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We Killed Osama bin Laden!!!

Started by berberry, May 01, 2011, 11:15:38 PM

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agentsteel53

Quote from: mightyace on May 02, 2011, 09:08:36 PM
IMO, I don't think that would have been a problem.  Worst case, he would have been "shot while trying to escape."  ;-)

I much prefer it this way.  I'd rather our leaders overtly announce their decision, as opposed to hiding behind fictions of legalese and convenience.  "it was a mission to kill" is significantly more honest than "he was shot trying to escape" - certainly much more honest than the politics we've grown used to.

I cannot 100% endorse the decision to assassinate (though I do endorse it 99% simply because the evidence was clearly in hand, so a fair and impartial trial would've likely resulted in a sentence of death anyway), but again I am pleased to note that it wasn't covered in a thin veneer of government-issue bullshit.
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Henry

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 02, 2011, 04:27:14 PM
Actually, that's the fourth verse. Full lyrics are as follows:

O! say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there;
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner, O! long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country, should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave,
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation.
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the Heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust;"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Well, thanks for clearing that up!

Add one more "F*** yeah!!!" to the celebration. :clap:
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go! Hey Chicago, what do you say? The Cubs are gonna win today!

mjb2002

Eagerly awaiting the photos and video of how our Navy SEALs 86ed the scum.

agentsteel53

Quote from: mjb2002 on May 03, 2011, 12:07:03 PM
Eagerly awaiting the photos and video of how our Navy SEALs 86ed the scum.

give 'em a few more days.  Pixar can only work their magic so fast...
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berberry

Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 03, 2011, 02:51:05 AM

I much prefer it this way.  I'd rather our leaders overtly announce their decision, as opposed to hiding behind fictions of legalese and convenience.  "it was a mission to kill" is significantly more honest than "he was shot trying to escape" - certainly much more honest than the politics we've grown used to.

And of course, either one would have been significantly more honest than anything we ever got out of the liar who left office in Jan 2009.

berberry


Duke87

Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 03, 2011, 02:51:05 AM
I cannot 100% endorse the decision to assassinate (though I do endorse it 99% simply because the evidence was clearly in hand, so a fair and impartial trial would've likely resulted in a sentence of death anyway), but again I am pleased to note that it wasn't covered in a thin veneer of government-issue bullshit.

An irrelevant argument. His bodyguards would not have let us take him alive. We've known for years that they had orders to shoot him if they got cornered. Indeed, that may very well have been exactly what happened.
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Brandon

Quote from: berberry on May 03, 2011, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 03, 2011, 02:51:05 AM

I much prefer it this way.  I'd rather our leaders overtly announce their decision, as opposed to hiding behind fictions of legalese and convenience.  "it was a mission to kill" is significantly more honest than "he was shot trying to escape" - certainly much more honest than the politics we've grown used to.

And of course, either one would have been significantly more honest than anything we ever got out of the liar who left entered office in Jan 2009.

FIFY.
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berberry

#35
Quote from: Brandon on May 04, 2011, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: berberry on May 03, 2011, 05:31:35 PM
Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 03, 2011, 02:51:05 AM

I much prefer it this way.  I'd rather our leaders overtly announce their decision, as opposed to hiding behind fictions of legalese and convenience.  "it was a mission to kill" is significantly more honest than "he was shot trying to escape" - certainly much more honest than the politics we've grown used to.

And of course, either one would have been significantly more honest than anything we ever got out of the liar who left entered office in Jan 2009.

FIFY.

If the first word stands for "fucked", then yeah, you did!

Post Merge: May 04, 2011, 02:36:55 PM

Quote from: US71 on May 04, 2011, 11:35:45 AM
Quote from: berberry on May 03, 2011, 05:44:50 PM
If you missed Jon Stewart's hilarious take on this, then check it out.

"Video not available"

Dunno what to say about this one.  I checked it just now and it works for me.  Sorry, I really wish you could see it.

route56

Quote from: berberry on May 04, 2011, 01:41:39 PM
Quote from: Brandon on May 04, 2011, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: berberry on May 03, 2011, 05:31:35 PM
And of course, either one would have been significantly more honest than anything we ever got out of the liar who left entered office in Jan 2009.

FIFY.

If the first word stands for "fucked", then yeah, you did!
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agentsteel53

guys, guys, guys, break it up.  let's just agree that all elected officials are lying scumbags!
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Alps

Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 04, 2011, 04:06:04 PM
guys, guys, guys Children, break it up.  let's just agree that all elected officials are lying scumbags!
FIFY

agentsteel53

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berberry

Quote from: agentsteel53 on May 04, 2011, 04:06:04 PM
guys, guys, guys, break it up.  let's just agree that all elected officials are lying scumbags!

Not sure exactly how this president is lying about this matter, but I'm pretty sure he's lied about other things so I'm inclined to agree with you.  The only constant in life is the speed of light, which means there must be an exception to your rule somewhere, though. 

FWIW, I'm pretty sure we haven't had such an exception in the White House in many decades if not centuries.

agentsteel53

Quote from: berberry on May 05, 2011, 11:26:07 AM

FWIW, I'm pretty sure we haven't had such an exception in the White House in many decades if not centuries.

maybe Washington... maybe.
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corco

Washington definitely. Chester Arthur definitely. Everybody else sucked.

agentsteel53

what about Polk?  now that I think about it, he outlined an agenda for his four years, got it all accomplished, did not run for re-election, and died six months later.
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J N Winkler

*  Polk engaged in aggressive war of the kind subsequently outlawed by the Kellogg-Briand pact.

*  What about Honest Abe?
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agentsteel53

Quote from: J N Winkler on May 05, 2011, 03:09:24 PM
*  Polk engaged in aggressive war of the kind subsequently outlawed by the Kellogg-Briand pact.

*  What about Honest Abe?

if you're going to bring that up about Polk ... Honest Abe put the entire state of Maryland under martial law!  It technically may have been constitutional ("state of emergency" and other horseshit), but it's actually far worse than anything the TSA, the Border Patrol, etc are doing today.
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J N Winkler

Martial law is just what you have to do when the civil authorities are bent on violating the human rights of a sizable segment of the population.  Are our reasons for getting involved in Libya in 2011 so very different from our reasons for getting involved in the Southern states in 1866?
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agentsteel53

Quote from: J N Winkler on May 05, 2011, 03:22:36 PM
Martial law is just what you have to do when the civil authorities are bent on violating the human rights of a sizable segment of the population.  Are our reasons for getting involved in Libya in 2011 so very different from our reasons for getting involved in the Southern states in 1866?

maybe so, but I still do not agree with the suspension of habeas corpus.
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J N Winkler

It is important to look at the downstream consequences.  The state of emergency did eventually come to an end, as did the suspension of habeas corpus.  Was anyone thereafter subject to indefinite detention as a result of that suspension?
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