HAWK at a fire station

[roadfro]

So I deleted the stop sign on the left, but rather than use "STOP" on the sign twice, in two different contexts, I used "do not proceed".

I also changed the signal display on the right to reflect that the top orbs could display either red or nothing.

You should use black on yellow (or black on FYG) warning sign colors on the pedestrian symbol, since the white on black colors used here are only ever officially used on signs attached to pedestrian crosswalk call buttons. That, and the crosswalk lines associated with the pedestrian symbol (originally shown on "ped X-ing here"  signs) were eliminated in prior edition of the MUTCD (2003 or Millennium edition).

I designed a sign, my first sign I've designed, thoughts?
Crosswalk HAWK sign by Petru Sofio, on Flickr

It doesn't work. Since each vehicle is supposed to come to a complete stop before proceeding (if clear). Showing both a stop sign and a yield sign in the message can cause some confusion–especially since each vehicle must come to a complete stop on flashing red, and there is technically no yielding in that phase.

[jakeroot]

So I deleted the stop sign on the left, but rather than use "STOP" on the sign twice, in two different contexts, I used "do not proceed".

I also changed the signal display on the right to reflect that the top orbs could display either red or nothing.

https://i.imgur.com/y0aTnZ5.png

You should use black on yellow (or black on FYG) warning sign colors on the pedestrian symbol, since the white on black colors used here are only ever officially used on signs attached to pedestrian crosswalk call buttons. That, and the crosswalk lines associated with the pedestrian symbol (originally shown on "ped X-ing here"  signs) were eliminated in prior edition of the MUTCD (2003 or Millennium edition).

Gotcha. I was emulating the HAWK regulatory sign in the image I posted on the last page, which featured a white-on-black "CROSSWALK" message, but I think the standard colors (and no lines) would be better understood in retrospect.

[Amtrakprod]

I designed a sign, my first sign I've designed, thoughts?
Crosswalk HAWK sign by Petru Sofio, on Flickr

It doesn't work. Since each vehicle is supposed to come to a complete stop before proceeding (if clear). Showing both a stop sign and a yield sign in the message can cause some confusion–especially since each vehicle must come to a complete stop on flashing red, and there is technically no yielding in that phase.
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I see how that could be confusing, I may change the Yield to words

[jakeroot]

I see how that could be confusing, I may change the Yield to words

It may not necessarily be the difference between symbols and words. Try for something that doesn't have drivers read-out "stop then yield".

[Amtrakprod]

I see how that could be confusing, I may change the Yield to words

It may not necessarily be the difference between symbols and words. Try for something that doesn't have drivers read-out "stop then yield".

Stop, then proceed with caution?

[Tonytone]

I see how that could be confusing, I may change the Yield to words

It may not necessarily be the difference between symbols and words. Try for something that doesn't have drivers read-out "stop then yield".

Stop, then proceed with caution?

What program do we use to create signs & etc?


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[Amtrakprod]

I see how that could be confusing, I may change the Yield to words

It may not necessarily be the difference between symbols and words. Try for something that doesn't have drivers read-out "stop then yield".

Stop, then proceed with caution?

What program do we use to create signs & etc?


iPhone

I used Canvas, but I'm looking for a better one. I found another sign that may work: http://www.ci.neenah.wi.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/PHB-Flashing-Red-Sign.jpg

[jakeroot]

Taking another stab. Tried to not use any words (except for those on the symbols). Not sure which is better (or least worst haha). Also adjusted colors:

[Tonytone]

@ Jake, did you see my comment about the left turn yield?


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[jakeroot]

@ Jake, did you see my comment about the left turn yield?

On the 'Custom Signs' thread? Yes, I just didn't respond.

[Tonytone]

@ Jake, did you see my comment about the left turn yield?

On the 'Custom Signs' thread? Yes, I just didn't respond.

Kopy that.


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[Tonytone]

Taking another stab. Tried to not use any words (except for those on the symbols). Not sure which is better (or least worst haha). Also adjusted colors:

Why not just a new type of sign for the hawk. A traffic light [emoji613]pic, so people know to treat it like a light


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[jakeroot]

Why not just a new type of sign for the hawk. A traffic light [emoji613]pic, so people know to treat it like a light

A new type of sign is kind of what I'm trying to achieve. But you don't want drivers to treat it like a regular signal. Regular signals are four-way stops when dark. These are not. Technically they are beacons.

[Tonytone]

Why not just a new type of sign for the hawk. A traffic light [emoji613]pic, so people know to treat it like a light

A new type of sign is kind of what I'm trying to achieve. But you don't want drivers to treat it like a regular signal. Regular signals are four-way stops when dark. These are not. Technically they are beacons.

Bang I got it, use the hawk signal image & have the yellow orb & the red half orbs & under that "pedestrian signal"  stop when solid yield after flash.


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[kphoger]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

[Amtrakprod]

Made another sign, this sign may be temporary. Crosswalk (1) by Petru Sofio, on Flickr

[hotdogPi]

Made another sign, this sign may be temporary. Crosswalk (1) by Petru Sofio, on Flickr

You expect someone to read all of that while driving?

[jakeroot]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

One thing that might work, to improve driver education (which is undoubtedly an issue), might be to install an electronic sign that would light up with "PROCEED AFTER STOP" during the flashing red phase.

[Amtrakprod]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

One thing that might work, to improve driver education (which is undoubtedly an issue), might be to install an electronic sign that would light up with "PROCEED AFTER STOP" during the flashing red phase.

A blank out sign is a very good idea, it would read: slow down, prepare to stop, stop, stop then proceed if clear

[MNHighwayMan]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

To stop using HAWK signals.

[jakeroot]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

To stop using HAWK signals.

HAWKs still allow you to move off after the initial stop, so there's a flow advantage. Just wish there was something more intuitive.

[hotdogPi]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

To stop using HAWK signals.

HAWKs still allow you to move off after the initial stop, so there's a flow advantage. Just wish there was something more intuitive.

Standard flashing red after the solid red, on a regular RYG signal.

[jakeroot]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

To stop using HAWK signals.

HAWKs still allow you to move off after the initial stop, so there's a flow advantage. Just wish there was something more intuitive.

Standard flashing red after the solid red, on a regular RYG signal.

Exactly. No idea if any city has tried this yet, but it's basically a HAWK with a more familiar layout.

We could always go full-Pelican; green>yellow>red>flashing yellow>green. Flashing yellow is already used to warn drivers of marked crossings. A flashing green could improve such a setup.

[Amtrakprod]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

To stop using HAWK signals.

HAWKs still allow you to move off after the initial stop, so there's a flow advantage. Just wish there was something more intuitive.

Standard flashing red after the solid red, on a regular RYG signal.

Exactly. No idea if any city has tried this yet, but it's basically a HAWK with a more familiar layout.

We could always go full-Pelican; green>yellow>red>flashing yellow>green. Flashing yellow is already used to warn drivers of marked crossings. A flashing green could improve such a setup.

I'm not one for the pelican way, I think the flashing yellow California video in the other section would be good.

[kphoger]

I'm starting to think the best option might be no sign at all.  I don't think any of these latest signs really make anything clearer than the lights themselves.

I actually agree. But drivers definitely don't understand the different phases of the HAWK. Something is necessary.

To stop using HAWK signals.

HAWKs still allow you to move off after the initial stop, so there's a flow advantage. Just wish there was something more intuitive.

Standard flashing red after the solid red, on a regular RYG signal.

I don't believe that there's any advantage to driver comprehension by using a standard signal instead of a HAWK signal if the actual indications remain the same.  A solid red is still a solid red, a flashing red is still a flashing red.  The only major difference is the dark phase, which I'm not convinced is a problem either.