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TheHighwayMan3561

#2000
June 04, 2025, 05:13:36 PM  
15 years ago they probably could have gotten this done without much fuss. But more recent city administrations as noted have been much colder to the idea.

kphoger

#2001
June 04, 2025, 05:53:51 PM  
Whenever I've been in the area, I've intentionally avoided 252 because it's not controlled-access, even though it would have otherwise been a perfect part of my route.  In fact, I think I've only ever been on it once.
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texaskdog

#2003
June 09, 2025, 10:36:22 PM  
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on June 04, 2025, 12:44:00 PMDoes anyone know how much support or opposition the locals have for a proposed upgrade of MN 252 to freeway standards? If you ask me, maybe it should have been built as a freeway to begin with.

no idea why it wasn't built as a freeway.  I lived in Brooklyn Park at the time.

on_wisconsin

#2004
June 11, 2025, 11:24:56 AM  
"Speed does not kill, suddenly becoming stationary... that's what gets you" - Jeremy Clarkson

The Ghostbuster

#2005
June 11, 2025, 05:57:38 PM  
Plenty of photos have been uploaded to Google Maps of the Jackson Street Roundhouse and Minnesota Transportation Museum (click the Street View button to see them).

discochris

#2006
June 24, 2025, 12:57:43 AM  
Quote from: kphoger on June 04, 2025, 05:53:51 PMWhenever I've been in the area, I've intentionally avoided 252 because it's not controlled-access, even though it would have otherwise been a perfect part of my route.  In fact, I think I've only ever been on it once.

It's pretty useful as a connector if you're heading to 35W north from downtown or the west metro to Duluth during peak cabin season. 694 to 252 to 610 to 35 avoids some nasty traffic on 694 eastbound to 35W. And if 252 is backed up at all, you can bypass via Brookdale Dr. to W. River Rd to 85th and get back on 252 just before 610.

TheHighwayMan3561

#2007
July 20, 2025, 06:57:24 PM  
I noticed yesterday that MnDOT appears to be installing ramp meters on the on-ramp from TH 48 to northbound I-35 in Hinckley. They are not yet active and look like they will be permanent features rather than temporary installs related to the ongoing construction in the area. I believe they would be the first permanent meters outside MSP.

froggie

#2008
July 20, 2025, 11:46:26 PM  
^ Would like to see a pic of that...

Molandfreak

#2009
July 21, 2025, 05:44:51 PM  
The final design for the TH 210/TH 371 improvement project will be a buttonhook interchange. Kudos on the sensible decision to keep 371 as the thru movement.

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TheHighwayMan3561

#2010
July 21, 2025, 08:11:05 PM  
Quote from: Molandfreak on July 21, 2025, 05:44:51 PMThe final design for the TH 210/TH 371 improvement project will be a buttonhook interchange. Kudos on the sensible decision to keep 371 as the thru movement.

And grade separation at Excelsior Road! Awesome. I know that had been a sticky point with Baxter.

TheHighwayMan3561

#2011
July 27, 2025, 03:22:31 PM   Last Edit: July 27, 2025, 03:27:49 PM by TheHighwayMan3561

The Ghostbuster

#2012
July 27, 2025, 06:14:43 PM  
I am surprised that ramp meters were added to on-ramps in a small town like Hinckley. I believe they are usually installed along freeways in major metropolitan areas (the Milwaukee Metropolitan Area here in Wisconsin being a case-in-point).

TheHighwayMan3561

#2013
July 27, 2025, 06:57:56 PM  
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 27, 2025, 06:14:43 PMI am surprised that ramp meters were added to on-ramps in a small town like Hinckley. I believe they are usually installed along freeways in major metropolitan areas (the Milwaukee Metropolitan Area here in Wisconsin being a case-in-point).

It's the primary halfway stop for people driving between Duluth and MSP, and for its own merits has a major casino, so it does get congested. But I would have expected the meters would go on the southbound ramp (and maybe those are coming later; that ramp is currently closed).

Rothman

#2014
July 27, 2025, 08:22:02 PM  
Tobie's has been a multigenerational institution for drives between Duluth and the Twin Cities.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

froggie

#2015
July 28, 2025, 12:39:36 AM  
Quote from: Rothman on July 27, 2025, 08:22:02 PMTobie's has been a multigenerational institution for drives between Duluth and the Twin Cities.

I can remember a time when Tobie's was the only thing besides the town off that interchange.  No casino...no commercial development...no traffic signals.

Molandfreak

#2016
July 29, 2025, 07:24:51 PM  
Some interesting things in Hastings:

Signage for construction on TH 316 universally refers to US 61 as TH 61.

The decaying Hiawatha Pioneer Trail marker at the junction of TH 95 and US 61/10 appears to have been replaced. Yes, you read that correctly. A decaying remnant of a tourist route nobody has cared about in 50 years was replicated and replaced in the 2020s.

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TheCatalyst31

#2017
Today at 12:23:22 AM  
Quote from: Molandfreak on July 29, 2025, 07:24:51 PMThe decaying Hiawatha Pioneer Trail marker at the junction of TH 95 and US 61/10 appears to have been replaced. Yes, you read that correctly. A decaying remnant of a tourist route nobody has cared about in 50 years was replicated and replaced in the 2020s.
I looked up the history out of curiosity, and according to the Decorah News, Minnesota was supposed to remove their signs in 2008. (Iowa removed them around the same time; Illinois and Wisconsin gave up on the route much earlier.) I can see a few signs slipping through the cracks, but I'm baffled that one actually got replaced.

froggie

#2018
Today at 08:01:17 AM  
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/161.14

(See Subdivision 12)

Long story short, it's in state statutes as a named/memorial highway.  This is why the state continues to sign it.

kphoger

#2019
Today at 09:28:40 AM  
Quote from: Molandfreak on July 29, 2025, 07:24:51 PMSignage for construction on TH 316 universally refers to US 61 as TH 61.

That's not some weird California-type thing, is it, where they're both officially considered "TH 61"?
He Is Already Here! Let's Go, Flamingo!
Dost thou understand the graveness of the circumstances?
Deut 23:13
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: PKDIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

TheHighwayMan3561

#2020
Today at 12:02:51 PM   Last Edit: Today at 12:13:44 PM by TheHighwayMan3561
Quote from: kphoger on Today at 09:28:40 AM
Quote from: Molandfreak on July 29, 2025, 07:24:51 PMSignage for construction on TH 316 universally refers to US 61 as TH 61.

That's not some weird California-type thing, is it, where they're both officially considered "TH 61"?

It is, in fact, the grand paradox - US 61 is TH 61 and is also not TH 61.

Every state-maintained route regardless of field signage is officially TH X - so TH 35 and TH 94 are real too.
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