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Most lanes per direction with traffic lights that is continuous and speed limit

Started by ethanman62187, October 19, 2011, 04:00:06 PM

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ethanman62187

What is the most amount of lanes with a traffic light that you've even gone to?  What is the speed limit for that?
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froggie

I have to ask...why do you continue to ask these often inane questions when a little web research on your part would easily answer the question?

Granted, this one isn't quite as easily answered (though you've probably been on some of them as Northern Virginia is a likely spot for high-lane-count intersections), but many of your threads come off as either ignorant of the information already out there or you're just trying to make yourself seen.

1995hoo

I agree with froggie's points.

Also, I'm not sure I even understand what ethanman is asking because his subject line seems to disagree with his post's body text. The subject line says "Most lanes per direction with traffic lights that is continuous and speed limit." This is gibberish, but what I interpret it as meaning is that all the lanes are to continue across the intersection as thru lanes–that is, turn lanes do not count. Is that correct, ethanman? The reason I ask is that the body text asks something else entirely by asking for the maximum number of lanes you've seen at a traffic light, without reference to whether the lanes continue through. That's an entirely separate question. To cite an example of an intersection I pass through every day, Van Dorn Street at Franconia Road here in Fairfax County has nine lanes across on the north side of Franconia (six lanes southbound, three lanes northbound) and seven lanes across on the south side (two lanes southbound, five lanes northbound). For a suburban arterial, that's pretty wide. But if you only count "continuous lanes" it's an unremarkable five lanes in each direction because there are four turn lanes southbound (two left, two right) and two turn lanes northbound (one each right and left). The south side of the intersection with the Beltway ramp also has nine lanes total, three of which are turn lanes. (When they finished repaving the road last week, some drivers started trying to create their own imaginary tenth lane because the road was not immediately re-striped).

I'm not trying to suggest that either of these intersections is anything close to the most lanes per direction with traffic lights, mind you; I'm just using it as a convenient example of my point.

But I will try to give an answer to ethanman's question: While I've never been there, the most number of lanes I know of on a surface street is Avenida 9 de Julio in Buenos Aires, which I believe has seven lanes on each side (total 14), not counting frontage roads on either side that add a total of four more. The intersections have traffic lights AND pedestrian crossings (imagine how rough that must be if you get an elderly person using a walker or some such). I have no idea what the speed limit is.

Edited to add: Further reading suggests that the frontage roads in Buenos Aires add a total of EIGHT more lanes, not four, for a total of 22 lanes.
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agentsteel53

I think the pedestrian crossings on that road are split into multiple phases, with islands in the median and between each set of main lanes and their corresponding frontage roads.  So you have as many as four cycles to cross if you are elderly or otherwise in need of extra time.
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1995hoo

Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 19, 2011, 04:36:32 PM
I think the pedestrian crossings on that road are split into multiple phases, with islands in the median and between each set of main lanes and their corresponding frontage roads.  So you have as many as four cycles to cross if you are elderly or otherwise in need of extra time.

I believe that's right and I didn't mean to imply that you had to scramble across the whole thing at once, although re-reading it I see how I might have implied that. I meant that even seven lanes would be kind of rough for the elderly or the handicapped. A road of that sort would be ideal for what the Brits call a "public subway" (as I presume an overpass would be deemed unsightly).
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"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
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agentsteel53

hm, I have seen the elderly getting by quite well with the usual six- or eight-lane boulevards here in my neighborhood.  the pedestrian phases tend to be about 20-25 seconds.  so I think 7 is fairly reasonable - and the adventurous can try all 22.
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jwolfer

Quote from: froggie on October 19, 2011, 04:10:07 PM
I have to ask...why do you continue to ask these often inane questions when a little web research on your part would easily answer the question?

Granted, this one isn't quite as easily answered (though you've probably been on some of them as Northern Virginia is a likely spot for high-lane-count intersections), but many of your threads come off as either ignorant of the information already out there or you're just trying to make yourself seen.


Give the kid a break he is only 13. 

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1995hoo

Quote from: jwolfer on October 20, 2011, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 19, 2011, 04:10:07 PM
I have to ask...why do you continue to ask these often inane questions when a little web research on your part would easily answer the question?

Granted, this one isn't quite as easily answered (though you've probably been on some of them as Northern Virginia is a likely spot for high-lane-count intersections), but many of your threads come off as either ignorant of the information already out there or you're just trying to make yourself seen.


Give the kid a break he is only 13. 

When I was 13, I wrote coherently, and if I asked a stupid question my parents said so.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

J N Winkler

I have seen people getting progressively more frustrated with ethanman62187's posts, and while I certainly understand and sympathize with that point of view, I want to urge caution.  Discussing what the moderators should be doing in relation to user X in public, where user X can see it, rarely leads to a good result.  Moreover, it is generally better to be the person who encourages someone to do well rather than be the person who faults that person for doing badly.

I would suggest a Gedankenexperiment.  Suppose that you are a moderator with broad discretion to handle ethanman62187's case.  Suppose also that you have contacted him beforehand and he has expressed a willingness to change, but cannot quite understand what is wrong with his posts.  You do not wish to generate unnecessary ill feelings by banning him for good, or even kicking him off and telling him to rejoin when he has reached a certain age.  How do you explain in concrete terms how he can improve his posts?
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jwolfer

Quote from: 1995hoo on October 20, 2011, 04:48:55 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on October 20, 2011, 04:06:43 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 19, 2011, 04:10:07 PM
I have to ask...why do you continue to ask these often inane questions when a little web research on your part would easily answer the question?

Granted, this one isn't quite as easily answered (though you've probably been on some of them as Northern Virginia is a likely spot for high-lane-count intersections), but many of your threads come off as either ignorant of the information already out there or you're just trying to make yourself seen.


Give the kid a break he is only 13. 

When I was 13, I wrote coherently, and if I asked a stupid question my parents said so.

Good point.  I know if I had the internet at 13 I woulnt have to ask most of the questions he has posted

1995hoo

Quote from: J N Winkler on October 20, 2011, 05:01:50 PM
....

I would suggest a Gedankenexperiment.  Suppose that you are a moderator with broad discretion to handle ethanman62187's case.  Suppose also that you have contacted him beforehand and he has expressed a willingness to change, but cannot quite understand what is wrong with his posts.  You do not wish to generate unnecessary ill feelings by banning him for good, or even kicking him off and telling him to rejoin when he has reached a certain age.  How do you explain in concrete terms how he can improve his posts?

One of the moderators has given him a public admonition about such things.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.



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