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Tollway Facility signs used as advertizing.

Started by Brian556, October 13, 2011, 01:42:28 AM

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I have noticed that Dallas North Tollway signs are plastered all over North Dallas, in a manner that TO[state hwy] markers would never be posted, suggesting that they may have been posted by the Tollway Authority in order to "advertize" the toll facility. Some of them don't even direct drivers to the most logical route to the tollway. For example, signs on Webb Chapel Rd tell motorists to use Forest Ln, rather than I-635, to access the Tollway. Kinda interesting that TxDot allows these to be posted on it's highways, such as Loop 12 and I-635, considering that TxDot policy strictly prohibits advertizing on the state ROW.


Brandon

^^ They're trailblazers, no different than if it were a state route shield.
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Kacie Jane

Quote from: Brandon on October 13, 2011, 07:09:48 AM
^^ They're trailblazers, no different than if it were a state route shield.

In theory, yes.  But in practice, I remember some odd things when I lived in New Jersey.  I think the key words in the OP are "in a manner that TO[state hwy] markers would never be posted."

Somewhere on the Alps Roads site is a picture of a Garden State Parkway shield with a banner that says "6 MILES" and an arrow.  When was the last time you saw a trailblazer for an interstate six miles away from the freeway?  While I wouldn't necessarily call it advertising that should be prohibited on DOT highways, I think there is a definite intent to get people on toll highways as much and as soon as possible.

hbelkins

I've seen interstate trailblazers lots farther away than six miles in lots of places.
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Brian556

QuoteI've seen interstate trailblazers lots farther away than six miles in lots of places.
The only time i've seen this is near Chattanooga, TN. "TO I-59 XX MILES" assemblies are posted on I-24 heading west out of Chattanooga, but I believe the reasoning is that: #1. People would expect Interstate junctions to be at major cities, not in rural area; #2. The overheads at the I-75 junction, If iremember correctly, mention I-59.

agentsteel53

there is an I-40 trailblazer in Virginia on, I believe, US-220 south.  it is about 70 miles north of I-40.
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Brandon

Quote from: hbelkins on October 14, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
I've seen interstate trailblazers lots farther away than six miles in lots of places.

Same here.  There's an I-39 (sans US-51) one at the intersection of IL-29 and IL-17 in Sparland, some 16 miles away from the interstate.
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3467

We have had trailblazer thread somewhere. There used to be a bunch of to Illinois Tollway signs I remember they were all along US 34 at every Junction that had an interchange with the tollways. I assume there were many others.
Illinois has several signs a long way from the Interstate like one on US 34 over 20 miles away from I-74/

NE2

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 14, 2011, 08:58:11 PM
there is an I-40 trailblazer in Virginia on, I believe, US-220 south.  it is about 70 miles north of I-40.
That's because SR 40 intersects there.
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Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 14, 2011, 07:32:16 PM
 When was the last time you saw a trailblazer for an interstate six miles away from the freeway?  

Quote from: hbelkins on October 14, 2011, 07:41:18 PM
I've seen interstate trailblazers lots farther away than six miles in lots of places.

Ditto.
We used to have TO I84 Trailblazers on CT190 in Stafford Springs right near the town hall, and that's a good 7 miles from the exit 70 onramp to go west, or 9 miles from the exit 73 onramp to go East. And that's in a tiny congested state.  

They'd still be there if the TOWN didn't take them down.  The town actually removed those because they put up some aesthetic sign posts for main street, and the I84 shields wouldn't fit on their sign supports w limited positions for signing, only the CT190 and CT32 shields.  I'm not sure that the State approved of taking those away.
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NE2

Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 14, 2011, 07:32:16 PM
When was the last time you saw a trailblazer for an interstate six miles away from the freeway?
Try 40 miles. To be fair it's via a toll road, so the sign may have been posted by the Turnpike.
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SSOWorld

Maybe states should route their highways like Wisconsin, extending it along another route # for a couple miles before terminating it.
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Lightning Strike

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Quote from: Kacie Jane on October 14, 2011, 07:32:16 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 13, 2011, 07:09:48 AM
^^ They're trailblazers, no different than if it were a state route shield.

In theory, yes.  But in practice, I remember some odd things when I lived in New Jersey.  I think the key words in the OP are "in a manner that TO[state hwy] markers would never be posted."

Somewhere on the Alps Roads site is a picture of a Garden State Parkway shield with a banner that says "6 MILES" and an arrow.  When was the last time you saw a trailblazer for an interstate six miles away from the freeway?  While I wouldn't necessarily call it advertising that should be prohibited on DOT highways, I think there is a definite intent to get people on toll highways as much and as soon as possible.

NJ does it a lot actually for the Turnpike, AC Expressway and GSP. Many of the roads parallel these tollways so if your stuck in traffic in one city, just follow the trailblazers to the nearest entrance ramp. I think it was a way to advertise at one point and now has become a matter of "Hey I'm conveniently nearby!"

formulanone

#13
Some time in the mid-1990s, Florida's Turnpike signs were placed along exits on I-95 in which those surface streets also had Turnpike exits.

I thought this thread was going to be about actual "advertising"; FT's tollbooth stations have had visible  sponsorship from Geico and Lexus for a few years now.

Lightning Strike

Quote from: formulanone on October 15, 2011, 09:46:41 AM
Some time in the mid-1990s, Florida's Turnpike signs were placed along exits on I-95 in which those surface streets also had Turnpike exits.

I thought this thread was going to be about actual "advertising"; FT's tollbooth stations have had sponsorship from Geico and Lexus for a few years now.

Indiana's Tollway has Geico as well on their tollbooths

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Ian

The Pennsylvania Turnpike has some trailblazers that are fairly distant from the road. The farthest one that I can think of off the top of my head is one for 15 miles along US 322 in Campbelltown. I believe there are some even further.
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Brandon

Quote from: hobsini2 on October 16, 2011, 12:14:16 PM
These have been around Illinois for as long as i can remember.
http://www.routemarkers.com/usa/Illinois/Tollway.jpg


I've usually seen these posted within a mile or two of the tollway system.  However, there is an Indiana Toll Road one on Stony Island directing traffic to use the Skyway to get from there to the ITR and I-65/80/90/94.
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pianocello

As well as a Chicago Skyway sign at the I-80/90/94 junction in Lake Station, IN. (WB but not EB, for obvious reasons)
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SSOWorld

Much less BGSs on the Dan Ryan stating "90 East (Skyway) - to Indiana Toll Road"

Ok, which way is it to Hammond, IN?
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realjd

Quote from: formulanone on October 15, 2011, 09:46:41 AM
Some time in the mid-1990s, Florida's Turnpike signs were placed along exits on I-95 in which those surface streets also had Turnpike exits.

I thought this thread was going to be about actual "advertising"; FT's tollbooth stations have had visible  sponsorship from Geico and Lexus for a few years now.

Yet unsurprisingly they didn't put similar signs on the Turnpike advertising the switch to I-95 except at the farthest north SR70 interchange. Driving south, I prefer switching at Indiantown Road in Jupiter much better than SR70.

formulanone

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Quote from: realjd on October 16, 2011, 10:20:22 PM
Yet unsurprisingly they didn't put similar signs on the Turnpike advertising the switch to I-95 except at the farthest north SR70 interchange. Driving south, I prefer switching at Indiantown Road in Jupiter much better than SR70.

Depends if I'm hungry or need gas; SR 70 for a pit stop (expecting a stop light or two in between), but SR 706 if I'm in more of a hurry (just that one light at the toll booth). With the wife and kids, usually SR 70 wins that battle.

SR 714 is several miles away between I-95 and the Turnpike, I suppose no trucks are going to seriously use a two-lane road between the two to jump onto the Turnpike. Usually, any major intersection between a road that joins the Turnpike and another will feature some sort of Turnpike sign.

SidS1045

The toll-transponder system on the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Sumner and Ted Williams tunnels is called FastLane and is sponsored by Citizens Bank.  The bank's logo is on all the FastLane signs above the automated toll booths.  However, those signs are destined to be torn down, as Massachusetts stands to lose some federal-aid highway money unless they remove them...something about no commercial advertising along federal-aid-highway rights of way (except for service areas and restaurants).
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NE2

Quote from: SidS1045 on November 08, 2011, 02:24:25 PM
The toll-transponder system on the Massachusetts Turnpike and the Sumner and Ted Williams tunnels is called FastLane and is sponsored by Citizens Bank.  The bank's logo is on all the FastLane signs above the automated toll booths.  However, those signs are destined to be torn down, as Massachusetts stands to lose some federal-aid highway money unless they remove them...something about no commercial advertising along federal-aid-highway rights of way (except for service areas and restaurants).
I don't think the Masspike gets federal aid.
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