Signs With Design Errors

[riiga]

"Siidewalk".

Bellevue, Wash. 4 June 2016:

Shouldn't it be yellow-black also given it's a caution?

[noelbotevera]

"Siidewalk".

Bellevue, Wash. 4 June 2016:

I seriously thought they meant "Slidewalk". Maybe I read I's without serifs or anything as L's? "Slldewalk" doesn't roll off the tongue as well as "Siidewalk" or "Slidewalk".

[tckma]

Here's one I noticed yesterday when driving to a robotics team meeting.  The elders are deaf, so SHA has to shout at them to tell them how far they are from their little 'burg.  Baltimorons, on the other hand, can hear when spoken to in the correct case:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4296966,-77.0037906,3a,43.8y,167.32h,77.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJqldotPN6zKeT9wvnTPaLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

[roadfro]

Here's one I noticed yesterday when driving to a robotics team meeting.  The elders are deaf, so SHA has to shout at them to tell them how far they are from their little 'burg.  Baltimorons, on the other hand, can hear when spoken to in the correct case:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4296966,-77.0037906,3a,43.8y,167.32h,77.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJqldotPN6zKeT9wvnTPaLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Not a design error, per se.

The mileage assembly appears to be made of separate smaller signs, one for Eldersburg and one for Baltimore. I'd guess the Baltimore one is a recent addition or replacement which was made in compliance with mixed-case lettering requirements, whereas Eldersburg is likely an older sign made when all-caps was still okay for destination text.

[Max Rockatansky]

Noticed the font on the US 189/US 191 is all messed up at terminus of WY 22 in Jackson, WY today.  Basically they tried to stuff three digits into two digit shields...pretty easy to find on Google Street View.

[hbelkins]

Noticed the font on the US 189/US 191 is all messed up at terminus of WY 22 in Jackson, WY today.  Basically they tried to stuff three digits into two digit shields...pretty easy to find on Google Street View.

That was pretty much SOP until the mid 1970's. It still is in highway districts 8 and 12 in Kentucky, and in some places in North Carolina.

[vtk]

Noticed the font on the US 189/US 191 is all messed up at terminus of WY 22 in Jackson, WY today.  Basically they tried to stuff three digits into two digit shields...pretty easy to find on Google Street View.

Half the shields are blurred on GSV, but the 191 I could see has the digits in Series B or Series C, at less than half shield height.  That's not "all messed up", it's just inconsistent with recommended design, while still using approved fonts.

[Max Rockatansky]

Noticed the font on the US 189/US 191 is all messed up at terminus of WY 22 in Jackson, WY today.  Basically they tried to stuff three digits into two digit shields...pretty easy to find on Google Street View.

Half the shields are blurred on GSV, but the 191 I could see has the digits in Series B or Series C, at less than half shield height.  That's not "all messed up", it's just inconsistent with recommended design, while still using approved fonts.

It's the wrong size sign for a three digit...and worse the whole friggin state turned out to be like that.  I can't believe that I didn't notice it before today, I only saw one proper 24x32 191 south from Jackson to the state line.  Utah wasn't much better with the 24x24 but the fonts were at least bigger than in Wyoming.

[tckma]

How about some mixed-case directions on a BGS?

[hbelkins]

It's the wrong size sign for a three digit...and worse the whole friggin state turned out to be like that.  I can't believe that I didn't notice it before today, I only saw one proper 24x32 191 south from Jackson to the state line.  Utah wasn't much better with the 24x24 but the fonts were at least bigger than in Wyoming.

They're actually 24x36, and we're going to have to agree to disagree on "proper." I hate the wide signs and much prefer square signs for all applications, even Kentucky's four-digit state routes.

[kphoger]

It's the wrong size sign for a three digit...and worse the whole friggin state turned out to be like that.  I can't believe that I didn't notice it before today, I only saw one proper 24x32 191 south from Jackson to the state line.  Utah wasn't much better with the 24x24 but the fonts were at least bigger than in Wyoming.

They're actually 24x36, and we're going to have to agree to disagree on "proper." I hate the wide signs and much prefer square signs for all applications, even Kentucky's four-digit state routes.

I'm good with either oblong rectangles or squares.  What I dislike is having both of them.

[paulthemapguy]

Haha, they failed to choose a 24x36 for a 3-digit US highway?  Tell that to Iowa or Minnesota

[vtk]

It's the wrong size sign for a three digit...and worse the whole friggin state turned out to be like that.  I can't believe that I didn't notice it before today, I only saw one proper 24x32 191 south from Jackson to the state line.  Utah wasn't much better with the 24x24 but the fonts were at least bigger than in Wyoming.

They're actually 24x36, and we're going to have to agree to disagree on "proper." I hate the wide signs and much prefer square signs for all applications, even Kentucky's four-digit state routes.

I thought the 3-digit routes are typically in a 5:4 ratio, so 30×24 or 45×36.

[Max Rockatansky]

It's the wrong size sign for a three digit...and worse the whole friggin state turned out to be like that.  I can't believe that I didn't notice it before today, I only saw one proper 24x32 191 south from Jackson to the state line.  Utah wasn't much better with the 24x24 but the fonts were at least bigger than in Wyoming.

They're actually 24x36, and we're going to have to agree to disagree on "proper." I hate the wide signs and much prefer square signs for all applications, even Kentucky's four-digit state routes.

I thought the 3-digit routes are typically in a 5:4 ratio, so 30×24 or 45×36.

Had my numbers backwards on my post, I meant 32x24.   Speaking of weird signs today there were some oddly shaped shields here in Colorado.  There was a screwed up US 550 somewhere in Montrose and a bulbus US 160 on a guide sign on the southern terminus of CO 151.

[hbelkins]

It's the wrong size sign for a three digit...and worse the whole friggin state turned out to be like that.  I can't believe that I didn't notice it before today, I only saw one proper 24x32 191 south from Jackson to the state line.  Utah wasn't much better with the 24x24 but the fonts were at least bigger than in Wyoming.

They're actually 24x36, and we're going to have to agree to disagree on "proper." I hate the wide signs and much prefer square signs for all applications, even Kentucky's four-digit state routes.

I thought the 3-digit routes are typically in a 5:4 ratio, so 30×24 or 45×36.

Could be. I measured one a few years ago but can't remember the exact width. I do think the wide signs look wider than three inches on either side.

Had my numbers backwards on my post, I meant 32x24.   Speaking of weird signs today there were some oddly shaped shields here in Colorado.  There was a screwed up US 550 somewhere in Montrose and a bulbus US 160 on a guide sign on the southern terminus of CO 151.

Got a photographic example of a 32-inch wide sign you can show us? (As opposed to the typical, which is either 30 or 36 (my faulty memory again)).

[US71]

Lee's Summit, MO
3d MO on a 2d shield on a 3d sign blank.

[Max Rockatansky]

It's the wrong size sign for a three digit...and worse the whole friggin state turned out to be like that.  I can't believe that I didn't notice it before today, I only saw one proper 24x32 191 south from Jackson to the state line.  Utah wasn't much better with the 24x24 but the fonts were at least bigger than in Wyoming.

They're actually 24x36, and we're going to have to agree to disagree on "proper." I hate the wide signs and much prefer square signs for all applications, even Kentucky's four-digit state routes.

I thought the 3-digit routes are typically in a 5:4 ratio, so 30×24 or 45×36.

Could be. I measured one a few years ago but can't remember the exact width. I do think the wide signs look wider than three inches on either side.

Had my numbers backwards on my post, I meant 32x24.   Speaking of weird signs today there were some oddly shaped shields here in Colorado.  There was a screwed up US 550 somewhere in Montrose and a bulbus US 160 on a guide sign on the southern terminus of CO 151.

Got a photographic example of a 32-inch wide sign you can show us? (As opposed to the typical, which is either 30 or 36 (my faulty memory again)).

This was the weird shaped 3 digit shield for US 160 that I saw yesterday:

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.4750522,-105.6023945,3a,15y,180h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sx9HQEA8RhBmR5SEG9ai6Ng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en

Like I said it's on a guide sign, but the design is all weird and wonky.  There was a 550 like that also out in Montrose but I don't recall the exact cross-street.

[amroad17]

^ They call that the "pig" US shield.  Fat little sucker, ain't it?

[amroad17]

Lee's Summit, MO
3d MO on a 2d shield on a 3d sign blank.

They actually have an I-470 sign along with the MO 291 sign?  I thought Missouri was doing away with Interstate reassurance signs--which is stupid.

[Max Rockatansky]

^ They call that the "pig" US shield.  Fat little sucker, ain't it?

And it's weird too since for the most part Colorado seems to be pretty solid with consistent route signage.  Wyoming was the one that was all over the place from what I saw on this trip.  I actually forgot about the wooden signage posts and twisted directional markers.  Now the one thing that I thought was unusual here in Colorado is that a lot of routes outside of place where a multiplex branches off don't have directional markers.  That could just simply be due to the fact that some routes like US 24 take wild swings in different directions like going west then suddenly due north.

[US71]

Lee's Summit, MO
3d MO on a 2d shield on a 3d sign blank.

They actually have an I-470 sign along with the MO 291 sign?  I thought Missouri was doing away with Interstate reassurance signs--which is stupid.

I've never heard such a thing. This is also right after 291 becomes 470

[hbelkins]

3d MO on a 2d shield on a 3d sign blank.

They actually have an I-470 sign along with the MO 291 sign?  I thought Missouri was doing away with Interstate reassurance signs--which is stupid.

I've never heard such a thing. This is also right after 291 becomes 470

Missouri took down the I-44 reassurance markers along the US 50 concurrency a few years ago. It was a big subject of discussion.

[kphoger]

3d MO on a 2d shield on a 3d sign blank.

They actually have an I-470 sign along with the MO 291 sign?  I thought Missouri was doing away with Interstate reassurance signs--which is stupid.

I've never heard such a thing. This is also right after 291 becomes 470

Missouri took down the I-44 reassurance markers along the US 50 concurrency a few years ago. It was a big subject of discussion.
[/quote]

I've only noticed the disappearance of Interstate reassurance markers in rural areas where a US Highway is part of the overlap. I've never seen it in an urban area or where a State Route is the only other part of the overlap. That could be purely coincidental due to the exact routes I've driven, or it could be informative as to the picture in question.

[peperodriguez2710]

I know you don't see Spanish signs everyday, but here it is:

An exit number? What's that?

[hbelkins]

I've only noticed the disappearance of Interstate reassurance markers in rural areas where a US Highway is part of the overlap. I've never seen it in an urban area or where a State Route is the only other part of the overlap. That could be purely coincidental due to the exact routes I've driven, or it could be informative as to the picture in question.

I believe this was also done on the new I-35/MO 110 ("CKC") overlap north of KCMo.

Somebody somewhere (here on AA Roads, MTR or the Yahoo Roadgeek group) posted correspondence from MoDOT about this.