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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #425 on: September 13, 2019, 02:44:06 PM »

I have seen new M-43 reassurance markers along M-89 in Plainwell.  However, it is not acknowledged yet on the US 131 BGS on M-89.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #426 on: September 13, 2019, 08:15:28 PM »

 I was on US-131 south of M-222 last Saturday and saw no mention of M-43. The only time I saw M-43 posted was in Kalamazoo and the control city was Hastings which is probably an old sign.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #427 on: September 14, 2019, 01:15:36 AM »

You are probably talking about the BGS mounted on the railroad bridge where Riverview/Kalamazoo Ave/ and East Michigan meet.  It is a new enough sign to be done in Clearview.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #428 on: September 14, 2019, 08:28:41 AM »

You are probably talking about the BGS mounted on the railroad bridge where Riverview/Kalamazoo Ave/ and East Michigan meet.  It is a new enough sign to be done in Clearview.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #429 on: September 24, 2019, 07:47:51 AM »

The latest proposal to resolve Michigan's road funding crisis:  Let's just get rid of some of them, or let them revert back to gravel.

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MACKINAC ISLAND -- As Lansing struggles with having enough money to fix the state's crumbling roads, Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey has a new proposal -- get rid of some of them.

"We've got too many roads," Shirkey told the Free Press in a weekend interview on Mackinac Island.

The number of lane miles in Michigan has increased significantly since 1980, at a much higher rate than the state's population, Shirkey said.

As a result, "we have way more roads per capita than most states do," and reducing the number of roads should be considered as part of a comprehensive road funding plan, he said.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/09/23/mike-shirkey-gop-return-paved-roads-gravel/2409886001/

[snarky comment] We've also got way more useless full-time legislators per capita than most states do.  [/snarky comment]
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #430 on: September 24, 2019, 08:06:07 AM »

It is an interesting idea.  What do you do with roads where their purpose seems to have dissipated?
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #431 on: September 25, 2019, 12:41:37 PM »

The latest proposal to resolve Michigan's road funding crisis:  Let's just get rid of some of them, or let them revert back to gravel.

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MACKINAC ISLAND -- As Lansing struggles with having enough money to fix the state's crumbling roads, Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey has a new proposal -- get rid of some of them.

"We've got too many roads," Shirkey told the Free Press in a weekend interview on Mackinac Island.

The number of lane miles in Michigan has increased significantly since 1980, at a much higher rate than the state's population, Shirkey said.

As a result, "we have way more roads per capita than most states do," and reducing the number of roads should be considered as part of a comprehensive road funding plan, he said.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/09/23/mike-shirkey-gop-return-paved-roads-gravel/2409886001/

[snarky comment] We've also got way more useless full-time legislators per capita than most states do.  [/snarky comment]


I know that travelmapping.net is not an exact set of state-maintained roads for each state, but in their database I see at least 10 states with smaller populations than Michigan but more road miles.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #432 on: October 03, 2019, 08:46:55 PM »

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MACKINAC ISLAND -- As Lansing struggles with having enough money to fix the state's crumbling roads, Senate Majority Leader Mike Shirkey has a new proposal -- get rid of some of them.

"We've got too many roads," Shirkey told the Free Press in a weekend interview on Mackinac Island.

The number of lane miles in Michigan has increased significantly since 1980, at a much higher rate than the state's population, Shirkey said.

As a result, "we have way more roads per capita than most states do," and reducing the number of roads should be considered as part of a comprehensive road funding plan, he said.

"Dear Mr. President,

There are too many states nowadays. Please eliminate three.

P.S. I am not a crackpot."

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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #433 on: October 14, 2019, 02:27:23 PM »

The I-94 at US 127/M-50 interchange in Jackson will be rebuilt into a Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). A very interesting choice.

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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #434 on: October 14, 2019, 02:54:56 PM »

The I-94 at US 127/M-50 interchange in Jackson will be rebuilt into a Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). A very interesting choice.


Why a DDI? That should be a freeway to freeway interchange, not adding stoplights.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #435 on: October 14, 2019, 03:10:55 PM »


Why a DDI? That should be a freeway to freeway interchange, not adding stoplights.

It's not freeway to freeway now, for 2 reasons. 
  • The southern leg (Bus US-127) is not a freeway.
  • I-94 wb to US-127/M-50 nb has a stoplight at the end of the ramp.  This means sb US-127 has a traffic light at that ramp, before the current cloverleaf ramp to continue on US-127 sb (and I-94 eb).

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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #436 on: October 14, 2019, 05:09:50 PM »

Why a DDI? That should be a freeway to freeway interchange, not adding stoplights.

Because it's cheaper.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #437 on: October 14, 2019, 07:23:45 PM »

The I-94 at US 127/M-50 interchange in Jackson will be rebuilt into a Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI). A very interesting choice.

Did they publish something explicitly stating that? I know they were considering it, but I'm not immediately finding info corroborating this.

Given that the ADT of US-127/West Ave isn't particularly high (about 31K north of I-94, 21K south of it), and there's not much room for putting in a flyover without running into ridiculously-expensive ROW purchases, it's a sensible choice. MDOT can later add flyover ramps if needed. At at minimum, it shouldn't make anything worse - there's no additional lights for any movement.

WisDOT is doing something similar in Janesville at the Hwy 26 interchange with I-39/90, except there are stoplights on both sides of the intersection, and considerably higher traffic. 
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #438 on: November 03, 2019, 06:40:08 AM »

I visited the Portage Lake Lift Bridge (also known as the Houghton-Hancock Lift Bridge) when I drove up US 41 to the Keweenaw Peninsula of Michigan's Upper Peninsula in September 2018. It's a spectacular bridge. I decided to blog about it.

Take a look at the blog post here:
https://www.gribblenation.org/2019/11/portage-lake-lift-bridge.html
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #439 on: November 03, 2019, 11:57:10 AM »

^

Regarding the interchange, at least the I-94 WB -> US-127 NB movement is still a free-flowing movement and is being retained.

There should at least be a flyover built between US-127 SB -> I-94 EB.

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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #440 on: November 03, 2019, 06:37:30 PM »

^

Regarding the interchange, at least the I-94 WB -> US-127 NB movement is still a free-flowing movement and is being retained.

There should at least be a flyover built between US-127 SB -> I-94 EB.

I don't disagree. But that's an expensive location to purchase ROW, and MDOT has bigger problems to solve with the money that building that flyover would require.

If a Toledo-to-Jackson freeway/expressway is ever built, that section of US-127 might attract enough regional traffic to warrant the flyover. But as it sits now, it just doesn't. It's part of the reason this interchange has remained in this configuration as long as it has.

Besides the decrepit I-94 overpasses, what this does is not force traffic into a tight 270º loop, then ask it to accelerate from 25 -> 70 and merge in a very short distance. It's merely terrible for cars; it's horrible for heavy trucks.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #441 on: November 03, 2019, 06:55:21 PM »

If a Toledo-to-Jackson freeway/expressway is ever built, that section of US-127 might attract enough regional traffic to warrant the flyover. But as it sits now, it just doesn't. It's part of the reason this interchange has remained in this configuration as long as it has.
If the full freeway to Toledo is ever constructed, the entire overlap with I-94 would need an overhaul and reconstruction / widening to 6-lanes, and a massive overhaul of the junction in question. The eastern one as it is seems adequate as it's fully freeway-to-freeway.

Besides the decrepit I-94 overpasses, what this does is not force traffic into a tight 270º loop, then ask it to accelerate from 25 -> 70 and merge in a very short distance. It's merely terrible for cars; it's horrible for heavy trucks.
Honestly, my thoughts on any loop ramp that dumps onto a 60-70 mph highway with only 2-lanes in one direction as it climbs uphill to make an overpass.

They should be avoided at all costs possible, or at least provide a barrier separated acceleration lane over the bridge before meeting the mainline lanes. but sadly they're still built quite frequently.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #442 on: November 03, 2019, 11:17:41 PM »

When I was in Plainwell yesterday, I saw WB M-43 being referenced on a junction sign and a standalone BGS at the SB 131 ramp in both directions.  M-43 has not made it to the overhead BGS signs or referenced on the exit sign on SB 131 north of the exit.  I do not know about NB 131 signs at the exit.
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Re: Michigan Notes
« Reply #443 on: November 04, 2019, 08:11:06 PM »

If a Toledo-to-Jackson freeway/expressway is ever built, that section of US-127 might attract enough regional traffic to warrant the flyover. But as it sits now, it just doesn't. It's part of the reason this interchange has remained in this configuration as long as it has.
If the full freeway to Toledo is ever constructed, the entire overlap with I-94 would need an overhaul and reconstruction / widening to 6-lanes, and a massive overhaul of the junction in question. The eastern one as it is seems adequate as it's fully freeway-to-freeway.

Besides the decrepit I-94 overpasses, what this does is not force traffic into a tight 270º loop, then ask it to accelerate from 25 -> 70 and merge in a very short distance. It's merely terrible for cars; it's horrible for heavy trucks.
Honestly, my thoughts on any loop ramp that dumps onto a 60-70 mph highway with only 2-lanes in one direction as it climbs uphill to make an overpass.

They should be avoided at all costs possible, or at least provide a barrier separated acceleration lane over the bridge before meeting the mainline lanes. but sadly they're still built quite frequently.

Part of the I-94 reconstruction in Jackson includes 6-laning between US-127 North and US-127 South, supposedly to be completed by 2021. That's been needed for 40 years, and they're finally getting it. It should've been extended from M-60 to Sargent Rd, but at least the most critical stretch is getting attention.

Keep in mind that the current arrangement opened to traffic in 1951 as a US-12 bypass of Jackson. Truman was president when this thing was designed, and the basic design is unchanged from that early '50s vintage roadway. Nobody foresaw in 1951 that their brand-new US-12 bypass would still be in its basic configuration 70 years later, or that over 10,000 semi trucks per day would be mixing it up with 50,000+ other vehicles on it.
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