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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2012, 10:41:23 PM »



A pet peeve of mine, large capital letters with tiny lowercase letters.
The "Last Exit . . . " should also be a black text on yellow background panel.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2012, 01:04:47 AM »

The "Last Exit . . . " should also be a black text on yellow background panel.

Green is technically correct. A toll road starting isn't really a hazard...
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2012, 01:32:50 AM »

But it's not a destination or road name, so it should be in all caps anyway.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #53 on: July 16, 2012, 12:41:20 AM »

But it's not a destination or road name, so it should be in all caps anyway.

Do you recall the way the MUTCD phrases this? I thought it was a "place name messages shall be in mixed case" but with no specification as to other messages... does it say someone "everything else shall be in SCREAMY CAPS"?
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2012, 12:50:11 AM »

But it's not a destination or road name, so it should be in all caps anyway.

Do you recall the way the MUTCD phrases this? I thought it was a "place name messages shall be in mixed case" but with no specification as to other messages... does it say someone "everything else shall be in SCREAMY CAPS"?

Basically, but in reverse order from that:

Quote from: MUTCD 2009 Section 2A.13
Standard:
10 All sign lettering shall be in upper-case letters as provided in the "Standard Highway Signs and Markings" book (see Section 1A.11), unless otherwise provided in this Manual for a particular sign or type of message.

11 The sign lettering for names of places, streets, and highways shall be composed of a combination of lower-case letters with initial upper-case letters.

I'm not aware of any subsequent passages that override those standards.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2012, 10:40:18 AM »

The "Last Exit . . . " should also be a black text on yellow background panel.

Green is technically correct. A toll road starting isn't really a hazard...

I've seen quite a few black-on-yellow "Last Exit Before Toll" signs over the years, although I have no idea what the MUTCD might say about it. Most of the time, however, I've seen this notation as a banner on a larger sign (similar to an "Exit Only" or the like), not as a separate sign as shown here.

If the goal of the sign is to grab the attention of someone who might not realize there's a toll road ahead, the black-on-yellow is probably more eye-catching regardless of what the MUTCD might say.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2012, 02:47:11 PM »

I'm among the minority that likes unisigns, but not with the directional banner below the shield.



Misshapen shields. And VA 403 does not go north here (which is for another thread).


Non-cutout Interstate shield.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2012, 05:19:42 PM »

The "Last Exit . . . " should also be a black text on yellow background panel.

Of course, I've never seen any button copy that's not white on anything else. Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing anything that's not white on green. Probably because reflectors on black doesn't work well.

When was that sign put up anyway?
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2012, 06:19:45 PM »

there are many examples of white/black and yellow/black button copy here in CA.

also, brown/white and blue/white is very prevalent here, and the occasional red/white does exist, mainly in the form of old STOP signs.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2012, 06:57:28 PM »

The "Last Exit . . . " should also be a black text on yellow background panel.

Of course, I've never seen any button copy that's not white on anything else. Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing anything that's not white on green. Probably because reflectors on black doesn't work well.

When was that sign put up anyway?

Within the past four years or so.  When IDOT finished the widening of the Kingery Expressway and rebuilt the Torrance and IL-394/I-94 interchanges.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #60 on: July 16, 2012, 07:42:19 PM »

The "Last Exit . . . " should also be a black text on yellow background panel.

Of course, I've never seen any button copy that's not white on anything else. Come to think of it, I don't remember seeing anything that's not white on green. Probably because reflectors on black doesn't work well.

When was that sign put up anyway?
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #61 on: July 20, 2012, 03:02:46 PM »

Here's a subtle one. I didn't even notice this until looking at the pictures after the fact:




Yep, on both I-75 signs, the top right corner is squared off as if to meet the exit tab, even though the exit tab is (correctly) left-aligned.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #62 on: July 20, 2012, 08:33:55 PM »

@Ms. Central: I imagine the tabs were once incorrectly on the right, and then moved over when someone woke up to the MUTCD.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #63 on: July 20, 2012, 10:53:57 PM »

Helvetica on this TX Toll 1 shield?
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #64 on: July 21, 2012, 01:14:21 AM »

@Ms. Central: I imagine the tabs were once incorrectly on the right, and then moved over when someone woke up to the MUTCD.

That was my guess too.

Especially because I noticed the sign for a left-hand exit is mounted on the right-hand side of the road.
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« Reply #65 on: July 21, 2012, 10:23:37 AM »

Perhaps.  TN didn't use directional tabbing until the late 1990's anyway, at least not between Hartford and Knoxville.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #66 on: July 23, 2012, 12:54:19 PM »

NHDOT loves to push the top control city all the way over to the left when there is an arrow involved.

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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #67 on: July 23, 2012, 12:57:48 PM »

NHDOT loves to push the top control city all the way over to the left when there is an arrow involved.


Both PTC and PennDOT have been known to 'Left-Justify' control destinations when a Right-Arrow is involved as well on their BGS' for almost a decade.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #68 on: July 30, 2012, 06:22:20 PM »

Off-center text.


Weird-looking gore sign.


Excessively bordered exit tab solutions.


White banner on an interstate shield.


This gore sign looks pretty funky too.


But this one was the worst of the bunch.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #69 on: July 30, 2012, 07:11:02 PM »

Texas-style exit tab, you're doing it wrong!

On I-5 north in Cottonwood.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #70 on: July 30, 2012, 08:35:14 PM »

This gore sign looks pretty funky too.

I guess it used to be a conventional exit gore sign, the '9' was added later.
Texas-style exit tab, you're doing it wrong!

On I-5 north in Cottonwood.
The same situation here, except they added a '664' plate below the gore point sign.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #71 on: July 30, 2012, 09:09:03 PM »

Two instances of upper and lowercase letters trading places--how does this happen?  It's not button copy.  Demountable?



Seen before around here, I think--but maybe it was I-79/I-90 interchange specimens before.  Tiny lowercase with large initial capitals.  Stop doing this!

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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #72 on: July 30, 2012, 09:17:45 PM »

One of the BGS' on the approach ramp to I-95 from PA 413 in Bristol (Exit 40) has a lower-case u for the the word SOuTH for I-95 South.

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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #73 on: July 31, 2012, 12:36:13 AM »

Two instances of upper and lowercase letters trading places--how does this happen?  It's not button copy.  Demountable?



I could almost excuse the O/o swap as a simple case of inattentiveness...but a capital A and a lowercase a don't even look alike! That's entirely inexcusable.
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Re: Signs With Design Errors
« Reply #74 on: July 31, 2012, 08:35:26 AM »

The Exit 53A gore sign on Rt. 55 South in NJ had been replaced with a Exit 53 Exit sign at one point...even though it should have remained 53A.  It appeared someone just took an ordinary 4 inch "A" sticker that you can get in a pack of stickers at walmart or craft stores and stuck it to the sign. 

It remained that way for years.  I think a proper sign has finally been installed...but I can't remember!
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