Illiana Corridor progress

[ET21]

Google IDOT and Illiana and pretty much take your pick.

That's not a direct link. So in short, no you can't find it

[Stratuscaster]

What kind of studies are showing that the Hypotenuse Expressway would resolve "five or six" major bottlenecks?

It might reduce some traffic issues, but I do not believe it would resolve any of them.

As one that used to live in Champaign and that traveled I-72, it works very well for it's intent and purpose. Not every Interstate is - or should be - jam packed with traffic.

Why would the railroads be up for financing ANY part of this? What do they get out of the deal?

[dzlsabe]

There are NO Hypotenuse studies that Im aware of. Thats the point. There may be some Crosstown studies that are relevant for the southern portion.

I-72 is the poster child for NOT traveled.

What do RRs get? Two? new grade separated thru rail lines from CN on the west to NS on the east for use by them all. A possible additional source for CREATE funding.

Its simple. The population of IDOT D1 (last #s I could find) without Will County is 7,684,000. Will is 632K. IDOT D3 is 614K. If you want Illiana or Peotone to move forward, get Will into D3. Then youll have access to a whole different bucket of funds and be able to move these turkeys forward (or not). Then D1 will be able to focus on the dozens and dozens of more worthy projects that are needed where the overwhelming majority of people live, instead of sponging precious funds and time on these two very rural distractions that affect very few people.

[Revive 755]

I-72 is the poster child for NOT traveled.

An ADT of 14,000 is not traveled?

Its simple. The population of IDOT D1 (last #s I could find) without Will County is 7,684,000. Will is 632K. IDOT D3 is 614K.

So?  Per Google, Kane County's population is only 523,643.  McHenry County only has 301,409.  Why is Will County more worthy of being sent to another IDOT district than those counties?

Then D1 will be able to focus on the dozens and dozens of more worthy projects that are needed where the overwhelming majority of people live, instead of sponging precious funds and time on these two very rural distractions that affect very few people.

Let's take this one step farther and stop funding the roads the roads in the "rural distractions" that bring goods into Chicago, and see how well Chicago does then.

[dzlsabe]

I-72 is the poster child for NOT traveled.

An ADT of 14,000 is not traveled?

Its simple. The population of IDOT D1 (last #s I could find) without Will County is 7,684,000. Will is 632K. IDOT D3 is 614K.

So?  Per Google, Kane County's population is only 523,643.  McHenry County only has 301,409.  Why is Will County more worthy of being sent to another IDOT district than those counties?

Then D1 will be able to focus on the dozens and dozens of more worthy projects that are needed where the overwhelming majority of people live, instead of sponging precious funds and time on these two very rural distractions that affect very few people.

Let's take this one step farther and stop funding the roads the roads in the "rural distractions" that bring goods into Chicago, and see how well Chicago does then.

So thats 15 -30 VPM on the worst hours ever. Thats barely traveled. You could land and fly a plane on I-72 at night.

Kane Co has I-90 going thru it. Mchenry has the straightest rail Ive seen going all the way to Janesville, Madison and beyond. METRA could do well with a few trains a day going to and fro Ohare.

Will in D3 would double its scope (what do those people do all day?) If Willco wasnt defunding D1s funds what would we do? Have a party?

[Brandon]

I-72 is the poster child for NOT traveled.

An ADT of 14,000 is not traveled?

Its simple. The population of IDOT D1 (last #s I could find) without Will County is 7,684,000. Will is 632K. IDOT D3 is 614K.

So?  Per Google, Kane County's population is only 523,643.  McHenry County only has 301,409.  Why is Will County more worthy of being sent to another IDOT district than those counties?

Then D1 will be able to focus on the dozens and dozens of more worthy projects that are needed where the overwhelming majority of people live, instead of sponging precious funds and time on these two very rural distractions that affect very few people.

Let's take this one step farther and stop funding the roads the roads in the "rural distractions" that bring goods into Chicago, and see how well Chicago does then.

He's a myopic twit.

Will County can live without Chicago,  Chicago cannot live without Will County.

We produce their electricity: Dresden and Braidwood nuclear power plants are here.  There are none in Cook County.

We produce their fuel.  Both ExxonMobil and Citgo are here.  The other is in Lake County, Indiana.  Cook County has no refining capacity.

We connect them to the Mississippi River.

We also have the two largest intermodal yards in the region.

Yet, we get ignored by D1 and told we should be in D3.

[Henry]

What the hell is the Hypotenuse Expressway, and could someone draw a map of where it would go? I never heard of such a proposal before.

[dcharlie]

What the hell is the Hypotenuse Expressway, and could someone draw a map of where it would go? I never heard of such a proposal before.

I think that is here:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10605.25  .  Probably should be in fictional...

[The Ghostbuster]

Will there ever be an expressway in the Illiana Corridor? Or will it only be built in Fictional Highways?

[Brandon]

Will there ever be an expressway in the Illiana Corridor? Or will it only be built in Fictional Highways?

Depends.  If Rahm Emmanuel has his way, no.  (That's the only reason CMAP rejected it - filled with Rahm's lackeys.)  If Will County has its way, yes.  And yes, I have picked sides (see my location as to why).

[ET21]

I-72 is the poster child for NOT traveled.

An ADT of 14,000 is not traveled?

Its simple. The population of IDOT D1 (last #s I could find) without Will County is 7,684,000. Will is 632K. IDOT D3 is 614K.

So?  Per Google, Kane County's population is only 523,643.  McHenry County only has 301,409.  Why is Will County more worthy of being sent to another IDOT district than those counties?

Then D1 will be able to focus on the dozens and dozens of more worthy projects that are needed where the overwhelming majority of people live, instead of sponging precious funds and time on these two very rural distractions that affect very few people.

Let's take this one step farther and stop funding the roads the roads in the "rural distractions" that bring goods into Chicago, and see how well Chicago does then.

So thats 15 -30 VPM on the worst hours ever. Thats barely traveled. You could land and fly a plane on I-72 at night.

You could say that to any rural interstate in Illinois except I-55 and I-90...

[Revive 755]

Kane Co has I-90 going thru it. Mchenry has the straightest rail Ive seen going all the way to Janesville, Madison and beyond.

Using that logic, Will County should remain part of D1 since it has I-80 (major crossing country intestate and I-55 (major trucking corridor between Los Angeles and Chicagoland), both of which have much higher truck counts than I-90.  Additionally, Will County contains the BNSF transcon line, much more important the UP line through McHenry County (which doesn't even make it onto maps of major rail lines and only sees three freights per day per the ICC).

Will there ever be an expressway in the Illiana Corridor? Or will it only be built in Fictional Highways?

Depending what the county does, you could see an expressway as defined by downstate standards - four lanes divided with at grade access allowed, maybe a traffic signal or two at the some of the major cross roads.

[Brandon]

I-72 is the poster child for NOT traveled.

An ADT of 14,000 is not traveled?

Its simple. The population of IDOT D1 (last #s I could find) without Will County is 7,684,000. Will is 632K. IDOT D3 is 614K.

So?  Per Google, Kane County's population is only 523,643.  McHenry County only has 301,409.  Why is Will County more worthy of being sent to another IDOT district than those counties?

Then D1 will be able to focus on the dozens and dozens of more worthy projects that are needed where the overwhelming majority of people live, instead of sponging precious funds and time on these two very rural distractions that affect very few people.

Let's take this one step farther and stop funding the roads the roads in the "rural distractions" that bring goods into Chicago, and see how well Chicago does then.

So thats 15 -30 VPM on the worst hours ever. Thats barely traveled. You could land and fly a plane on I-72 at night.

You could say that to any rural interstate in Illinois except I-55 and I-90...

I dare you to do it on I-80 as well, LOL! 

[dzlsabe]

Will there ever be an expressway in the Illiana Corridor? Or will it only be built in Fictional Highways?

Depends.  If Rahm Emmanuel has his way, no.  (That's the only reason CMAP rejected it - filled with Rahm's lackeys.)  If Will County has its way, yes.  And yes, I have picked sides (see my location as to why).

Theres loads of reasons it was rejected. Start with low traffic count and NO tollway funders (who basically like EVERY tollway project ever, but not this ONE). Then theres putting every other project in D1 on hold to finance(and the huge possibility of holding the bag forever) this downstate turkey.

Get Willco into D3 and there may be an icebergs chance in hell. As long as theyre in D1...NO WAY!

[Brandon]

Will there ever be an expressway in the Illiana Corridor? Or will it only be built in Fictional Highways?

Depends.  If Rahm Emmanuel has his way, no.  (That's the only reason CMAP rejected it - filled with Rahm's lackeys.)  If Will County has its way, yes.  And yes, I have picked sides (see my location as to why).

Theres loads of reasons it was rejected. Start with low traffic count and NO tollway funders (who basically like EVERY tollway project ever, but not this ONE). Then theres putting every other project in D1 on hold to finance(and huge possibility of holding the bag forever) this downstate turkey.

Get Willco into D3 and there may be an icebergs chance in hell. As long as theyre in D3...NO WAY!

Um, we're not downstate, dipwad.  The ONLY reason it got rejected by CMAP was that Rahm's people were on the board.  Read the actual stories about it instead of holing up in Crook County.

[Henry]

What the hell is the Hypotenuse Expressway, and could someone draw a map of where it would go? I never heard of such a proposal before.

I just saw that, and that has to be the craziest thing I've ever heard of!



I think that is here:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10605.25  .  Probably should be in fictional...

[ET21]

I-72 is the poster child for NOT traveled.

An ADT of 14,000 is not traveled?

Its simple. The population of IDOT D1 (last #s I could find) without Will County is 7,684,000. Will is 632K. IDOT D3 is 614K.

So?  Per Google, Kane County's population is only 523,643.  McHenry County only has 301,409.  Why is Will County more worthy of being sent to another IDOT district than those counties?

Then D1 will be able to focus on the dozens and dozens of more worthy projects that are needed where the overwhelming majority of people live, instead of sponging precious funds and time on these two very rural distractions that affect very few people.

Let's take this one step farther and stop funding the roads the roads in the "rural distractions" that bring goods into Chicago, and see how well Chicago does then.

So thats 15 -30 VPM on the worst hours ever. Thats barely traveled. You could land and fly a plane on I-72 at night.

You could say that to any rural interstate in Illinois except I-55 and I-90...

I dare you to do it on I-80 as well, LOL! 

No see you try and land on the moving trucks. Bonus points if it's auto-carriers or wide loads 

[The Ghostbuster]

If the Illiana Corridor is constructed, will it have a highway designation added? Or will it just be signed as Illiana Expressway?

[Brandon]

If the Illiana Corridor is constructed, will it have a highway designation added? Or will it just be signed as Illiana Expressway?

No idea as of yet, but it could be either I- or IL/IN- x55/x57/x65, judging from past such roads: IL-394, IL-390, IN-469 (prior to becoming an interstate).

[silverback1065]

i always thought it would be X55

[johndoe780]

What the hell is the Hypotenuse Expressway, and could someone draw a map of where it would go? I never heard of such a proposal before.

I just saw that, and that has to be the craziest thing I've ever heard of!



I think that is here:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10605.25  .  Probably should be in fictional...

This is such a stupid "hypothetical" highway.

If you're going west on 90 to get to 294, why not just take 80 to 294 north to begin with? Most commuters are going towards the direction of downtown in the first place and the only people who would be heading in that direction (this hypothetical highway) would be travellers or trucks.

[Joe The Dragon]

If the Illiana Corridor is constructed, will it have a highway designation added? Or will it just be signed as Illiana Expressway?

No idea as of yet, but it could be either I- or IL/IN- x55/x57/x65, judging from past such roads: IL-394, IL-390, IN-469 (prior to becoming an interstate).

More like TOLL IL/IN- x55/x57/x65 and the local news / bill broads will call it I-x55/x57/x65

[Stratuscaster]

Extend it back to I-80 on each end and it could easily be an I-x80.

[dzlsabe]

What the hell is the Hypotenuse Expressway, and could someone draw a map of where it would go? I never heard of such a proposal before.

I just saw that, and that has to be the craziest thing I've ever heard of!



I think that is here:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10605.25  .  Probably should be in fictional...

This is such a stupid "hypothetical" highway.

If you're going west on 90 to get to 294, why not just take 80 to 294 north to begin with? Most commuters are going towards the direction of downtown in the first place and the only people who would be heading in that direction (this hypothetical highway) would be travellers or trucks.

Stupid, crazy? Most commuters going downtown? Ah,NO? "The only people that would use it are travelers and trucks" (and trains trying to get thru Chicago in an hour). Yeah? That would be horrible? Heres the MAP  http://imgur.com/u9L0fFx Got one word for you. HYPOTENUSE (now in Fictional). Pythagoras rolls in his grave. We deny Euclidian geometry at our misery and peril.



Illiana would be I-480. Good luck wit dat.

[CtrlAltDel]

Sorry about the map. It was modified by someone that was comprehensionally-challenged.

Ouch, dude. Ouch.