s and 1970s?   Just wondering if your collections has old ACSC maps too like i do, I have one that dates back to the last 1950s for the Los Angeles County and Vicinity map. I can remember when Interstate 5 was U.S. 99 with bold red double lines running up from the Kern County boundary to Bakersfield.   But I need a source where I can see them, etc.  LA County no exceptions.   --- SCP

[Roadmapfan66]

I would assume that you dont have any old Automobile Club of Southern California maps in your collection, Sim Moon XP?  Those are harder to get and to post here, Morro Bay is the town I lived in since 1995.  Do you have any Thomas Bros. Maps of the Pheonix, AZ area and of Portland, OR? Dating back to the 1960s and 1970s?   Just wondering if your collections has old ACSC maps too like i do, I have one that dates back to the last 1950s for the Los Angeles County and Vicinity map. I can remember when Interstate 5 was U.S. 99 with bold red double lines running up from the Kern County boundary to Bakersfield.   But I need a source where I can see them, etc.  LA County no exceptions.   --- SCP

Also I want to point out my friend Richard who lives in my neighborhood thinks that U.S. 6 was co-signed with U.S. 99 all the way up to Gorman and the Grapevine Pass area, by taking a reverse N route through Solemint, Acton, Palmdale and Lancaster, he is wrong because Interstate 5 took over that section of U.S. 99 by 1966 and beyond.  I dont know where he gets this crazy idea, it sounds a bit far fetched doesnt it? 

Scott Presnal

[hm insulators]

Bigmikelakers and SimMoon XP, cool maps! Thank you for posting those; I thoroughly enjoyed them!

Could either one of you post 1940s, '50s and early '60s pages showing the Glendora/San Dimas/Laverne area (I was born in Glendora) and La Canada Flintridge (I was raised there)?

[Bigmikelakers]

Bigmikelakers and SimMoon XP, cool maps! Thank you for posting those; I thoroughly enjoyed them!

Could either one of you post 1940s, '50s and early '60s pages showing the Glendora/San Dimas/Laverne area (I was born in Glendora) and La Canada Flintridge (I was raised there)?

Here's La Canada from my 1947 Thomas Guide. I would have posted Glendora/San Dimas/La Verne but, that area isn't included in the book.

[DTComposer]

Could either one of you post 1940s, '50s and early '60s pages showing the Glendora/San Dimas/Laverne area (I was born in Glendora) and La Canada Flintridge (I was raised there)?

Here they are from 1959:

[Roadmapfan66]

I wonder if you have any of the Orange County  area Thomas Bros. Atlas showing the proposed, under construction and completed sections of I-405 pass the Laguna Freeway, as well as the Laguna Freeway's proposed route to Laguna Beach 1965 to 1980.

Along with that the proposed route of State Route 65 on the northeast and east side of Sacramento including the proposed Sacramento freeway system consisting of CA 244, CA 143 & CA 148.   I remember CA 65 being proposed as an outer bypass for Sacramento as a freeway, that should have got built by now.

[Bigmikelakers]

Interesting to see the 605 being proposed south of the 405. Would have made a lot of sense to have had it terminate at PCH in Seal Beach. Even today the land is still undeveloped with the exception of the Leisure Village.

SimMoon, can you post the 1969 thomas guide through Long Beach? I see the 22 was supposed to be extended into Long Beach.

[Bigmikelakers]

That freeway would have made a lot of sense and should have been built. Having it terminate at the 110 would have been fine. I dont know what was with it being proposed into Lomita. Maybe it was supposed to be part of the Pacific Coast Freeway.

[DTComposer]

1969 Los Angeles County Proposed Freeway near California Highway 1

That freeway would have made a lot of sense and should have been built. Having it terminate at the 110 would have been fine. I dont know what was with it being proposed into Lomita. Maybe it was supposed to be part of the Pacific Coast Freeway.

As someone who would be using this freeway every day (live in downtown LB, work by CSULB, regular projects in Palos Verdes), I actually don't think it's that necessary. Improvements to signal synchronization along 7th, Anaheim and PCH and reconfiguration of the 7th/PCH/Bellflower intersection would be enough to dramatically improve traffic flow across town.

[Bigmikelakers]

Have you heard of 1993 The Trimble Atlas?

R6-14


R6-387


R6-388


R6-10


R6-350

What is this? I never heard of this. Looks like a national thomas guide.

[Bigmikelakers]

Where did you get this from? I want it.

[SimMoonXP]

I got from Ebay.com in about 5 years ago. What areas you been in USA before?

[Bigmikelakers]

Nevada (Las Vegas) and Arizona mostly. And a southern Utah (St George).

[Bigmikelakers]

SimMoon, what routing did I-10 take through Phoenix in '78 before the freeway? Was there some kind of temp street routing? Or was there just a gap?

[roadfro]

It sure is interesting to see all these old maps. I love to see historic maps and how things have changed.

I have one request for SimMoonXP and others: Can you please limit the amount of pictures you put in a single post to say 10 or so? There's a lot of high quality images in this thread--including one post that had over 50 (!) images in it alone--and too many on one page may make it difficult to load. My browser got hung up for several minutes just now trying to load everything. Thanks!

[Bigmikelakers]

[english si]

that half-done junction in Moorpark was going to be a stack? Mental!