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Started by nds76, February 19, 2012, 01:52:03 PM

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myosh_tino

Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 19, 2012, 06:57:13 PM
All of the tolled routes in Southern California are state routes (i.e., , ).  In Northern California, all of the bridges are tolled in one direction, and many include / (Golden Gate), (Hayward-San Mateo), (Dumbarton), (Antioch), and (Rio Vista Ferry).

Like in Washington, I believe California is implementing HOT lanes.  They already exist on and , but I think they're planning on installing them on .
The 237-880 HOV ramp will become a HOT lane in March.  There are also plans to convert HOV lanes on US 101, CA-87 and CA-237 to HOT lanes in the near future.
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cpzilliacus

Maryland's Route 200 (InterCounty Connector) is a toll road.

For many years, the Baltimore Harbor Tunnel Thruway (I-895 now) did not have a route number posted at all.  The I-895 signs went up in the late 1970's or early 1980's.

Before the Fort McHenry Tunnel  was completed in 1985, the road was also posted as "To I-95."
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roadman65

The Everett and Spaulding Turnpikes in NH.
Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Oklahoma has plenty of them.  Part of the Berkshire Thruway in NY is not interstate.

Then speaking of Florida you have two toll roads that are arterials and not even freeway.   The Osceola Parkway and Goldenrod Road in the Orlando area have tolls on them with at grade intersections.
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hobsini2

Quote from: Stephane Dumas on February 19, 2012, 04:04:44 PM
Wasn't some of the Illinois toll roads referred once as "Toll US-41" or "Toll US-20" in some road maps in the late 1950s-early 1960s?

In Canada, currently we got Hwy-407 around Toronto with its electronic toll system. Some of the Quebec autoroutes like A-10, A-15/Laurentian autoroute, A-13 and A-40 was former toll roads. Then the Confederation bridge is a tolled gap of a spur of the Trans-Canada highway linking New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island.
According to Rich Carlson's website, http://www.n9jig.com/
Toll Bus US 12 was on the Chicago Skyway, Toll US 30 was on the East-West Tollway (now I-88 Reagan Tollway) and Toll US 41 was on the Tri-State Tollway.
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3467

http://www.120now.com/sub/feasibility_study.html

How about a non-freeway toll road. This bypass route would be an expressway and would be the termination point of the IL 53 tollway which would be full acess control but not to interstate standards...More discusssion on that on in the Midwest.

Alps

Quote from: 3467 on February 20, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
http://www.120now.com/sub/feasibility_study.html

How about a non-freeway toll road. This bypass route would be an expressway and would be the termination point of the IL 53 tollway which would be full acess control but not to interstate standards...More discusssion on that on in the Midwest.
You have that in Florida, actually - John Young Pkwy./FL 423. Requires frequent barriers.

cpzilliacus

Quote from: roadman65 on February 20, 2012, 05:23:03 PM
Then speaking of Florida you have two toll roads that are arterials and not even freeway.   The Osceola Parkway and Goldenrod Road in the Orlando area have tolls on them with at grade intersections.

I seem to recall that the Alligator Alley in Florida (before it was signed as I-75) was essentially a two-lane arterial with a few intersections at-grade between Naples and U.S. 27.
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NE2

Quote from: Steve on February 20, 2012, 10:20:20 PM
Quote from: 3467 on February 20, 2012, 08:57:08 PM
http://www.120now.com/sub/feasibility_study.html

How about a non-freeway toll road. This bypass route would be an expressway and would be the termination point of the IL 53 tollway which would be full acess control but not to interstate standards...More discusssion on that on in the Midwest.
You have that in Florida, actually - John Young Pkwy./FL 423. Requires frequent barriers.
You're probably thinking of either the Osceola Parkway (CR 522) or the Goldenrod Road Extension. Each has a single barrer, and the former also has a few ramp tolls. The Osceola Parkway is more of a long bridge over the Shingle Creek swamp, with the remainder free, while Goldenrod is simply a shortcut across an undeveloped area. (Incidentally, both allow bikes for free; Goldenrod even has bypass lanes around the toll booth.)

More generally, non-freeway toll roads are usually toll bridges where the tolls also finance a free surface road extension (much like I-95 in northeastern Maryland). Others include the Adams Avenue Parkway in Utah and the Foley Beach Express in Alabama.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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PAHighways

Quote from: hbelkins on February 19, 2012, 04:07:24 PMIn Pennsylvania, there's Toll PA 43 and Toll PA 66. Portions of PA 60 were toll before it was changed to I-376.

Those were referred to as "PA Toll ##" years ago, but were converted to "PA Turnpike ##" because "toll" has a negative connotation to the traveler, as was told to me for the change by a PTC employee. Ironically, PA Toll 60 was the last to be converted only one year before it being replaced by I-376.

One more state toll road:  PA Turnpike 576 a.k.a. the Southern Beltway.

bassoon1986

Quote from: Zmapper on February 19, 2012, 03:47:20 PM
The Addison Airport Toll Tunnel in North Texas has the distinction of not being on a numbered highway or a bridge. Instead, it is a road tunnel to save people from driving around an airport.

Haven't been through that yet. Other ones in this area are
- the new Lewisville Lake Toll Bridge connecting Corinth/Lake Dallas and Little Elm
- Toll Bridge over Mountain Creek Lake in South Dallas/Grand Prairie
- International Parkway thru DFW airport

The Mountain Creek Lake bridge is designated Spur 303 and the Int'l Pkwy is Spur 97. The Lewisville Lake bridge has no number but it does have a NTTA sign for it when you exit I-35E


DTComposer

Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 19, 2012, 06:57:13 PM
In Northern California, all of the bridges are tolled in one direction, and many include / (Golden Gate),

Just to be totally specific, the Golden Gate Bridge is not part of the California State Highway System (i.e., U.S. 101 ends at the Doyle Drive approach to the bridge and re-starts at the Marin County coast). It is owned and maintained by its own special district.

This may beg the question about tolled routes that are not in any highway system (Interstate, U.S., or State)...

NE2

The following non-freeway toll roads (as opposed to toll bridges/tunnels, and not counting park entrance fees and scenic roads) exist in the U.S.:
*Adams Avenue Parkway
*Alabama River Parkway
*Black Warrior Parkway
*Camino Colombia Toll Road
*Emerald Mountain Expressway
*Foley Beach Express
*Goldenrod Road Extension
*Moseywood Road
*Osceola Parkway
*Pinellas Bayway

All of these except Camino Colombia, Goldenrod, and Moseywood include a reasonable-length bridge along the way.

Quote from: bassoon1986 on February 21, 2012, 12:21:43 AM
The Mountain Creek Lake bridge is designated Spur 303 and the Int'l Pkwy is Spur 97.
No and no. Both of these designations (the latter unsigned?) end before tolls begin.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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empirestate

Quote from: DTComposer on February 21, 2012, 01:51:54 AM
Just to be totally specific, the Golden Gate Bridge is not part of the California State Highway System (i.e., U.S. 101 ends at the Doyle Drive approach to the bridge and re-starts at the Marin County coast). It is owned and maintained by its own special district.

It may not be in the state highway system (major toll bridges are seldom under DOT jurisdiction) but it doesn't follow that it's not US 101. A US highway designation is applied by AASHTO, not a single state DOT, so it can follow various kinds of jurisdictions. Why, just down the hill from me there's a US highway running along a city street, and not far away it joins one (and a half) of its pals and crosses a major toll bridge.

Quote from: DTComposer on February 21, 2012, 01:51:54 AM
This may beg the question about tolled routes that are not in any highway system (Interstate, U.S., or State)...

Depends how we define a highway system. That one part of the Berkshire Thruway isn't in the Interstate or US highway systems, nor the posted state system, but it is in the un-posted state reference route system (SR 912M). However, assigning it that number is the extent of the state DOT's jurisdiction over it.

cpzilliacus

Quote from: DTComposer on February 21, 2012, 01:51:54 AM
Quote from: KEK Inc. on February 19, 2012, 06:57:13 PM
In Northern California, all of the bridges are tolled in one direction, and many include / (Golden Gate),

Just to be totally specific, the Golden Gate Bridge is not part of the California State Highway System (i.e., U.S. 101 ends at the Doyle Drive approach to the bridge and re-starts at the Marin County coast). It is owned and maintained by its own special district.

This may beg the question about tolled routes that are not in any highway system (Interstate, U.S., or State)...

Like the Golden Gate Bridge, Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel (U.S. 13) between Virginia Beach and the Eastern Shore of Virginia has its "own" district, it is not maintained by VDOT or any local government.

I presume that it is part of the National Highway System (it is shown on the NHS map by FHWA as a Non-Interstate STRAHNET Route) and the Commonwealth's primary highway network (it does have an entry in the 2010 AVERAGE DAILY TRAFFIC VOLUMES with VEHICLE CLASSIFICATION DATA on INTERSTATE, ARTERIAL and PRIMARY ROUTES) (large (!) file, Adobe .pdf).
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Alps

Quote from: NE2 on February 21, 2012, 01:53:14 AM
The following non-freeway toll roads (as opposed to toll bridges/tunnels, and not counting park entrance fees and scenic roads) exist in the U.S.:
*Adams Avenue Parkway
*Alabama River Parkway
*Black Warrior Parkway
*Camino Colombia Toll Road
*Emerald Mountain Expressway
*Foley Beach Express
*Goldenrod Road Extension
*Moseywood Road
*Osceola Parkway
*Pinellas Bayway

All of these except Camino Colombia, Goldenrod, and Moseywood include a reasonable-length bridge along the way.
Isn't there a toll on the road to Monterey, CA?

brownpelican

Louisiana has the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway, the new LA 1 bridge and the Westbank-to-Eastbank span of the Crescent City Connection. There is also a private toll road to Avery Island, where Tabasco Sauce is made.

TheStranger

Quote from: Steve on February 21, 2012, 11:37:33 PM
Isn't there a toll on the road to Monterey, CA?

That would be the 17-Mile Drive which is a scenic loop road near Pebble Beach.  Nothing else there is toll...
Chris Sampang

NE2

The 17-Mile Drive is a scenic road, so I didn't include it. It's really a gated community where non-residents are charged to enter any of several gates; it's just that the 17-Mile Drive is the most popular way to drive through. The Moseywood Road in Pennsylvania is similar but is used for cut-through, not scenic, purposes.
pre-1945 Florida route log

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Darkchylde

Quote from: brownpelican on February 22, 2012, 12:43:22 AM
Louisiana has the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway, the new LA 1 bridge and the Westbank-to-Eastbank span of the Crescent City Connection. There is also a private toll road to Avery Island, where Tabasco Sauce is made.
The CCC's technically part of an Interstate, though not signed in the field.

kphoger

Texas State Highway 255 was built as a private toll road, then went bankrupt and was sold to the state of Texas at auction on the courthouse steps.

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thenetwork

Is the shoreline along Daytona Beach still open to vehicles?  Last time I was there (1990), you could still drive on the beach, but you had to pay some sort of fee (toll?) to drive on it.  Daytona Beach would be about as close as you could get for a "polar opposite" of a tolled interstate.

Kacie Jane

Quote from: thenetwork on February 22, 2012, 07:12:11 PM
Is the shoreline along Daytona Beach still open to vehicles?  Last time I was there (1990), you could still drive on the beach, but you had to pay some sort of fee (toll?) to drive on it.  Daytona Beach would be about as close as you could get for a "polar opposite" of a tolled interstate.

Don't know anything about the status of it, but if it were still open to vehicles, I'd consider that more like a paid parking lot than a toll road.

NE2

Quote from: Kacie Jane on February 23, 2012, 12:34:55 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on February 22, 2012, 07:12:11 PM
Is the shoreline along Daytona Beach still open to vehicles?  Last time I was there (1990), you could still drive on the beach, but you had to pay some sort of fee (toll?) to drive on it.  Daytona Beach would be about as close as you could get for a "polar opposite" of a tolled interstate.

Don't know anything about the status of it, but if it were still open to vehicles, I'd consider that more like a paid parking lot than a toll road.

It's generally used for "crusing". More of a scenic drive, I guess.
http://volusia.org/beach/beach2.htm
pre-1945 Florida route log

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Mark68

The aforementioned E-470, along with the Northwest Parkway in the Denver area (both have their own toll authority).

Also the Dallas North Tollway...not a state highway as far as I know (used to live on the frontage road).
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