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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2075 on: April 10, 2018, 03:35:06 PM »

The sooner that interchange is reconstructed the better. I hope we don't have to wait another 10 to 15 years for it to happen.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2076 on: April 11, 2018, 09:40:39 AM »

The Beltline Interchange isn't terrible.  It would be nice to modernize with smoother ramps and no left exits on the interstate.  But it's functional.  The left exit EB is acceptable, maybe even preferred, given that more volume heads north than continues east.  It would be great if it were higher a speed ramp.
The worst tie-ups seem to come from all the weaving on the WB Beltline between there and Stoughton Rd.
And it's getting bumpy.  I think that concrete is pushing 30 years old.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2077 on: April 11, 2018, 10:44:11 AM »

The Beltline Interchange isn't terrible.  It would be nice to modernize with smoother ramps and no left exits on the interstate.  But it's functional.  The left exit EB is acceptable, maybe even preferred, given that more volume heads north than continues east.  It would be great if it were higher a speed ramp.
The worst tie-ups seem to come from all the weaving on the WB Beltline between there and Stoughton Rd.
And it's getting bumpy.  I think that concrete is pushing 30 years old.


I agree, except the cloverleaf ramps that merge WB US-12/18 to SB I-39/90 traffic with the SB I-39/90 to EB US-12/18 traffic can get a bit hairy.  Those are the two directions that likely get the least volume, but I think it has grown substantially over the past 30 years. 
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2078 on: April 11, 2018, 12:33:08 PM »

For sure need a c/d lane for those loops if they end up keeping both of them.  A SB->EB turbine ramp was included in many of the options I've seen from WisDOT.  But in reality, I doubt that's really needed.  Changing that ramp just improves the options to get better geometry from the other ramps.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2079 on: April 12, 2018, 10:20:34 PM »

Are Wisconsin's state highway markers getting boxier?  Compare the top photo to the bottom photo.  In the top photo, the triangle is less apparent, as in less of it protrudes from the square housing the route number.  You can barely discern the (presumably cheese) triangle from the rest of the shape, which makes me feel like the symbol is losing less of its unique character.  Please tell me there isn't a trend towards seeing even LESS of the triangle!


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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2080 on: April 12, 2018, 11:59:49 PM »

It does look like the WI-52 marker has less of the triangle at the top, but without looking at a ton of newer markers I don't think it's fair to say that it's some sort of new "design change." It might just be a one-off (or one of a small batch that were produced somewhat uglier.)
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2081 on: April 13, 2018, 12:43:00 AM »

Depends on the QC of the vendor that made the sign. The official shape has not changed. Note that neither correctly reproduced the "triangle", as the top angle should be different from the bottom.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2082 on: April 13, 2018, 05:22:03 PM »

You can barely discern the (presumably cheese) triangle               

It would be hilarious if it was cheese, but it's not. It's essentially a triangle overlaid by a rectangle. The original state marker was an "upside down" triangle, but the route numbers were hard to see being squeezed in there. So they created room for the numbers, and the rest is history.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2083 on: April 14, 2018, 08:30:23 AM »

For sure need a c/d lane for those loops if they end up keeping both of them.  A SB->EB turbine ramp was included in many of the options I've seen from WisDOT.  But in reality, I doubt that's really needed.  Changing that ramp just improves the options to get better geometry from the other ramps.

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2084 on: April 14, 2018, 11:51:13 AM »

So what exactly will they do with the Beltline interchange? Are they still planning on doing a full reconstruction and realignment, or are they simply going to do some realignment and leave most of the existing infrastructure in place?
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2085 on: April 14, 2018, 01:11:59 PM »

For sure need a c/d lane for those loops if they end up keeping both of them.  A SB->EB turbine ramp was included in many of the options I've seen from WisDOT.  But in reality, I doubt that's really needed.  Changing that ramp just improves the options to get better geometry from the other ramps.

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?


Yes.  But I doubt it will happen as a freeway and I doubt it would relieve much congestion on the current Beltline. 
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2086 on: April 14, 2018, 01:15:04 PM »

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?
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I used to have a link to a website about a North side beltline.  But can't find it and google isn't helping.  This is the probably close but is almost 10 years old.

https://plandev.countyofdane.com/planning/North_Mendota.aspx
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2087 on: April 14, 2018, 08:59:42 PM »

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?

I used to have a link to a website about a North side beltline.  But can't find it and google isn't helping.  This is the probably close but is almost 10 years old.

https://plandev.countyofdane.com/planning/North_Mendota.aspx
[/quote]The only changes that need to be made to the beltline that I can see is a direct connection to US 18-151 and an interchange at Hwy K.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2088 on: April 16, 2018, 11:29:37 AM »

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?

The non-freeway North Mendota Parkway is the closest we will ever get I reckon.  It would be an surface arterial upgrade of CTH M and CTH K to the Beltline from WI 113.  I suspect the uncertainty about the North Mendota Parkway is why we don't have an interchange for US 12 at CTH K already.  Some of the options bring it in right along existing CTH K, others put it a little north on a new alignment.  The Freeway Conversion Study for US 12 between Middleton and WI 19 eludes to this in some of its documentation.
http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/12freeway/default.aspx

So what exactly will they do with the Beltline interchange? Are they still planning on doing a full reconstruction and realignment, or are they simply going to do some realignment and leave most of the existing infrastructure in place?

Someone should swing by the PIM in McFarland Tuesday night and find out!
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2089 on: April 16, 2018, 11:59:21 AM »

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?

The non-freeway North Mendota Parkway is the closest we will ever get I reckon.  It would be an surface arterial upgrade of CTH M and CTH K to the Beltline from WI 113.  I suspect the uncertainty about the North Mendota Parkway is why we don't have an interchange for US 12 at CTH K already.  Some of the options bring it in right along existing CTH K, others put it a little north on a new alignment.  The Freeway Conversion Study for US 12 between Middleton and WI 19 eludes to this in some of its documentation.
http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/12freeway/default.aspx

I can't find a link to the posting anymore, but Dane County recently put out an RFP for significant upgrades to CTH M from approximately Middleton to STH 113.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2090 on: April 16, 2018, 09:55:11 PM »

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?

The non-freeway North Mendota Parkway is the closest we will ever get I reckon.  It would be an surface arterial upgrade of CTH M and CTH K to the Beltline from WI 113.  I suspect the uncertainty about the North Mendota Parkway is why we don't have an interchange for US 12 at CTH K already.  Some of the options bring it in right along existing CTH K, others put it a little north on a new alignment.  The Freeway Conversion Study for US 12 between Middleton and WI 19 eludes to this in some of its documentation.
http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/12freeway/default.aspx

I can't find a link to the posting anymore, but Dane County recently put out an RFP for significant upgrades to CTH M from approximately Middleton to STH 113.
probably mothballed alongside the US-10 Stevens Point and I-94 through the cemetery projects
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2091 on: April 19, 2018, 08:59:31 AM »

probably mothballed alongside the US-10 Stevens Point and I-94 through the cemetery projects

North Mendota Pkwy is a Dane County project, not WisDOT.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2092 on: April 19, 2018, 09:58:20 AM »

Speaking of the beltline, has there ever been any discussion of extending the beltline through the north side between Middleton and Waunakee and re-connecting it with 39-90?

The non-freeway North Mendota Parkway is the closest we will ever get I reckon.  It would be an surface arterial upgrade of CTH M and CTH K to the Beltline from WI 113.  I suspect the uncertainty about the North Mendota Parkway is why we don't have an interchange for US 12 at CTH K already.  Some of the options bring it in right along existing CTH K, others put it a little north on a new alignment.  The Freeway Conversion Study for US 12 between Middleton and WI 19 eludes to this in some of its documentation.
http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/12freeway/default.aspx

I can't find a link to the posting anymore, but Dane County recently put out an RFP for significant upgrades to CTH M from approximately Middleton to STH 113.
probably mothballed alongside the US-10 Stevens Point and I-94 through the cemetery projects

The CTH M RFP was a project posted within the past couple months, and like triplemultiplex said, it's a county project, not WisDOT. The winning design firm is supposed to be announced any time now.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2093 on: April 27, 2018, 09:33:42 PM »

Is anyone else noticing a severe deterioration of Wisconsin license plates that were issued several years ago, mainly six-character plates in the number range from about [nnn-Fxx] to about [nnn-Sxx]?  The retro-reflective white (with artwork) backing is peeling away from the aluminum substrate on many of them, rendering a large number of the plates in that number range unreadable.

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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2094 on: April 28, 2018, 09:19:23 AM »

Is anyone else noticing a severe deterioration of Wisconsin license plates that were issued several years ago, mainly six-character plates in the number range from about [nnn-Fxx] to about [nnn-Sxx]?  The retro-reflective white (with artwork) backing is peeling away from the aluminum substrate on many of them, rendering a large number of the plates in that number range unreadable.

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Yes I have noticed that. In fact, I seem to recall the Journal Sentinel did a short piece about that a year or two ago. WisDOT said something along the lines of “well, they’re not supposed to last forever...”  They look like absolute garbage, and I’ve even noticed it on some more recent issues, including one that was a nnn-Zxx plate, which should have been issued in late 2016 or early 17.

Edit- it was actually the State Journal:

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/ask/just-ask-us/just-ask-us-license-plates-do-fall-apart-but-it/article_dd598585-e68b-5813-ab57-3d476d2209b8.html
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2095 on: April 28, 2018, 07:13:55 PM »

Situation - cheap metal and whatever material used to apply the sealed paint.

They also stopped replacing plates after X many years and expect one to replace them themselves now - and yes you get new numbers.  Mine were quite damaged by wear and I ended up with a AAA-0000 plate set.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2097 on: May 15, 2018, 09:03:15 AM »

Looks like WISDOT has started working on the Signal-Head-Per-Lane upgrades along U.S. Hwy 12 (Clairemont Ave) in Eau Claire. http://www.weau.com/content/news/State-DOT-improving-traffic-signals-at-21-area-intersections-482002271.html

Also recently completed was the lane & signal phase re configuring of two intersections on STH 93, which included the installation of Monotube masts for the side roads. http://www.leadertelegram.com/News/Front-Page/2018/04/30/New-traffic-configuration-should-help-Highway-93-drivers.html
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #2098 on: May 16, 2018, 02:25:22 PM »

^^
Speaking of the NW division finally getting in the signal per-lane game. Taken at WIS 25/ N. Broadway St. and Ceder Falls Rd. in Menomonie:

Looking Northbound:




Southbound:


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« Reply #2099 on: May 16, 2018, 05:02:07 PM »

^^
Speaking of the NW division finally getting in the signal per-lane game. Taken at WIS 25/ N. Broadway St. and Ceder Falls Rd. in Menomonie:

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Southbound:

Do you know if they did this at the intersections on the other side of I-94? Like at Oak Ave and Pine Ave.
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