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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #75 on: December 08, 2017, 06:42:16 PM »

NCDOT has awarded the contract to build the southernmost section of the Loop from Camden Rd to I-95. The project to start in January will cost $130 million and should be complete by July 2021. The entire Loop is to be completed by 2022:
https://apps.ncdot.gov/newsreleases/details.aspx?r=14661
So: this is the southernmost section, but not the last section. The section just to the north, between Camden Road and US 401, remains to be bid next year.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #76 on: December 19, 2017, 08:49:24 AM »

Man, the Fayetteville Loop seems to go on bid fast, just like Loop in Greensboro.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #77 on: September 13, 2018, 09:35:48 PM »

Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2018, 04:54:35 PM »

Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html

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This section of roadway has been built to interstate standards and is currently open to traffic.

The substandard bridges over the Cape Fear River and Carvers Creek beg to differ and Iím pretty sure the jury is still out on the US-13 interchange.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #79 on: September 14, 2018, 05:51:16 PM »

Are there any plans to build a free-flow ramp between Interstate 95 NB and Interstate 295 SB? Or is the existing ramp adequate for present and future connections?
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #80 on: September 14, 2018, 06:30:03 PM »

Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html

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This section of roadway has been built to interstate standards and is currently open to traffic.

The substandard bridges over the Cape Fear River and Carvers Creek beg to differ and Iím pretty sure the jury is still out on the US-13 interchange.
The application makes no mention of the substandard bridge or interchange. The form lists no deficiencies with either Section G, which includes the bridge, or H, which covers the interchange. Besides saying the route is up to interstate standards, they state that its a full control of access facility (does this definition include stop signs or the need to make a u-turn on US 13 North to get to NC 295 South?). At least they did put the request into a single space paragraph format this time.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2018, 01:18:45 AM »

Well North Carolina is asking AASHTO to allow the Interstate 295 designation for the Fayetteville Outer Loop.  Wait, wasn't this already approved like 13 years ago?

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html

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This section of roadway has been built to interstate standards and is currently open to traffic.

The substandard bridges over the Cape Fear River and Carvers Creek beg to differ and Iím pretty sure the jury is still out on the US-13 interchange.
The application makes no mention of the substandard bridge or interchange. The form lists no deficiencies with either Section G, which includes the bridge, or H, which covers the interchange. Besides saying the route is up to interstate standards, they state that its a full control of access facility (does this definition include traffic lights or the need to make a u-turn on US 13 North to get to NC 295 South?). At least they did put the request into a single space paragraph format this time.

In other words, theyíre BS-ing AASHTO...
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2018, 02:20:17 AM »

In other words, theyíre BS-ing AASHTO...

Hardly the first time they've tried to get away with bullshit regarding this route; the posting of ersatz I-295 shields (short-lived as they were) a few years ago was the first shot across the bow regarding this facility.  Somehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny; NCDOT will have to at least have plans for an appropriate connection on record before signage at that location occurs -- unless they pull some sleight-of-hand and put something like "TO I-295" on the BGS approaches.  If anyone has access to signage plans for this interchange, it would be enlightening to see just what's going down here!
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #83 on: September 15, 2018, 07:15:26 AM »

Somehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges wonít escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. Iíll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

Iím also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still canít figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given itís thumbs up. NCDOT didnít do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2018, 12:14:03 PM »

At least they did put the request into a single space paragraph format this time.

Yes, and that is what is most important.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2018, 02:12:01 PM »

Wouldn't be surprised if NC ends up completing Fayetteville Outer Loop to its southern terminus before they address the substandard bridges and northern terminus. NCDOT probably sent the request thinking AASHTO wouldn't care, but I think they'll find they were mistaken.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #86 on: September 15, 2018, 05:51:13 PM »

Wouldn't be surprised if NC ends up completing Fayetteville Outer Loop to its southern terminus before they address the substandard bridges and northern terminus. NCDOT probably sent the request thinking AASHTO wouldn't care, but I think they'll find they were mistaken.

Guys, AASHTO has no determination and is not and arbiter of Interstate Standards.  That is the Federal Highway Administration's role and responsibility.

If anything, AASHTO will Conditionally Approve pending FHWA approval.  NCDOT's application does NOT include the 2003 letter from the FHWA - so AASHTO could fall on that but as for Interstate standards, they are going to defer to the FHWA.

Edit to add actual language from the US Code (Source: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=eae973efc51d208648a64d2bf8513117&rgn=div5&view=text&node=23:1.0.1.5.13&idno=23#se23.1.470_1111)

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ß470.111   Interstate System procedures.

(a) Proposals for system actions on the Interstate System shall include a route description and a statement of justification. Proposals shall also include statements regarding coordination with adjoining States on State-line connections, with responsible local officials, and with officials of areas under Federal jurisdiction.

(b) Proposals for Interstate or future Interstate designation under 23 U.S.C. 103(c)(4)(A) or (B), as logical additions or connections, shall consider the criteria contained in appendix A of this subpart. For designation as a part of the Interstate system, 23 U.S.C. 103(c)(4)(A) requires that a highway meet all the standards of a highway on the Interstate System, be a logical addition or connection to the Interstate System, and have the affirmative recommendation of the State or States involved. For designation as a future part of the Interstate System, 23 U.S.C. 103(c)(4)(B) requires that a highway be a logical addition or connection to the Interstate System, have the affirmative recommendation of the State or States involved, and have the written agreement of the State or States involved that such highway will be constructed to meet all the standards of a highway on the Interstate System within twenty-five years of the date of the agreement between the FHWA Administrator and the State or States involved. Such highways must also be on the National Highway System.

(c) Routes proposed for Interstate designation under section 332(a)(2) of the NHS Designation Act of 1995 (NHS Act) shall be constructed to Interstate standards and connect to the Interstate System. Proposals shall consider the criteria contained in appendix B of this subpart.

(d) Proposals for Interstate route numbering shall be submitted by the State transportation agency to the Route Numbering Committee of the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #87 on: September 19, 2018, 10:19:02 PM »

Wouldn't be surprised if NC ends up completing Fayetteville Outer Loop to its southern terminus before they address the substandard bridges and northern terminus. NCDOT probably sent the request thinking AASHTO wouldn't care, but I think they'll find they were mistaken.

Guys, AASHTO has no determination and is not and arbiter of Interstate Standards.  That is the Federal Highway Administration's role and responsibility.

If anything, AASHTO will Conditionally Approve pending FHWA approval.  NCDOT's application does NOT include the 2003 letter from the FHWA - so AASHTO could fall on that but as for Interstate standards, they are going to defer to the FHWA.
My bad I get AASHTO and the FHWA mixed up sometimes.

http://surewhynotnow.blogspot.com/2018/09/north-carolina-to-petition-aashto-for.html
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So then why did they take the Interstate 295 signs down in the first place?  If the thought was because the highway didn't meet Interstate standards was correct, then why would have the FHWA approved the highway in 2003?  They must have agreed it was up to standard, right?

Anyone know the answer to this?   
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #88 on: October 04, 2018, 01:28:38 PM »

Somehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges wonít escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. Iíll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

Iím also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still canít figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given itís thumbs up. NCDOT didnít do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.

AASHTO Approved no questions asked.

https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/10/018_Report-to-CHS_USRN-Application-Results-AM-2018.pdf
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #89 on: October 04, 2018, 01:34:42 PM »

AASHTO approves the route number.  It's still FHWA's call.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #90 on: October 04, 2018, 04:07:37 PM »

AASHTO approves the route number.  It's still FHWA's call.

The details of the November 20, 2003 letter would solve that question.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #91 on: October 05, 2018, 10:10:04 AM »

Somehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges wonít escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. Iíll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

Iím also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still canít figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given itís thumbs up. NCDOT didnít do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.

AASHTO Approved no questions asked.

https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/10/018_Report-to-CHS_USRN-Application-Results-AM-2018.pdf
So they approved 295, but not 285?
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2018, 10:13:49 AM »


So they approved 295, but not 285?

They approved 285 a while back, just waitin for sign plans.
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Re: Interstate 295- Fayetteville, NC
« Reply #93 on: October 06, 2018, 11:39:45 PM »

Somehow, I don't think the substandard I-95/future I-295/US 13 interchange will escape scrutiny

Those bridges wonít escape it either, given how anal AASHTO and FHWA are about standards these days. Iíll be stunned if AASHTO goes along with this.

Iím also in agreement with Adam. I thought I-295 was a done deal years ago and that all NCDOT had to do was upgrade the substandard bridges and rebuild the I-95/US-13 interchange and let FHWA know then BAM! I-295 shields could then be posted.

Hell, I still canít figure out why NCDOT went through AASHTO earlier this year to get I-285 for US-52 between Winston-Salem and Lexington right after FHWA had given itís thumbs up. NCDOT didnít do that for I-87 on the Knightdale Bypass.

AASHTO Approved no questions asked.

https://route.transportation.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/50/2018/10/018_Report-to-CHS_USRN-Application-Results-AM-2018.pdf
So they approved 295, but not 285?


I-285 will be signed by the end of this year.
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