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Started by CentralCAroadgeek, June 24, 2012, 09:19:26 PM

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Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 20, 2023, 09:39:37 PM


Nbd Naperville Road at I-88 in Naperville, IL:  The exit sign is on the left side of the road, and it's a divided highway to boot.

GSV:  https://goo.gl/maps/ezxPTCGhmusE94238


That would be a sign's design and placement for a movie or TV show "prop".


jeffandnicole

Quote from: thenetwork on July 21, 2023, 07:16:04 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 20, 2023, 09:39:37 PM


Nbd Naperville Road at I-88 in Naperville, IL:  The exit sign is on the left side of the road, and it's a divided highway to boot.

GSV:  https://goo.gl/maps/ezxPTCGhmusE94238


That would be a sign's design and placement for a movie or TV show "prop".

While I would tend to agree, that sign has been there over 5 years.  A movie/show prop would be there just for a short period of time to shoot the scenes they need.

jakeroot

Illinois: land of supplemental traffic signals and supplemental guide signs!

jay8g

Seems clever to me - the road curves to the right before the exit so from a distance, the only sign you see is the one on the left. Though it is still kind of redundant with the one in that street view picture... and the angle is wrong because it's sharing the supports of the southbound sign.

jakeroot

Quote from: jay8g on July 23, 2023, 01:51:41 AM
Seems clever to me - the road curves to the right before the exit so from a distance, the only sign you see is the one on the left. Though it is still kind of redundant with the one in that street view picture... and the angle is wrong because it's sharing the supports of the southbound sign.

I might put it into the rare "needlessly clever" category of signage.

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Quote from: jay8g on July 23, 2023, 01:51:41 AM
Seems clever to me - the road curves to the right before the exit so from a distance, the only sign you see is the one on the left. Though it is still kind of redundant with the one in that street view picture... and the angle is wrong because it's sharing the supports of the southbound sign.

Interesting how thanks to the arrangement of the ramps, that sign is mounted back-to-back with a completely identical sign for the opposite direction of Naperville Road.  Did they buy 2 and get one free and just had to use it somewhere?

davewiecking

Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 20, 2023, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 20, 2023, 09:39:37 PM


Nbd Naperville Road at I-88 in Naperville, IL:  The exit sign is on the left side of the road, and it's a divided highway to boot.

GSV:  https://goo.gl/maps/ezxPTCGhmusE94238
Looks like the ISTHA had some money to burn, considering there's a BGS where it actually belongs too.
This extra sign is on the back of a properly located BGS, and is right down the street from the Illinois Tollway Central Sign Shop. Maybe they're testing something...

formulanone

#507
More like weird sign placement, since it's just a route shield.

A high-mounted shield on California 85. Maybe it's to see over the breakdown lane pocket on the right shoulder?




ethanhopkin14

Quote from: davewiecking on July 23, 2023, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 20, 2023, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 20, 2023, 09:39:37 PM


Nbd Naperville Road at I-88 in Naperville, IL:  The exit sign is on the left side of the road, and it's a divided highway to boot.

GSV:  https://goo.gl/maps/ezxPTCGhmusE94238
Looks like the ISTHA had some money to burn, considering there's a BGS where it actually belongs too.
This extra sign is on the back of a properly located BGS, and is right down the street from the Illinois Tollway Central Sign Shop. Maybe they're testing something...

The gore also gets a stand alone shield as well, so it's redundant and weird. 

Amaury

Instead of placing this on the side of the light pole, like some other mile markers on the same highway, such as mile marker 71 (https://goo.gl/maps/Ma7rcwRjXsZMyK3N6), mile marker 80 on US Route 2 was placed in the middle of the light pole. Eastbound traffic can see it perfectly: https://goo.gl/maps/aBfTR5CkYFHQQjsF6 However, for westbound traffic: https://goo.gl/maps/AhdXY7FbnLxadi9Q9

I'll probably report this sign at some point.
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LilianaUwU

This oldie on Rue Odette-Pinard SB at Boulevard des Chutes points to QC 360.

Old QC 360 shield - 1 by Liliana Vess, on Flickr

The reason it's poorly placed? Because the previous intersection is QC 360.
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Amaury

This is very, very partially obscured if driving in the eastbound lane of US 2 in Coulee City, Washington. What boggles my mind is why they didn't just attach the mile marker to the existing metal post for the speed limit sign, like they've done in other areas: https://maps.app.goo.gl/G4bQ6sGW86zexR8WA

Not a speed limit sign, but on the next mile marker (193), they attached it to the post an already-existing sign is using: https://maps.app.goo.gl/4ejCpmmMkZEFP6w29

Or like here on US 97: https://maps.app.goo.gl/vLrjxNT6UDCbarcK7
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Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 24, 2023, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on July 23, 2023, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 20, 2023, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 20, 2023, 09:39:37 PM


Nbd Naperville Road at I-88 in Naperville, IL:  The exit sign is on the left side of the road, and it's a divided highway to boot.

GSV:  https://goo.gl/maps/ezxPTCGhmusE94238
Looks like the ISTHA had some money to burn, considering there's a BGS where it actually belongs too.
This extra sign is on the back of a properly located BGS, and is right down the street from the Illinois Tollway Central Sign Shop. Maybe they're testing something...

The gore also gets a stand alone shield as well, so it's redundant and weird.

Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I think you guys are missing some context here. Check out this angle here, and see if you can figure out why the sign is there.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/gyEgnD3rp3tme67R7

That's not to say I agree with the placement, but I can at least see the logic of why it's there.

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Quote from: JoePCool14 on November 08, 2023, 07:56:09 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 24, 2023, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on July 23, 2023, 06:35:41 PM
Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 20, 2023, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 20, 2023, 09:39:37 PM


Nbd Naperville Road at I-88 in Naperville, IL:  The exit sign is on the left side of the road, and it's a divided highway to boot.

GSV:  https://goo.gl/maps/ezxPTCGhmusE94238
Looks like the ISTHA had some money to burn, considering there's a BGS where it actually belongs too.
This extra sign is on the back of a properly located BGS, and is right down the street from the Illinois Tollway Central Sign Shop. Maybe they're testing something...

The gore also gets a stand alone shield as well, so it's redundant and weird.

Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I think you guys are missing some context here. Check out this angle here, and see if you can figure out why the sign is there.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/gyEgnD3rp3tme67R7

That's not to say I agree with the placement, but I can at least see the logic of why it's there.

jay8g did address this up-thread...

Quote from: jay8g on July 23, 2023, 01:51:41 AM
Seems clever to me - the road curves to the right before the exit so from a distance, the only sign you see is the one on the left. Though it is still kind of redundant with the one in that street view picture... and the angle is wrong because it's sharing the supports of the southbound sign.

What I don't get is why it isn't just mounted overhead. Situations like this, where there's a ramp on the inside of a curve, aren't that unusual. Granted, having a tree-line that close may not be too common, and this isn't a freeway so overhead signage isn't automatically a given (though even then it's not a given). But still, it would be the most "normal" way to treat this situation.

Amaury

In Kittitas, Washington: https://maps.app.goo.gl/KtDvZTrm4ehA5PkM6

The signs are literally touching each other. I checked, and they're mostly straight, so it's not really that. They just placed the posts too close to each other, not thinking about how wide the yellow sign is. I don't know why they didn't just use a single and taller post and have the yellow sign on top and the other ones below it. It used to be like this, where they weren't touching each other, but it was changed to its current way: https://maps.app.goo.gl/BMfX1kUwRnpssEq88
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A few speed limit placements in the panhandle of FL could use some significant improvement...

I-10 at the Santa Rosa County Rest Area — on the EB off-ramp, the Speed Limit 15 sign is located BEFORE the theoretical gore point, on the main thoroughfare... the WB rest area does not have this configuration. https://maps.app.goo.gl/nxMqKT24oGZvYnzq5?g_st=ic  :banghead:

US-29 SB approaching Pensacola — speed limit upstream of drop is 40mph and reduces to 30mph. This is the August '22 picture, which is more representative of what I saw in December of '23. The simple fix is ensuring the bushes get trimmed, but even with a trim, the sign is still hard to see around the corner. May not be an issue during peak hours, but definitely caught me by surprise during off-peak. https://maps.app.goo.gl/temec9Rep1H8jrbE8?g_st=ic
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fillup420

Not sure why the overhead sign in background wasn't just mounted to the RR bridge...

jeffandnicole

Quote from: fillup420 on January 27, 2024, 03:15:18 PM
Not sure why the overhead sign in background wasn't just mounted to the RR bridge...

A few reasons:

The bridge is much too sharp of an angle to mount signage this large (yeah, I'm sure there's an example or two, but it's not done often).

The bridge may be under the authority of the train line, which doesn't permit signage on their bridges.

Also, many transportation agencies have moved away from mounting signage on bridges altogether, often opting for gantries just in front of the bridge.

roadfro

Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 27, 2024, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: fillup420 on January 27, 2024, 03:15:18 PM
Not sure why the overhead sign in background wasn't just mounted to the RR bridge...

A few reasons:

The bridge is much too sharp of an angle to mount signage this large (yeah, I'm sure there's an example or two, but it's not done often).

Caltrans would like a word...

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The bridge may be under the authority of the train line, which doesn't permit signage on their bridges.

Also, many transportation agencies have moved away from mounting signage on bridges altogether, often opting for gantries just in front of the bridge.

These are more likely.

Nevada DOT seems to have adopted such a policy, at least in urban areas. Off the top of my head, I can't think of more than two newly-installed overhead guide signs mounted to a bridge structure in the last 15 years in either the Reno or Las Vegas areas—and the two I'm thinking of are overhead for the side street, not freeway mainline. (The I-80 rebuild through Reno-Sparks circa 2012 actually removed all the signs attached to bridges and replaced them all on new sign gantries.) While a greater initial expense, I believe this policy has led to a drastic reduction in the amount of graffiti and sticker vandalism seen on signs.

With all that said, that exit direction sign probably should have been installed in front of the bridge...
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1995hoo

Recognizing this is on private property and thus Wegmans probably posted them, these stop signs drive me crazy every week, especially when I'm coming in the other direction (each one has another stop sign on the back side):

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Y4G2tJR4SG9cXWBb6?g_st=ic
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Quote from: 1995hoo on January 28, 2024, 02:15:47 PM
Recognizing this is on private property and thus Wegmans probably posted them, these stop signs drive me crazy every week, especially when I'm coming in the other direction (each one has another stop sign on the back side):

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Y4G2tJR4SG9cXWBb6?g_st=ic

I'd completely ignore them.
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Quote from: kphoger on January 29, 2024, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 28, 2024, 02:15:47 PM
Recognizing this is on private property and thus Wegmans probably posted them, these stop signs drive me crazy every week, especially when I'm coming in the other direction (each one has another stop sign on the back side):

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Y4G2tJR4SG9cXWBb6?g_st=ic

I'd completely ignore them.

Ditto.

That part is within the parking lot, and it's the far end of the lot where stops really shouldn't be necessary. That usage does not command respect for the signs. Interesting that the stop signs (and centerline) weren't there in 2019 Street View, which makes me think it's just trying to cut down on speeding through the lot—speed bumps would be more effective.

Also curious why they've used yellow paint on the curbing to indicate no parking as opposed to red.
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1995hoo

Yellow curbs are the norm here. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any red curbs.
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