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Southern Indiana
« on: January 01, 2012, 12:39:12 PM »

This a small item that I did not think needed its own thread, so I decided to start a general thread for the area.

This December 21 report probably terrified the Bloomington MPO: a new "Greenwood Interstate" that would connect I-74, I-65 and SR 37 (Future I-69).  There are plans for an east-west corridor connecting the three interstates, but it will not be interstate grade:
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-greenwood-interstate-indot-20111221,0,5344232.column

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The Indiana Department of Transportation has approved an interstate in Greenwood, which would link three interstates in Johnson County.
INDOT approved Greenwood’s third interstate exit at I-65 and Worthsville Road Tuesday night ...
The contract for the $20 million to $22 million project was signed Tuesday night and approved by the city’s redevelopment commission.
Mayor Henderson said he has been working on the deal with INDOT for eight years.  He said the City of Greenwood will pay $2 million for INDOT to hire the design firm for land acquisition. 
Henderson said the long-term plan is to widen the County Road at the interchange and make it a commercially viable east to west corridor, linking I-74 to I-65 to State Road 37, which is proposed to become I-69.   He said the corridor is estimated to cost $38 million.
The mayor estimates the new deal will generate up to $750 million in economic activity.
Construction is expected to begin in 2014 and completed in 2015 or 2016.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2012, 09:23:29 PM »

That looks like a poorly written article from Fox59. I think it is a new interchange on I-65, not a new interstate. A new corridor extending from I-74 to new I-69 will cost a heck of a lot more than $38M, IMO. It would be about 30 miles long with at least three interchanges so the $38M is probably the cost of the new interchange along with the immediate area road upgrade.

IndyStar article: Greenwood set to get another I-65 exit

Another article from 2009 that sort of sets the context was in the Indiana Business Journal: Suburban counties building outer loop to avoid Indianapolis. Presumably, this new interchange would be where Johnson County decided the outer loop will be on the south.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2012, 10:14:32 PM »

That looks like a poorly written article from Fox59.
Agreed.  :-D
A new corridor extending from I-74 to new I-69 will cost a heck of a lot more than $38M, IMO. It would be about 30 miles long with at least three interchanges so the $38M is probably the cost of the new interchange along with the immediate area road upgrade.
This article indicates that the cost of the interchange project is $20 million to $22 million. Even though I'm looking afar from Georgia, the $38 million estimate for the corridor seems like a low ball estimate.
http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?id=51374&ts=true
Presumably, this new interchange would be where Johnson County decided the outer loop will be on the south.
Interestingly, in the Greenwood mayor's audio link to the article I linked above, to my surprise he mentions that his east-west corridor is not part of the "outer belt".  A preemptive move in Greenwood's interest?  
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2012, 10:32:28 PM »

Interestingly, in the Greenwood mayor's audio link to the article I linked above, to my surprise he mentions that his east-west corridor is not part of the "outer belt".  A preemptive move in Greenwood's interest? 

Possibly, but then why say it will be part of a corridor that connects three interstates? That would span an area much bigger than Greenwood. CR 750N, the road that will get an interchange would need to jog south to Stones Crossing Rd. to make a single corridor between the Interstates.

The "outer belt" road on the north end is 146th St. That is 5 miles north of I-465 (north leg), and this new interchange would be 10 miles south of I-465 (south leg). It is hard to imagine the outer belt could be much further south, but who knows.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2012, 10:59:18 PM »

The Fox59 article talks about an interchange at "I-65 and Worthsville Road" which is CR 750N. The IBJ article talks about "interchange at county road 600 North and I-65". The latter is more in what I would consider New Whiteland. Ten miles south of I-465 is about half way between the two county roads. No matter, the reporting seems to be inconsistent.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2012, 08:03:39 PM »

Low budget Commerce Connector?
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2012, 06:27:34 PM »

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The City of Evansville and the Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) today announced plans to upgrade the U.S. 41 and Lloyd Expressway interchange to a full cloverleaf design...

This interchange was to be a parclo removing traffic lights from the Lloyd Expressway (SR 66 and SR 62). Currently it is a parclo with no signal lights on US 41, but now the plan is to create a full cloverleaf. On most freeways in Indiana, Cloverleafs are being removed. This new interchange would make the Lloyd Expressway essentially a freeway for over four miles.

Evansville, INDOT Move Forward on Key Project (Inside Indiana Business)
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2012, 09:11:24 PM »

So it was going to be a cloverleaf and then was going to be a parclo and now is back a cloverleaf. I wonder what changed their minds to make it full cloverleaf again?
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2012, 09:40:38 PM »

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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2012, 09:04:49 AM »

This a small item that I did not think needed its own thread, so I decided to start a general thread for the area.

This December 21 report probably terrified the Bloomington MPO: a new "Greenwood Interstate" that would connect I-74, I-65 and SR 37 (Future I-69).  There are plans for an east-west corridor connecting the three interstates, but it will not be interstate grade:
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-greenwood-interstate-indot-20111221,0,5344232.column

"The Indiana Department of Transportation has approved an interstate in Greenwood, which would link three interstates in Johnson County.
INDOT approved Greenwood’s third interstate exit at I-65 and Worthsville Road Tuesday night ...
The contract for the $20 million to $22 million project was signed Tuesday night and approved by the city’s redevelopment commission.
Mayor Henderson said he has been working on the deal with INDOT for eight years.  He said the City of Greenwood will pay $2 million for INDOT to hire the design firm for land acquisition. 
Henderson said the long-term plan is to widen the County Road at the interchange and make it a commercially viable east to west corridor, linking I-74 to I-65 to State Road 37, which is proposed to become I-69.   He said the corridor is estimated to cost $38 million.
The mayor estimates the new deal will generate up to $750 million in economic activity.
Construction is expected to begin in 2014 and completed in 2015 or 2016."

What about I-70? If it crosses three interstates, wouldn't the next interstate be I-70 and not I-74? More fail.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2012, 09:08:46 AM »

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The City of Evansville and the Indiana Department of Transportation (INDOT) today announced plans to upgrade the U.S. 41 and Lloyd Expressway interchange to a full cloverleaf design...

This interchange was to be a parclo removing traffic lights from the Lloyd Expressway (SR 66 and SR 62). Currently it is a parclo with no signal lights on US 41, but now the plan is to create a full cloverleaf. On most freeways in Indiana, Cloverleafs are being removed. This new interchange would make the Lloyd Expressway essentially a freeway for over four miles.

Evansville, INDOT Move Forward on Key Project (Inside Indiana Business)

A cloverleaf? With the ROW they are having to acquire for it, couldn't they have built flyover ramps for some of those movements instead?
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2012, 09:19:53 AM »

This a small item that I did not think needed its own thread, so I decided to start a general thread for the area.

This December 21 report probably terrified the Bloomington MPO: a new "Greenwood Interstate" that would connect I-74, I-65 and SR 37 (Future I-69).  There are plans for an east-west corridor connecting the three interstates, but it will not be interstate grade:
http://www.fox59.com/news/wxin-greenwood-interstate-indot-20111221,0,5344232.column

"The Indiana Department of Transportation has approved an interstate in Greenwood, which would link three interstates in Johnson County.
INDOT approved Greenwood’s third interstate exit at I-65 and Worthsville Road Tuesday night ...
The contract for the $20 million to $22 million project was signed Tuesday night and approved by the city’s redevelopment commission.
Mayor Henderson said he has been working on the deal with INDOT for eight years.  He said the City of Greenwood will pay $2 million for INDOT to hire the design firm for land acquisition. 
Henderson said the long-term plan is to widen the County Road at the interchange and make it a commercially viable east to west corridor, linking I-74 to I-65 to State Road 37, which is proposed to become I-69.   He said the corridor is estimated to cost $38 million.
The mayor estimates the new deal will generate up to $750 million in economic activity.
Construction is expected to begin in 2014 and completed in 2015 or 2016."

What about I-70? If it crosses three interstates, wouldn't the next interstate be I-70 and not I-74? More fail.

No, east of Indy I-74 is south of I-70, so the new road could connect I-74 to I-69 without crossing I-70.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2012, 09:20:43 AM »

^ Ah, I see. for some reason I figured it was going to start at I-65 and go west to I-74 or I-70. :-/
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2012, 09:25:37 AM »

^ Ah, I see. for some reason I figured it was going to start at I-65 and go west to I-74 or I-70. :-/

Hendricks county is building the Ronald Reagan Parkway that is connecting I-74 to I-70, though that road will not be an interstate.  If/when both projects are finished, there would not be too much of a gap left to connect the two.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2012, 03:18:06 PM »

Unfortunently, there isn't much mentioned about a connection between the two gaps, from roughly the intersection of SR 67 and Ameriplex Parkway (what Ronald Reagan Pkwy becomes in Indianapolis) and the spot where the East-West Corridor will hit SR 37. There isn't a planned route for the corridor as well as a location for a planned crossing over the White River. That is why the best Johnson County can hope for right now is the corridor stretching from SR 37 to I-65. SR 144 from SR 37 to Mooresville is likely the best option for bridging that gap right now, and it doesn't line up perfectly with the outer beltway concept anyway.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2013, 10:36:26 AM »

This past Sunday, I noticed that the IN 111 and IN 311 shields had been removed from the BGS on I-265 for the exits at Grant Line Rd and Charlestown Rd in New Albany.  I contacted INDOT-SE to ask them about this and they informed me that the entirety of IN 311 and all of IN 111 north of I-64 had been turned over to the New Albany, Floyd County, and Clark County highway departments as appropriate. 

So IN 311 no longer exists, and IN 111 only exists south of New Albany.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2013, 01:39:42 PM »

This past Sunday, I noticed that the IN 111 and IN 311 shields had been removed from the BGS on I-265 for the exits at Grant Line Rd and Charlestown Rd in New Albany.  I contacted INDOT-SE to ask them about this and they informed me that the entirety of IN 311 and all of IN 111 north of I-64 had been turned over to the New Albany, Floyd County, and Clark County highway departments as appropriate. 

So IN 311 no longer exists, and IN 111 only exists south of New Albany.

Thanks for the update, I amended the captions on both the I-64 and 265 guides in Indiana to reflect the eliminations.

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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2013, 04:48:47 PM »

Yes they did that about early 2011. Gave the said jurisdictions alot of money but long term ownership. Wish INDOT would six lane I-265 as it will awful full when the East End bridge comes on line. INDOT has upgraded a lot of the exits so six lanning wouldn't be too difficult in the long run.
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Re: Southern Indiana
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2013, 07:24:12 PM »

Yes they did that about early 2011. Gave the said jurisdictions alot of money but long term ownership. Wish INDOT would six lane I-265 as it will awful full when the East End bridge comes on line. INDOT has upgraded a lot of the exits so six lanning wouldn't be too difficult in the long run.

I honestly think the tolls will serve to reduce the amount of traffic many anticipate.
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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2013, 02:50:39 PM »

Yes they did that about early 2011. Gave the said jurisdictions alot of money but long term ownership. Wish INDOT would six lane I-265 as it will awful full when the East End bridge comes on line. INDOT has upgraded a lot of the exits so six lanning wouldn't be too difficult in the long run.

IN 111 south of I-265 was turned over to New Albany in 2011, but IN 111 and IN 311 north of I-265 were turned over to Floyd/Clark counties within the last month.
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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2013, 04:24:59 PM »

I personally stay of IN 111 towards the Horseshoe Casino. It's a road of death to me with all the drunks coming from the Horseshoe.
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2013, 10:01:50 PM »

IN 311 until about 1978 was US 31W until it was truncated south of the river at that time.
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2013, 03:50:09 PM »

Yes they did that about early 2011. Gave the said jurisdictions alot of money but long term ownership. Wish INDOT would six lane I-265 as it will awful full when the East End bridge comes on line. INDOT has upgraded a lot of the exits so six lanning wouldn't be too difficult in the long run.

I honestly think the tolls will serve to reduce the amount of traffic many anticipate.

Agree there... 20-30 years down the road it might be needed (as Utica's probably going to have pretty rapid growth), but I think the existing road should be fine for now.  SR 265 & the northern part of I-265 in Kentucky have pretty light traffic.  The toll will probably keep people from using I-265 as a bypass for I-64/I-65 except during rush hour.
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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2013, 06:09:02 PM »

Yes they did that about early 2011. Gave the said jurisdictions alot of money but long term ownership. Wish INDOT would six lane I-265 as it will awful full when the East End bridge comes on line. INDOT has upgraded a lot of the exits so six lanning wouldn't be too difficult in the long run.

IN 111 south of I-265 was turned over to New Albany in 2011, but IN 111 and IN 311 north of I-265 were turned over to Floyd/Clark counties within the last month.

Received a request for the use of one of our photos for a story on the turning back of SR 111 and 311:

http://www.whas.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=283307&article=10738826

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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2013, 06:50:30 PM »

Beat me to it...........
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