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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2009, 01:27:53 AM »

Going back to U.S. 31 Business in South Bend, is the route inconsistently signed along Indiana 933, or signed with only the old shields such as the one pictured in a previous post? Also does the route continue to Niles, Michigan, end at the state line, or follow Cleveland Road west back to U.S. 31 at Brick Road the way Bing Maps suggests?
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2009, 07:05:57 AM »

I did a road trip along US 31 and old US 31 in northern Indiana in late 2007.  (http://jimgrey.net/Roads/US31NorthernIndiana/index.htm).  When I did that trip, there were no Bus. US 31 shields north of Cleveland Road; indeed, signs pointed Bus. 31 down Cleveland.

The route south of there is signed as Bus 31 only with old shields -- the same ones that were there when the route was actually the US highway way back when.  (I grew up there and remember very well when the "Business" signs went up above the 31 shields.)
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2009, 09:42:30 AM »

Going back to U.S. 31 Business in South Bend, is the route inconsistently signed along Indiana 933, or signed with only the old shields such as the one pictured in a previous post? Also does the route continue to Niles, Michigan, end at the state line, or follow Cleveland Road west back to U.S. 31 at Brick Road the way Bing Maps suggests?

On my recent trip to Grand Rapids, I spend the first night of my trip in a motel on IN 933 (Dixieway) north of Cleveland. I drove west of Cleveland out to the Meijer and can confirm that Business US 31 is signed on both Dixieway and Cleveland. However, the transition of northbound Business 31 from Dixieway to Cleveland, and southbound Business 31 from Cleveland to Dixieway, is NOT signed.
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2019, 12:03:33 PM »

I recall seeing a ton of US 41 Business signs along US 41 in places like Princeton and Kentland in the 90s.  They all seem to be gone now.  I assume they have been decommissioned.  I wonder why SR 63 isnít signed as US 41W or US 41A.
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2019, 03:08:37 PM »

I recall seeing a ton of US 41 Business signs along US 41 in places like Princeton and Kentland in the 90s.  They all seem to be gone now.  I assume they have been decommissioned.  I wonder why SR 63 isnít signed as US 41W or US 41A.
Growing up near Princeton in the 70s, I used to see those signs all the time, but they have been phased out.  I can't even remember when the Business 41 sign disappeared from the intersection with the current US41 that bypasses Princeton.  It seems like forever. 

Vincennes used to have some for their old route, and I believe that there is actually one or two signs that still exist (faded) in Evansville for Business 41.
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2019, 10:59:03 PM »

I can confirm that the ones in Vincennes still exist. There was one in Terre Haute just south of the Lafayette Ave / Park Ave intersection, but several years ago they modified the intersection and replaced the old sign with a "US 41" sign (no mention of business) that is still there.

https://goo.gl/maps/3m31341Vrw64HiYY8

https://goo.gl/maps/UnLrRtpU1jHop99f9
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2019, 10:36:31 PM »

I recall seeing a ton of US 41 Business signs along US 41 in places like Princeton and Kentland in the 90s.  They all seem to be gone now.  I assume they have been decommissioned.  I wonder why SR 63 isnít signed as US 41W or US 41A.
Growing up near Princeton in the 70s, I used to see those signs all the time, but they have been phased out.  I can't even remember when the Business 41 sign disappeared from the intersection with the current US41 that bypasses Princeton.  It seems like forever. 

Vincennes used to have some for their old route, and I believe that there is actually one or two signs that still exist (faded) in Evansville for Business 41.

The Evansville signs are still there in a couple places on Fares Avenue, I know south of Morgan Avenue, but no longer are there any at Diamond Avenue (SR 66). There, instead of Fares Avenue, the street signs read "Old Business 41."

I've long thought INDOT was missing the boat by not marking business routes. They could be a useful tool for the cities that were bypassed ... but what do I know?
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2019, 01:37:43 PM »

They also removed signage from SR 431/Keystone Ave, which is rather odd because they're currently improving the route with a lot of overpasses w/exit ramps.

That's because SR 431 was turned back to the city of Carmel, and it is that entity which is improving the road (roundabout interchanges being the most prominent feature of the upgrades).

SR 431 still exists, it goes from 465 to 96th st. Only because Indy didn't want the road.
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2019, 02:09:32 PM »

They also removed signage from SR 431/Keystone Ave, which is rather odd because they're currently improving the route with a lot of overpasses w/exit ramps.

That's because SR 431 was turned back to the city of Carmel, and it is that entity which is improving the road (roundabout interchanges being the most prominent feature of the upgrades).

SR 431 still exists, it goes from 465 to 96th st. Only because Indy didn't want the road.

Are you sure about this?  Everything I can find says that 431 is gone entirely but you're saying the 3/10 of a mile or so between 465 and 96th St is still 431?
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2019, 02:13:08 PM »

They also removed signage from SR 431/Keystone Ave, which is rather odd because they're currently improving the route with a lot of overpasses w/exit ramps.

That's because SR 431 was turned back to the city of Carmel, and it is that entity which is improving the road (roundabout interchanges being the most prominent feature of the upgrades).

SR 431 still exists, it goes from 465 to 96th st. Only because Indy didn't want the road.

Are you sure about this?  Everything I can find says that 431 is gone entirely but you're saying the 3/10 of a mile or so between 465 and 96th St is still 431?

Maybe it has changed but the last time I checked Indots maps it still shows that tiny piece of 431 still being there.
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2019, 09:54:44 PM »

The INDOT maps (click Indianapolis) to see has a 2/28/18 version that indeed shows 431.  The Greenfield District map also shows it ending just north of 465.  431 even makes it onto the statewide map with white background!

The Wikipedia article on IN 431 is technically incorrect...even a linked reference mentions that INDOT transferred the roadway from 96th northward to Carmel, and it has always said "citation needed" for the decommissioning of the route in its entirety.  Of course, it was removed from signage, but it does actually exist...
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2019, 10:03:06 PM »

they sign 134, why not 431? i wonder which is shorter?
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2019, 08:38:39 AM »

they sign 134, why not 431? i wonder which is shorter?

134 is one of many "spur" routes that lead to a state facility.  Those are going to be signed regardless of length.  Signing 431 for such a short distance could be confusing.
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Re: Indiana business routes gone?
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2019, 01:37:29 PM »

there is a business SR 13 in North Manchester: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0153525,-85.7640884,3a,15.1y,326.35h,88.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scciMBmKBr1uWbKrZQT9rzA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Not signed at the other end however.  Presumably it follows Wayne St. to Main St/114 and then back to 13, but there is no signage on Main St/114 to indicate as much.
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